Doctors press conference video you may have not seen yet.

Because of time zone differences I have only just read this thread and my first impression is that I am impressed by the respectful tone of the discussion. Obviously there are strongly held opinions on the subject but there have been level headed, well set out responses back and forth. Long may it continue.

Now my two cents worth. The world is on a learning curve. The future is the undiscovered country. The present is rather terrifying and the way forward is unclear. Personally, I do not think it profitable to squabble about matters medical, nor do I value commercial interests over human life so it is not surprising that I support public health policies that aim to restrict levels of infection within vulnerable communities.

Yesterday I had a visit with my grand daughter and her adorable baby who will have his first birthday early in September. It is for them that I surrender to the sensible advice of the epidemiologists to stay home unless I have a good reason for going out. For them I will wear a mask and practise social distancing when I do go out. For them and all the other young families I will ignore spokespeople who have an agenda that is more political than scientific.

It is my thinking that right now that there is no cure for COVID 19. Nor is there a vaccine. It reminds me of my childhood when polio was a dreaded disease. It was called infantile paralysis for good reason. It was a virus and antibiotics were ineffective. There was no vaccine available back then. Some people were infected and got over it with little damage, others were crippled for life and others died because they could not breathe unless placed in an iron lung, the forerunner of modern intubation. Some of these poor people were destined to spent the rest of their lives flat on their backs in the iron lung, looking at the world via a mirror.

An Australian nurse, Sister Kenny, had an idea for treatment of polio patients that was not a cure but which had good results as a kind of physiotherapy to restore muscle function. The medical profession pooh poohed her methods because she was only a lowly nurse. Her methods were controversial. Much later she was recognised for her efforts in recovery.

I remember seeing children crippled by polio and I also remember the joy when vaccines were made available to all school children, at first by injection and later a different on by serum on a sugar cube. It took years to develop these vaccines.

Today there are scientists all over the world working on developing a vaccine for corona virus, something that has never been achieved before. They are close but which one will be first on the market and which one will be the most effective in the long run is yet to be determined. At the same time, other scientists are testing various treatments that might save the lives of people who come down with severe symptoms of COVID 19. Every idea short of voodoo is worth looking at but caution must be exercised. Too many people advocating one approach over another have a vested interest in the one they are spruiking. Political advantage and/or financial gain are obvious motivations. So are crackpot philosophies.

Me, I place my trust in those who patiently collect the data and apply the scientific method.
 

Because of time zone differences I have only just read this thread and my first impression is that I am impressed by the respectful tone of the discussion. Obviously there are strongly held opinions on the subject but there have been level headed, well set out responses back and forth. Long may it continue.

Now my two cents worth. The world is on a learning curve. The future is the undiscovered country. The present is rather terrifying and the way forward is unclear. Personally, I do not think it profitable to squabble about matters medical, nor do I value commercial interests over human life so it is not surprising that I support public health policies that aim to restrict levels of infection within vulnerable communities.

Yesterday I had a visit with my grand daughter and her adorable baby who will have his first birthday early in September. It is for them that I surrender to the sensible advice of the epidemiologists to stay home unless I have a good reason for going out. For them I will wear a mask and practise social distancing when I do go out. For them and all the other young families I will ignore spokespeople who have an agenda that is more political than scientific.

It is my thinking that right now that there is no cure for COVID 19. Nor is there a vaccine. It reminds me of my childhood when polio was a dreaded disease. It was called infantile paralysis for good reason. It was a virus and antibiotics were ineffective. There was no vaccine available back then. Some people were infected and got over it with little damage, others were crippled for life and others died because they could not breathe unless placed in an iron lung, the forerunner of modern intubation. Some of these poor people were destined to spent the rest of their lives flat on their backs in the iron lung, looking at the world via a mirror.

An Australian nurse, Sister Kenny, had an idea for treatment of polio patients that was not a cure but which had good results as a kind of physiotherapy to restore muscle function. The medical profession pooh poohed her methods because she was only a lowly nurse. Her methods were controversial. Much later she was recognised for her efforts in recovery.

I remember seeing children crippled by polio and I also remember the joy when vaccines were made available to all school children, at first by injection and later a different on by serum on a sugar cube. It took years to develop these vaccines.

Today there are scientists all over the world working on developing a vaccine for corona virus, something that has never been achieved before. They are close but which one will be first on the market and which one will be the most effective in the long run is yet to be determined. At the same time, other scientists are testing various treatments that might save the lives of people who come down with severe symptoms of COVID 19. Every idea short of voodoo is worth looking at but caution must be exercised. Too many people advocating one approach over another have a vested interest in the one they are spruiking. Political advantage and/or financial gain are obvious motivations. So are crackpot philosophies.

Me, I place my trust in those who patiently collect the data and apply the scientific method.
I agree with what your saying, for years now I have been looking into the cannabis plant, oils etc. There were not very many honest "so called" professionals that would give out the straight deal. I found some people that for decades were using it because it works. Anti-inflammatory in a huge way, Plus a lot more, proven by those who grew it for themselves. Unless you have a lot of letters to your name etc, you are put down and ignored.
I am doing great since I started using the oil from cannabis , I still don't bother with the stores now that it is legal in Canada, I don't use chemicals to grow them.
Common sense of course is the rule. On the vidio, show some proof, over 300 patients. Some proof.
Time to burn this soap box....
 
Wow, @Birdlady. As a new member you sure came in with guns blazing.
I learned a long time ago that there is no need for me to attend every argument to which I'm invited. I'll pass on engaging with you.
 

Wow, @Birdlady. As a new member you sure came in with guns blazing.
I learned a long time ago that there is no need for me to attend every argument to which I'm invited. I'll pass on engaging with you.
Likewise, I'm sure.
Wow, @Birdlady. As a new member you sure came in with guns blazing.
I learned a long time ago that there is no need for me to attend every argument to which I'm invited. I'll pass on engaging with you.
Likewise, I'm sure.šŸ˜‰
 
you wont see it because google facebook youtube twitter keep censoring it. why?

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020...rs-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/


update: about this video I posted. maybe it is not truthful??? I'll leave everyone to make their own conclusions... clearly what my doctor said is not matching what the doctors in the video are saying.

I asked my personal doctor of 35 years if hydroxychloroquine treats covid19... he said and I quote:

"As of right now there is not enough medical documentation to support this."

Still, if the information in the video were incorrect, it should not be censored.... it should be debated and talked about.
 
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Still, if the information in the video were incorrect, it should not be censored.... it should be debated and talked about.
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Talked about by who? People in general who know nothing of medicine? Why debate ideas that are crackpot? To waste time? To divert from the truth? Why discuss what you yourself label as incorrect? It's not philosophy, it's SCIENCE. Enough yahoos make up stuff, why encourage them? Why give INCORRECT Ideas equal time? Why spread Lies through the populace? To divide them?
 
Why all this outrage about censorship, but only in this one case? The press, the airwaves, the internet, and all the social media are being censored all the time. Even this forum has a certain degree of censorship! Whoever is running the platform has the right to decide what to print/
air/publish, whatever. Somehow, no one seems to be so horrified by this in general, except in this one case. Why is that? Because hydroxychloroquine is involved, and that has political implications?
 
Well, isn't that the case with just about anything? Studies have shown:

"Coffee causes bladder cancer." "Coffee prevents bladder cancer." "Coffee is very high in antioxidants - even more than fruits & vegetables."

"Saturated fat in meat & dairy causes heart attacks & high blood pressure." "Saturated fat has nothing to do with heart disease; the problem is sugar."

"Eggs are high in cholesterol & should be avoided." "Eggs are a good source of protein & Zinc. Eat no more than 4 eggs a week."

"Milk does a body good." "Milk causes prostate cancer & diabetes." "Milk is only healthy for baby cows."

"Drinking even small amounts of alcohol increases your risk of liver cancer." "Red wine is a natural blood thinner & decreases your blood pressure."

"Olive oil is bad for you because it's 100% fat." "The healthy fat in olive oil, nuts & avocado clears arteries."
Remember doctors touting which cigarettes are good for you?

You know what folks. I just go with my gut feeling now. I just ask myself. What is this person's agenda that is speaking? What's in it for him? Is it political or is it science?

And then there is wishful thinking. People want to support some crazy idea because the devil might go away.
 
Remember doctors touting which cigarettes are good for you?

You know what folks. I just go with my gut feeling now. I just ask myself. What is this person's agenda that is speaking? What's in it for him? Is it political or is it science?

And then there is wishful thinking. People want to support some crazy idea because the devil might go away.
Yes, those ads: "7 out of 10 doctors smoke Camel cigarettes." (while they show doctors smoking).
Dr. Oz has promoted Green Coffee for weight loss........ Pay a doctor enough; he'll say anything.
 


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