The US is beginning to see a resurgence of Covid-19 cases. Small household gatherings are helping drive the surge, CDC chief says

[Becky1951]

The US is beginning to see a resurgence of Covid-19 cases. Small household gatherings are helping drive the surge, CDC chief says

(CNN)Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as at least 36 states are now reporting increased cases of the virus and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield said during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.

"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting.

More at

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

 

[CarolfromTX]

I'm not giving up seeing my family. Period.

 

[Pepper]

I'm not giving up seeing my family. Period.

Nor would I. But my family consists of 3 other people and 2 cats. When this whole thing began in March I went 5.5 weeks without seeing my grandson in person, although we FaceTimed every day. I told my son my truth, that my life was not worth living without them. He and grandson came over in a couple of days from then.

 

[ClassicRockr]

Well, not all families get along and that's the way it is for our families. We live in Colorado and our families live States away and that's the way we like it. For the last couple of months, we've been doing Zoom with them and that's enough.

Wife's family not getting along with us started after her mother died a number of years ago. She was very much the Matriarch and kept the family together.

 

[Pepper]

Wife's family not getting along with us started after her mother died a number of years ago. She was very much the Matriarch and kept the family together.

Same here. When my mother died, it fell apart. My favorite person on earth, my son, still here.

 

[win231]

Well, they gotta blame something....

 

[Pepper]

Well, they gotta blame something....

Why's that?

 

[win231]

Why's that?

This is the "Blame" virus. Whatever happens that's bad, it has to be our fault. Much better than doctors admitting they can't do much about it.
"You're not doing what we say."
"You're standing too close to people."
"You're having friends in your home."
"You're not wearing your mask"
"You're not wearing your mask properly."
"You touched too many things."
"You're not washing your hands often enough....or long enough."
"You didn't get your flu shot."
"You didn't buy the air purifiers we advertised."

 

[Pepper]

ok, @win231 I getcha now.

 

[garyt1957]

This could be a very bleak winter. For the northern states at least, we were pretty much coming out of winter in March when things got really crazy, so we had Spring to look forward to and could get outside. We're now looking at 4-5 months of pretty much indoor activities and of course less daylight. Not going to be fun. It will be interesting to see how many families decide to not celebrate Christmas as normal.

 

[I'mnotdeadyet]

This could be a very bleak winter. For the northern states at least, we were pretty much coming out of winter in March when things got really crazy, so we had Spring to look forward to and could get outside. We're now looking at 4-5 months of pretty much indoor activities and of course less daylight. Not going to be fun. It will be interesting to see how many families decide to not celebrate Christmas as normal.

Or just ignore it. We've been ignoring it since day one, we're all fine. Everyone in my family is an essential worker. My daughter and her husband are also essential workers. She is a nurse in a women's prison that has a ward with active COVID cases for months now. No issues. Besides working for the schools as a librarian, my wife watches their kids several nights a week. My SIL is a FedEx asst. manager in a storefront, constant contact with customers. My other daughter works in a lab setting at U of M. I am a contract administrator for major construction projects, upwards of $40M. I see and speak with Contractors and clients every day.

Every one of us has continued to do whatever. Went to the family reunion, many showed up. No issues. We'll be celebrating the holidays as always, including extended family.

Here's a photo from our recent trip to a specific point of interest. See how many people are concerned?

$(FILE_NAME) by telecast, on Flickr

 

[tbeltrans]

I can understand the difficulty for those who are fully retired and at home all the time, isolated from the rest of the world except through a computer screen.

For me, things are easier since I live in a 72 unit condo building and do see people every day at least passing in the hall. Also, I work a short term engineering contract every year and do go in to work for that, since I don't have a lab at home. My wife and I are fortunate to have hobbies that are home based. For us, going out to have fun has always been option, rather than necessary.

For those who depend on an active social life to keep their lives interesting, I can see how isolating would be very difficult. My wife and I are among the more fortunate folks because our lifestyle is not radically affected by COVID-19.

As for the "blame virus", I didn't do it.

Tony

 

[Pepper]

That's a beautiful family @I'mnotdeadyet!

 

[Aunt Bea]

 

[StarSong]

Ignoring this virus works. Until it doesn't.

I often picture this virus Dirty Harry style:
“Uh uh. I know what you’re thinking. “Did any of these folks happen to pick up the virus and not know it?” Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a corona virus for which there is neither a vaccine nor cure, and if you catch it you could die, have long lasting life-changing conditions, or foist those problems on people you love, you’ve gotta ask yourself one question: “Do I feel lucky?” Well, do ya, punk?”

The answer (for me) always comes back, "No I don't feel lucky enough to gamble my life or heath or that of the lives of people around me."

 

[Pinky]

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[rgp]

Or just ignore it. We've been ignoring it since day one, we're all fine. Everyone in my family is an essential worker. My daughter and her husband are also essential workers. She is a nurse in a women's prison that has a ward with active COVID cases for months now. No issues. Besides working for the schools as a librarian, my wife watches their kids several nights a week. My SIL is a FedEx asst. manager in a storefront, constant contact with customers. My other daughter works in a lab setting at U of M. I am a contract administrator for major construction projects, upwards of $40M. I see and speak with Contractors and clients every day.

Every one of us has continued to do whatever. Went to the family reunion, many showed up. No issues. We'll be celebrating the holidays as always, including extended family.

Here's a photo from our recent trip to a specific point of interest. See how many people are concerned?

$(FILE_NAME) by telecast, on Flickr

OK, a bit OT but I have to ask....

Is that ....
Tahquamenon Falls State Park ?

 

[I'mnotdeadyet]

Ignoring this virus works. Until it doesn't.

I often picture this virus Dirty Harry style:
“Uh uh. I know what you’re thinking. “Did any of these folks happen to pick up the virus and not know it?” Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a corona virus for which there is neither a vaccine nor cure, and if you catch it you could die, have long lasting life-changing conditions, or foist those problems on people you love, you’ve gotta ask yourself one question: “Do I feel lucky?” Well, do ya, punk?”

The answer (for me) always comes back, "No I don't feel lucky enough to gamble my life or heath or that of the lives of people around me."

All true, but consider:

We ignore pneumonia, and we have a vaccine, and we still have over 50,000 deaths every year in the US alone. From the CDC.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Also from the CDC.

Using logic only, no emotion, why do we ignore these and drive COVID into everyone's head? Why aren't we banning cigarettes? What is an acceptable number for deaths per year? It must be something between the pneumonia rate and the COVID rate, because you never ever hear anything about pneumonia on the news. So, it's ok for 50,000 plus people to die every year from that, I guess. Or, maybe it goes as high as the half million who die from cigarettes?

The main difference between these three issues is the amount of media coverage.

 

[Liberty]

Some areas of the country are spiking that haven't before...its like the virus is making the rounds of the USA, over and over again. They did waste water tests in this area and ascertained the virus load was less and less.
Maybe there will be waves and waves, like throwing a pebble in the middle of a pond, hopefully each wave getting smaller and smaller.

We should be so lucky, huh!

 

[Bethea]

Ignoring this virus works. Until it doesn't.

I often picture this virus Dirty Harry style:
“Uh uh. I know what you’re thinking. “Did any of these folks happen to pick up the virus and not know it?” Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a corona virus for which there is neither a vaccine nor cure, and if you catch it you could die, have long lasting life-changing conditions, or foist those problems on people you love, you’ve gotta ask yourself one question: “Do I feel lucky?” Well, do ya, punk?”

The answer (for me) always comes back, "No I don't feel lucky enough to gamble my life or heath or that of the lives of people around me."

It's one thing to risk their own life but it's not fair when they drag other people into it. Every time they go somewhere they are becoming a piece of the puzzle. Everyone they encounter whether it be out and about or at home becomes a piece of the puzzle. So I agree with you. It may not affect someone yet but at some point it could and then they could end up on their deathbed like that one man who said he thought he made a mistake and then passed away.

 

[Bethea]

All true, but consider:

We ignore pneumonia, and we have a vaccine, and we still have over 50,000 deaths every year in the US alone. From the CDC.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Also from the CDC.

Using logic only, no emotion, why do we ignore these and drive COVID into everyone's head? Why aren't we banning cigarettes? What is an acceptable number for deaths per year? It must be something between the pneumonia rate and the COVID rate, because you never ever hear anything about pneumonia on the news. So, it's ok for 50,000 plus people to die every year from that, I guess. Or, maybe it goes as high as the half million who die from cigarettes?

The main difference between these three issues is the amount of media coverage.

Cigarette smoking can be stopped and death can be avoided. Coronavirus at this point can't. If these vaccines they are touting don't work and we end up with those kind of numbers or more dying every year from this then at some point how lucky do you think you would be? I should say coronavirus death can't be avoided for some. Not all. Sorry about that.

 

[StarSong]

All true, but consider:

We ignore pneumonia, and we have a vaccine, and we still have over 50,000 deaths every year in the US alone. From the CDC.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Also from the CDC.

Using logic only, no emotion, why do we ignore these and drive COVID into everyone's head? Why aren't we banning cigarettes? What is an acceptable number for deaths per year? It must be something between the pneumonia rate and the COVID rate, because you never ever hear anything about pneumonia on the news. So, it's ok for 50,000 plus people to die every year from that, I guess. Or, maybe it goes as high as the half million who die from cigarettes?

The main difference between these three issues is the amount of media coverage.

What makes you think these deaths are ignored? Many of us, myself included, have had pneumonia vaccines, quit smoking decades ago, don't permit smoking in our homes, and don't enter enclosed spaces where people smoke.

Media coverage is directly responsible for the dramatically reduced number of smokers (over 40% of US adults in 1965 versus under 15% today). Smoking related deaths (cancer and COPD) are a lagging indicator - it often takes decades for tobacco damage to rear its ugly head.

Why aren't we banning cigarettes? Lobby money, that's why.

 

[Becky1951]

All true, but consider:

We ignore pneumonia, and we have a vaccine, and we still have over 50,000 deaths every year in the US alone. From the CDC.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Also from the CDC.

Using logic only, no emotion, why do we ignore these and drive COVID into everyone's head? Why aren't we banning cigarettes? What is an acceptable number for deaths per year? It must be something between the pneumonia rate and the COVID rate, because you never ever hear anything about pneumonia on the news. So, it's ok for 50,000 plus people to die every year from that, I guess. Or, maybe it goes as high as the half million who die from cigarettes?

The main difference between these three issues is the amount of media coverage.

Smoking is a choice and not a virus. Pneumonia is either viral or bacterial and has an available treatment and vaccine.

The media through the years has kept us informed of the dangers of smoking, also information regarding pneumonia.

Covid-19 has no safe proven vaccine as yet nor confirmed successful treatment.

Big difference.

 

[I'mnotdeadyet]

What makes you think these deaths are ignored? Many of us, myself included, have had pneumonia vaccines, quit smoking decades ago, don't permit smoking in our homes, and don't enter enclosed spaces where people smoke.

Media coverage is directly responsible for the dramatically reduced number of smokers (over 40% of US adults in 1965 versus under 15% today). Smoking related deaths (cancer and COPD) are a lagging indicator - it often takes decades for tobacco damage to rear its ugly head.

Why aren't we banning cigarettes? Lobby money, that's why.

Ah...so we see now that cigarettes are kept around due to politics...hmmmm….

You're actually making my point for me. We have pneumonia vaccines, but we still lose 50,000 per year. Shouldn't we 'mask up' to protect those that are susceptible?

Media coverage about smoking is only prevalent when there's a lawsuit. Other than that, zip...zilch...nada.

 

[I'mnotdeadyet]

Cigarette smoking can be stopped and death can be avoided. Coronavirus at this point can't. If these vaccines they are touting don't work and we end up with those kind of numbers or more dying every year from this then at some point how lucky do you think you would be? I should say coronavirus death can't be avoided for some. Not all. Sorry about that.

Evidently Pneumonia can't be stopped either, even with a vaccine. In fact, everything you just said about COVID can be applied to pneumonia, yet no one does.