People of Color, Innocent or Non Violent Who Were Killed By Police

Sunny said:
Aneeda, you can't dismiss every opinion that disagrees with yours by calling it "political." This is very far from a political discussion!

About the deaths of white people killed by police vs. the number of black people, this is a typical example of the misuse of statistics.

Let's say there is a small town with a population of 105. Of those people, 100 are white, 5 are black. The police shoot and kill 11 innocent people. Of those who were shot, 6 were white; 5 were black. Would you say that proves that more innocent white people are killed by police? Would you rather be an innocent white person living in that town, or an innocent black person?

The important thing is not the absolute numbers; it is the numbers relative to the population figures.
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EXACTLY Sunny!
 
Horrible things have been happening, but there's an additional point I think should be considered: the biases of news/information sources, especially since many people have one or two go-to sources and don't get the full picture.

Most recent example: a family member sent me the link to an article on a news site said to be one of the top news sites for Blacks. Part of the article stated all cops are bad, or at least those who aren't back up those who are.
It reminded me of a spot on a t.v. network 'for African-Americans' where a young woman remarked every time she sent her kid to school she 'worried about what might happen to him if he encountered a police officer.' The kid she was referring to was around 5 years old!
With these types of 'information,' is it surprising hate and fear of police seems to be increasing?
Yet, regardless of the topic, I've seen on other forums individuals who refuse to read anything that isn't already 100% compatible with their own viewpoints. Some remark they won't read articles on a site because the site is either 'conservative' or 'liberal'- whichever they aren't.
It's one thing to read facts about incidents, it's altogether different to base one's conclusions on what any one individual has said.
 

JaniceM said:
Horrible things have been happening, but there's an additional point I think should be considered: the biases of news/information sources, especially since many people have one or two go-to sources and don't get the full picture.

Most recent example: a family member sent me the link to an article on a news site said to be one of the top news sites for Blacks. Part of the article stated all cops are bad, or at least those who aren't back up those who are.
It reminded me of a spot on a t.v. network 'for African-Americans' where a young woman remarked every time she sent her kid to school she 'worried about what might happen to him if he encountered a police officer.' The kid she was referring to was around 5 years old!
With these types of 'information,' is it surprising hate and fear of police seems to be increasing?
Yet, regardless of the topic, I've seen on other forums individuals who refuse to read anything that isn't already 100% compatible with their own viewpoints. Some remark they won't read articles on a site because the site is either 'conservative' or 'liberal'- whichever they aren't.
It's one thing to read facts about incidents, it's altogether different to base one's conclusions on what any one individual has said.
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Janice I agree with you but I will say I know what that 5 year old's mother is feeling. I felt it for my son when he was just 3 after I read about those minor children I mentioned in the OP and I have worried about him ever since. Ofttimes we are not just reacting to news stories but things that have happened within our own communities that don't make national news. I have four male grandchildren, three of whom were very tall for their ages and a host of male step-children and step grandchildren. I'm going to post a story about what my son encountered as a Black male that blessedly didn't lead to any altercation but the profiling was so blatant. It will be posted as an answer to the Is This Country Racist (sic) thread.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
"Funny" you should say that since you brought up other issues that were not the subject of this thread!
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Well if you want to discuss it here, I’m willing, let me know. Since you already objected to what I said I didn’t want to intrude further, but I am a chatty person. So it’s fine with me.
 
My daughter was stopped by a county sheriff‘s deputy when she was on the way to school. She was 14. He stopped her because she was wearing a necklace with Jesus on the cross. He told her to take it off, she refused.

He told her he would call her mother, tell her she was wearing the necklace, and get her in trouble. She replied go ahead. You see, prejudice comes in all forms. I lived in an LDS community, my daughter was stopped for being Catholic.
 
Keesha said:
Have never been in trouble with the police but you keep shining your halo there. Btw.... I have no problems with police officers who do their job. Just the ones who take the law into their own hands and murder people.
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Again with the asinine comment.
 
JaniceM said:
Horrible things have been happening, but there's an additional point I think should be considered: the biases of news/information sources, especially since many people have one or two go-to sources and don't get the full picture.

Most recent example: a family member sent me the link to an article on a news site said to be one of the top news sites for Blacks. Part of the article stated all cops are bad, or at least those who aren't back up those who are.
It reminded me of a spot on a t.v. network 'for African-Americans' where a young woman remarked every time she sent her kid to school she 'worried about what might happen to him if he encountered a police officer.' The kid she was referring to was around 5 years old!
With these types of 'information,' is it surprising hate and fear of police seems to be increasing?
Yet, regardless of the topic, I've seen on other forums individuals who refuse to read anything that isn't already 100% compatible with their own viewpoints. Some remark they won't read articles on a site because the site is either 'conservative' or 'liberal'- whichever they aren't.
It's one thing to read facts about incidents, it's altogether different to base one's conclusions on what any one individual has said.
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The article was half right.
Not all cops are bad.
Those who aren't bad WILL back up those who are. That's the main problem - and that's why police brutality keeps happening. The "Brotherhood," the "Code of Silence" and the "Testilying" includes ALL cops - good and bad.
The cops who remain silent or lie are just as guilty.

I'm sure not all Catholic Priests are child molesters. But the ones who aren't will typically support & conceal the ones who are; with the same result.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well if you want to discuss it here, I’m willing, let me know. Since you already objected to what I said I didn’t want to intrude further, but I am a chatty person. So it’s fine with me.
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I already mentioned that you could add to this post. What more do you want?! Or didn't you read that particular reply? In case you missed it: "I am posting about the cases I know and remember. You are welcome to post your own thread about Caucasians who have met the same fate OR you can choose to list them in this thread. I have not placed handcuffs on you....so stop complaining (yet again!) about what I've posted and do your thing." That "do you thing" was your cue to post what you wish about the subject matter you choose.

What that cop did to your daughter seems to be a case of religious, not racial profiling. He should have been fired too...or at the very least strongly reprimanded. People like that have no business being on the police force.
 
Aneeda72 said:
My daughter was stopped by a county sheriff‘s deputy when she was on the way to school. She was 14. He stopped her because she was wearing a necklace with Jesus on the cross. He told her to take it off, she refused.

He told her he would call her mother, tell her she was wearing the necklace, and get her in trouble. She replied go ahead. You see, prejudice comes in all forms. I lived in an LDS community, my daughter was stopped for being Catholic.
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Really, really irrelevant to this discussion, Aneeda. Pointing out what some ignorant sheriff's deputy said about your daughter's religion, doing her no harm other than annoying her, is about as far-fetched to the police murdering innocent Blacks as you can get. You might as well say some mean teacher made an insulting remark to your daughter about what she was wearing, and using that as an example of the persecution of Whites.

Why do so many people seem to be unable to face a horrific miscarriage of justice, and a persecution of a whole group of people because of their race, without endlessly slipping and sliding, trying to change the subject?
 
I wonder sometimes, when I read here ..... just how many responders have a criminal background ? Or how many have criminals in their respective families ? There seems to be a strong element that are supportive of criminals. And carry a hatred of police.
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There we go, rgp. Mud-slinging, making totally unfounded accusations, basically name-calling. This is what some of those in power like to do when they have no other arguments to fall back on. "You don't think that in a free society, the police should be running around killing people for absolutely no reason? That proves that you and your relatives are a bunch of criminals! There is no other reason for being against that."

Yup, you got us, rgp. My grandfather was Vito Corleone, and my father was his chief consigilere. (Or however you spell it.)

https://tinyurl.com/y8on6z98
 
win231 said:
The article was half right.
Not all cops are bad.
Those who aren't bad WILL back up those who are. That's the main problem - and that's why police brutality keeps happening. The "Brotherhood," the "Code of Silence" and the "Testilying" includes ALL cops - good and bad.
The cops who remain silent or lie are just as guilty.

I'm sure not all Catholic Priests are child molesters. But the ones who aren't will typically support & conceal the ones who are; with the same result.
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You hit the nail right on the head Win in both examples. There's the Blue Code that causes the good cops to remain silent. Not only do they feel they'd lose their jobs if they spoke out...they don't want to be considered snitches and have the other cops shun them. I'm sure we've all heard the extent to which the Catholic church has gone to in order to protect pedophile priests. Police officers and priests....two of the groups we should be able to trust most besides our parents. :(
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I already mentioned that you could add to this post. What more do you want?! Or didn't you read that particular reply? In case you missed it: "I am posting about the cases I know and remember. You are welcome to post your own thread about Caucasians who have met the same fate OR you can choose to list them in this thread. I have not placed handcuffs on you....so stop complaining (yet again!) about what I've posted and do your thing." That "do you thing" was your cue to post what you wish about the subject matter you choose.

What that cop did to your daughter seems to be a case of religious, not racial profiling. He should have been fired too...or at the very least strongly reprimanded. People like that have no business being on the police force.
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In my daughters case, the officer thought she was LDS and wearing the cross was a rebellious act against the LDS faith. Thus, he was going to tell her mother. 😂. She was, and is, catholic. I, of course, bought her the necklace.

In the group homes here, residents are taken to the LDS church, and LDS home teachers come to the group homes. Residents of other faiths are not taken to their church or welcomed into the group homes.

LDS teaching facilities are next to all the high schools and most junior highs, side by side, in fact, and the faithful are allowed time off during school hours to attend.

Yes, religious not racial. The separate but equal policy still alive and well. Reminds me of black vs white prejudicial situations, as prejudice is prejudice. Certain employers will not hire people of non LDS faith, especially church owned business.

It has gotten better over the years. In the early years, the church had access to state tax records and would come to your home, every month, to collect their 10 percent, based on those records. People with black skin were not allowed to join the LDS church until 1980 or so. Can’t remember exactly when they were accepted in. Course once in, you can not get out. 😂

Yet, no protests, no riots, no civil disobedience. Non LDS people just got/get on with their lives.

As for the black community, I know of no other group in which protests, riots, and civil disobedience occur in such great numbers in order to obtain empty promises and lip service from people who just want the issue, and the people, to go away. You can not regulate people’s feelings.

I could be wrong. I believe there will be reprisals in the future and race relations will worsen considerably. The black community, over time, will find they have lost a great deal, IMO. Time will tell. But is incredibly sad, no matter what the result.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
You hit the nail right on the head Win in both examples. There's the Blue Code that causes the good cops to remain silent. Not only do they feel they'd lose their jobs if they spoke out...they don't want to be considered snitches and have the other cops shun them. I'm sure we've all heard the extent to which the Catholic church has gone to in order to protect pedophile priests. Police officers and priests....two of the groups we should be able to trust most besides our parents. :(
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Locally, they're taught and instructed to speak up when they see or know another officer has done wrong.
 
JaniceM said:
Locally, they're taught and instructed to speak up when they see or know another officer has done wrong.
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I believe in the blue code. Officers must be sure their backs or covered and needing this support leads to abuses of power by the “bad” officers. So while they might me taught to speak up, I doubt they would.
 
Here's another one my friend sent me that I wasn't aware of.
Cpl. Roman Ducksworth Jr., a military police officer stationed in Maryland, was on leave to visit his sick wife when he was ordered off a bus by a police officer and shot dead. The police officer may have mistaken Ducksworth for a “freedom rider” who was testing bus desegregation laws.
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OneEyedDiva said:
Here's another one my friend sent me that I wasn't aware of.
Cpl. Roman Ducksworth Jr., a military police officer stationed in Maryland, was on leave to visit his sick wife when he was ordered off a bus by a police officer and shot dead. The police officer may have mistaken Ducksworth for a “freedom rider” who was testing bus desegregation laws.
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Even so, to be shot dead for being a "freedom rider" is going beyond the pale.
 
Pinky said:
Even so, to be shot dead for being a "freedom rider" is going beyond the pale.
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"Murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner - Wikipedia
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The murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner, also known as the Freedom Summer ... The civil rights workers' burnt-out car was found near a swamp three days after their disappearance. ... to any outsider about it, then the rest of us are going to kill him just as dead as we killed those threesonofbitches [sic] tonight.
Perpetrators‎: ‎Cecil Price‎ (‎convicted‎); ‎Samuel ...
Date‎: ‎June 21, 1964; 55 years ago
Location‎: ‎Neshoba County, Mississippi
Victims‎: ‎James Chaney‎; ‎Andrew Goodman‎; ‎Mi...
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When one hates the idea of black people being equal to whites So Much, murder is always an option.
 

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