Doctors press conference video you may have not seen yet.

Which is why I pay no attention to Dr. Fauci at all. All doctors regardless of their specialty have been engaged in treating this COVID-19. Every nation affected put out a call to their physicians to come forth and help in ICUs and ERs when it became a pandemic. Too many people were not as healthy as thought and some died from complications. One of my doctor's was not available until recently as he was busy trying to keep patients alive who were on respirators. I am certain the doctors who spoke today were all up to speed on this virus. There will be pros and cons and arguing about it solve nothing.
 

You know...I just wish....just once...we could get news reports that actually stated the same things so we weren't constantly left to wonder what's truth & what's not. They are so flip floppy on every single piece of information about this that I no longer know what to believe.
 
You know...I just wish....just once...we could get news reports that actually stated the same things so we weren't constantly left to wonder what's truth & what's not. They are so flip floppy on every single piece of information about this that I no longer know what to believe.
Well, isn't that the case with just about anything? Studies have shown:

"Coffee causes bladder cancer." "Coffee prevents bladder cancer." "Coffee is very high in antioxidants - even more than fruits & vegetables."

"Saturated fat in meat & dairy causes heart attacks & high blood pressure." "Saturated fat has nothing to do with heart disease; the problem is sugar."

"Eggs are high in cholesterol & should be avoided." "Eggs are a good source of protein & Zinc. Eat no more than 4 eggs a week."

"Milk does a body good." "Milk causes prostate cancer & diabetes." "Milk is only healthy for baby cows."

"Drinking even small amounts of alcohol increases your risk of liver cancer." "Red wine is a natural blood thinner & decreases your blood pressure."

"Olive oil is bad for you because it's 100% fat." "The healthy fat in olive oil, nuts & avocado clears arteries."
 

This was presented to the public for information by professional physicians, nothing more. The hysteria of FB, Twitter, et al in censoring same is blatantly wrong. If I choose on my personal account to share this information, FB has no right to remove it. Simply because they disagree with its veracity does not make their findings correct either. Leave it up to the public receiving this information to decide and take it from there.

What makes you so sure they are "professional physicians," Lewkat? They look and sound pretty dubious to me, more like political operatives.
 
You know...I just wish....just once...we could get news reports that actually stated the same things so we weren't constantly left to wonder what's truth & what's not. They are so flip floppy on every single piece of information about this that I no longer know what to believe.

I know the feeling, Marci. We seem to thrive on controversy.

My take on it is that there are always those who are eager to jump in and believe any crackpot idea that comes down the pike, especially if it supports their political or philosophical take on life. This is true of pretty much anything, but it becomes much more dangerous when we are dealing with a horrific virus, killing people in the hundreds of thousands.

"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Who cares, really? The atheists are annoyed by it, because it violates the separation of church and state. Remove it from the Pledge? The religious right is annoyed by that idea. But the consequences of including/ not including those two words are pretty minor (although the principle remains an important one) and nobody really cares enough to go to war over it.

That's just an example. We can probably come up with hundreds of other controversies that nobody really cares that much about.

But messing with the economy? The loonies come out of the woodwork. And that's what this is all about. "It's the economy, stupid."
 
Well, isn't that the case with just about anything? Studies have shown:

"Coffee causes bladder cancer." "Coffee prevents bladder cancer." "Coffee is very high in antioxidants - even more than fruits & vegetables."

"Saturated fat in meat & dairy causes heart attacks & high blood pressure." "Saturated fat has nothing to do with heart disease; the problem is sugar."

"Eggs are high in cholesterol & should be avoided." "Eggs are a good source of protein & Zinc. Eat no more than 4 eggs a week."

"Milk does a body good." "Milk causes prostate cancer & diabetes." "Milk is only healthy for baby cows."

"Drinking even small amounts of alcohol increases your risk of liver cancer." "Red wine is a natural blood thinner & decreases your blood pressure."

"Olive oil is bad for you because it's 100% fat." "The healthy fat in olive oil, nuts & avocado clears arteries."
Yup. It's a PITA. And after 54 yrs I'm sick of it. I'm just gonna eat. Screw it. LOL
 
I want the truth. and our government and press can't seem to give us that. everything is political, everyone has their own agenda. when they are censoring doctors that they don't agree with that is sad. it's not the America I grew up in. We use to be able to disagree with people and still be friends and have conversations. not anymore I guess.
 
Well, isn't that the case with just about anything? Studies have shown:

"Coffee causes bladder cancer." "Coffee prevents bladder cancer." "Coffee is very high in antioxidants - even more than fruits & vegetables."

"Saturated fat in meat & dairy causes heart attacks & high blood pressure." "Saturated fat has nothing to do with heart disease; the problem is sugar."

"Eggs are high in cholesterol & should be avoided." "Eggs are a good source of protein & Zinc. Eat no more than 4 eggs a week."

"Milk does a body good." "Milk causes prostate cancer & diabetes." "Milk is only healthy for baby cows."

"Drinking even small amounts of alcohol increases your risk of liver cancer." "Red wine is a natural blood thinner & decreases your blood pressure."

"Olive oil is bad for you because it's 100% fat." "The healthy fat in olive oil, nuts & avocado clears arteries."

"Milk does a body good." is a marketing slogan that has nothing to do with a scientific study.

Some of your statements like the one about alcohol and wine are not contradictory and both can be true. You can increase your chances of getting liver cancer by drinking wine, but at the same time it can be a natural blood thinner and decrease your blood pressure.

I'm not bothered by contradictory scientific studies because it's often the case that an earlier study is redone with greater precision or using newer information and/or techniques to get more or better information than previous studies. One rarely sees a ping ponging of scientific results, they often go from what we believed to what we know now.

What often happens with studies about the way the body works is that scientists will first observe a pattern about people who behave a certain way and how that affects their health. Then subsequent studies and research will try to determine what causes that to happen. In some of those studies we learn something new about the way the body works and it will either contradict the original study or uncover something else that was causing the result.
 
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What makes you so sure they are "professional physicians," Lewkat? They look and sound pretty dubious to me, more like political operatives.
Except that there was not one word referring to politics ( no critical comments about one side of the aisle or the other)in their presentation.
And should anyone be interested in doing anything but blindly assuming the worst about these people, it's easy enough to check their professional credentials via the internet. State's medical board licensure is public information.
 
I've seen it, I've thought about it, looks goofy and sounds like BS. Been hearing that Cure Lady also thinks alien DNA and demon sperm are the bane of mankind too. But censoring that crap isn't helping anything either. There's a lot of weirdo stuff on YouTube. One more, so what?
 
As Pat Moynihan said, we are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

Censored because they are expressing THEIR OWN OPINION and presenting it in a public forum as fact with no actual facts to substantiate their beliefs.

The only actual FACTS known so far are (1) it is extremely easy to catch (2) it is deadlier than most strains of the flu (3) it is fickle/capricious in nature. Beyond that, all is opinion.
 
Standards which are selectively enforced to censor anything they deem "unacceptable", ie, anything that doesn't fall in lockstep with the official far left or "liberal" narrative. It's appalling, and utterly hypocritical what these sites do allow to stand if it furthers that narrative.

I wasn't born yesterday, I understand the rights of private entities to conduct business as they choose. When those entities are in the business of communicating and disseminating exchange of information, ideas, or opinions, and even healthy debate of such by diverse individuals who use these entities as their platform, one might wonder at their "corporate decisions" to exclude a particular group of individuals solely because their contributions don't agree with what the masses are "supposed" to be thinking.

It's also all too apparent how pervasive the actions of those that would silence others who express ideas, concepts or opinions that don't jive with the approved narrative have become. It's hard NOT to speculate on the motives of those who engage in such vicious censorship.
Those whose goals are to control each and every avenue of communication, to squelch diverse ideas and information totally.

Oh, and Starsong, my response was not to your post, it was to MacGeek, who said he(?she) wanted to hear what these doctors had to say, and apparently was unable to do so thanks to the censorship of these sites. It matters not to me what you read or where you get your information, that's your choice. Though I will say the videos I was referring to could be found at locations other than on Breitbart, thanks to the interest of so many who also wanted to hear, and pass along what these docs had to say.
In a forum setting we are free to comment on all posts, not only the ones that are specifically directed to us.

As for certain platforms exercising censorship, if you don't like their policies, don't visit them. Pretty simple.

I don't go to Breitbart's website, but neither do I question its right to choose its content, nor do I disagree with Breitbart's right to have a presence on the internet.

Likewise, those who disagree with Facebook, YouTube & Twitter policies are free avoid them.
 
This is probably one of the most stupid threads that I have seen in a long time. Almost worse then the "gun arguments". The left/right wing bias is so over the top that it begs understanding by any semi-rational person.

Both sides of the argument are supporting opposing arguments that will kill or cure us, depending on your political views. Just follow other posts by the defenders and detractors and it's obviously a political argument, not a medical one. There's an election just over the horizon. Winning that election or trying to discredit the election itself is far more important to some, than the lives that are collateral damage in this political war.

The other day, someone confused the "brown shirts" and Nazis with socialism/communism. So much for sensible discussion.

Never seen anything that even resembles this political campaign under any president and/or political party in my lifetime which, in my case, only extends back to Roosevelt and WWII.
 
OK, after reading this in today's paper, I take back my question about being sure they are professional physicians. I was giving "professional physicians"
too much credit.

This is excerpted from a column by David von Drehle in today's Washington Post:

According to the Mayo Clinic, endometriosis is “an often painful disorder in which tissue similar to the tissue that normally lines the inside of [the] uterus — the endometrium — grows outside [the] uterus.”

Not so, says Stella Immanuel, a Houston pediatrician and spiritual leader of Fire Power Ministries, a pronouncedly non-orthodox church. Endometriosis and other potentially dangerous gynecological conditions are the residue of sexual intercourse with demons, Immanuel teaches. These demons, known as “spirit husbands” and “spirit wives” (you might prefer their pet names: Incubus and Succubus) once walked the Earth in physical form. After they drowned in Noah’s flood, however, they carried on only in non-corporeal form. They visit humans in sexy dreams, which aren’t dreams after all but spirit spouses making a booty call. The demons are responsible not only for diseases of the female reproductive system but also for male impotence, most financial troubles, marital discord and spiritual malaise.

This is not Immanuel’s only diversion from the medical mainstream. She also maintains that alien DNA is a component of some therapeutic drugs and that government scientists are developing a vaccine to prevent religious faith. You can find these and other teachings of hers on YouTube.

(Facebook finally took down her page.)

In response, Immanuel threatened to have Jesus unplug Facebook’s servers.
 
What makes you so sure they are "professional physicians," Lewkat? They look and sound pretty dubious to me, more like political operatives.

Uh, it is a medical summit meeting of DOCTORS. smh
By the way, there are screwballs on all sides of the spectrum. That does not negate the fact that there are doctors who are treating patients with Hydroxychloroquine and the results are promising.
 
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Uh, it is a medical summit meeting of DOCTORS. smh
By the way, there are screwballs on all sides of the spectrum. That does not negate the fact that there are doctors who are treating patients with Hydroxychloroquine and the results are promising.

Those positive results are according to the self reporting doctors. We don't know how stringent their testing is, how rigorous their diagnostic tests are, etc... I trust organizations dedicated to doing rigorous testing with tried and true methods not some doctors pulled together and funded by Tea Party related individuals and organizations.

This is not to say that anecdote results are completely useless. There were several studies started with Hydroxychloroquine at multiple organizations that were abandoned after not showing results that warranted completing the studies. Do you really believe doctors at these organizations would choose to abandon their studies if they thought that there was any promise. Show me just one doctor from one of those organizations who disagreed with stopping the study.

Not every clinician is well versed in running studies or doing research.
 
Why no masks on any of them? Sounds like they're generalizing everything they address as a 'no problem' attitude....wonder who put them up to these shennanigans, hmmmm....wait till the teachers start getting the virus from the kids, even if the kids dont infect other kids as much.....
and the doc who treated over 300 patients with the virus and none died cuz of taking that hydroxy-whatever it is, well maybe they're actually onto something that we were told didnt work, another hmmmm from me....
still watching the video here....
Saw on late nite tv the african doc has her own spiritual ministry and to date, has no data to back up those cured patients...
who to believe is an ongoing choice for many of us.....
I also went back to view the remainder of the video and it wouldn't open.....
 
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Those positive results are according to the self reporting doctors. We don't know how stringent their testing is, how rigorous their diagnostic tests are, etc... I trust organizations dedicated to doing rigorous testing with tried and true methods not some doctors pulled together and funded by Tea Party related individuals and organizations.

This is not to say that anecdote results are completely useless. There were several studies started with Hydroxychloroquine at multiple organizations that were abandoned after not showing results that warranted completing the studies. Do you really believe doctors at these organizations would choose to abandon their studies if they thought that there was any promise. Show me just one doctor from one of those organizations who disagreed with stopping the study.

Not every clinician is well versed in running studies or doing research.


They are all going to present themselves in a positive manner . Who are we [& or you] to know which of them are the more versed ? and or exactly what their background really is? Most everyone chooses to believe in this or that group / study , etc & so-on....because that is the group that supports our individual agenda. As someone else noted ... can we ever know who or what to believe ?

My own opinion, follow the money first .... and lately follow the party trying the hardest to push their political agenda.

Even in forums such as this. We are nothing more than black font on white background . Why would we/should we, believe anyone here ? any more than we would a random site link ? Again, opinion, follow your own heart & mind, choose what is best for you ..... from that.

Don't hang your hat too much on what the other guy is saying.
 
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They are all going to present themselves in a positive manner . Who are we [& or you] to know which of them are the more versed ? and or exactly what their background really is? Most everyone chooses to believe in this or that group / study , etc & so-on....because that is the group that supports our individual agenda. As someone else noted ... can we ever know who or what is correct ?

My own opinion, follow the money first .... and lately follow the party trying the hardest to push their political agenda.

Even in forums such as this. We are nothing more than black font on white background . Why would we/should we, believe anyone here ? any more than we would a random site link ? Again, opinion, follow your own heart & mind, choose what is best for you ..... from that.

Don't hang your hat too much on what the other guy is saying.

The WHO, the CDC and the NIH are all organizations that have existed for many years and have throughout the years have provided very reliable and accurate information regarding various diseases and health related situations. I can confidently say that they are well versed in dealing with such issues. They all have made mistakes in the past but they have worked through their established processes to correct mistakes they made earlier.

This group of doctors are all associated with a group that put up it's website in July of this year. They have no longevity and no history as an organization. It almost seems as if they were created to give an opposing point of view to that of established organizations that have been doing work in the area of disease and health for many years.

Yes through time and using established methods of inquiry and measurement we can know who and what was correct. But in absence of that I'll usually go to those groups with proven track records before giving too much thought about the results of a relatively new and unknown group.

If these doctors followed and took part in the peer reviewed study process they would have known making a viral video in front of the Supreme Court is not the path one goes through to be taking seriously by the existing scientific community.

If the group had provided a well written, data backed study of their results with an announcement that it had been submitted to one of the many respected peer review journals when they made their video available it would have added to the weight of their claims. As far as I know they didn't do that. I'm sure both the NY Times and PolitiFact would have reported that if that had been part of their presentation.
 
In a forum setting we are free to comment on all posts, not only the ones that are specifically directed to us.

As for certain platforms exercising censorship, if you don't like their policies, don't visit them. Pretty simple.

I don't go to Breitbart's website, but neither do I question its right to choose its content, nor do I disagree with Breitbart's right to have a presence on the internet.

Likewise, those who disagree with Facebook, YouTube & Twitter policies are free avoid them.

I assume forum policies/practices include being free to clarify to whom a particular post was intended as a reply, when another poster seemed to take some sort of issue with the contents of that post ( as in, "....I wasn't referring to THAT video" as *I* don't do Breitbart). I'm as aware of public forum policies/practices as most who post on them, so I assume that along with the freedom to respond ( within TOS, of course) to any comment on a forum, no matter to whom it was directed, the freedom also exists to inform another poster that I wasn't making reference to anything you have said, any assumptions you make in that regard are erroneous.
Of course, we're all free to read, or disregard any public media platform, and we all make our own choices. I don't do Facebook, Twitter use, when I can, other search engines besides Google and seldom visit You Tube. I'm glad you don't question the right of the platforms you don't agree with to choose their own content, there is that.
The issues as I see it are entirely about the efforts of those determined to silence the voices, ruin the lives of anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with their ideas, opinions and concepts.
 
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The WHO, the CDC and the NIH are all organizations that have existed for many years and have throughout the years have provided very reliable and accurate information regarding various diseases and health related situations. I can confidently say that they are well versed in dealing with such issues. They all have made mistakes in the past but they have worked through their established processes to correct mistakes they made earlier.

This group of doctors are all associated with a group that put up it's website in July of this year. They have no longevity and no history as an organization. It almost seems as if they were created to give an opposing point of view to that of established organizations that have been doing work in the area of disease and health for many years.

Yes through time and using established methods of inquiry and measurement we can know who and what was correct. But in absence of that I'll usually go to those groups with proven track records before giving too much thought about the results of a relatively new and unknown group.

If these doctors followed and took part in the peer reviewed study process they would have known making a viral video in front of the Supreme Court is not the path one goes through to be taking seriously by the existing scientific community.

If the group had provided a well written, data backed study of their results with an announcement that it had been submitted to one of the many respected peer review journals when they made their video available it would have added to the weight of their claims. As far as I know they didn't do that. I'm sure both the NY Times and PolitiFact would have reported that if that had been part of their presentation.




"The WHO, the CDC and the NIH are all organizations that have existed for many years and have throughout the years have provided very reliable and accurate information regarding various diseases and health related situations. I can confidently say that they are well versed in dealing with such issues. They all have made mistakes in the past but they have worked through their established processes to correct mistakes they made earlier. "

With all due respect ...... How do you know this ? What are your credentials ?
 
"The WHO, the CDC and the NIH are all organizations that have existed for many years and have throughout the years have provided very reliable and accurate information regarding various diseases and health related situations. I can confidently say that they are well versed in dealing with such issues. They all have made mistakes in the past but they have worked through their established processes to correct mistakes they made earlier. "

With all due respect ...... How do you know this ? What are your credentials ?

Based on what I've read and seen about them. Once again they've been around many more years and have a trail of results which have turned out to be valuable to the general public. I'm sure you can find criticisms of them I didn't find, but the weight of their known work far exceeds that of the collection of doctors brought together recently for an opposing view. There is a lot of information out there on the organizations. I don't believe the group of doctors in the video have released anywhere near the amount of information on can find on the organizations I mentioned.
 


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