Sounds like somethin people say when they don't much care what happens to themselves or those around em.
The US is beginning to see a resurgence of Covid-19 cases. Small household gatherings are helping drive the surge, CDC chief says
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^^^ Sounds like someone who is incapable of thinking logically.
I doubt there would've been more masks. Folks seem hell bent on not wearin em.
Warrigal
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Mask alone aren't enough. The virus finds every weak link to secure new host bodies. If we think of it as a very small parasite we could better understand the defences that can cut down the chances of being infected.
Think about the problem of head lice. In earlier times this problem was something of a global pandemic especially when human beings began to circle the globe in ships. All sorts of diseases and parasites were carried around and when introduced to a population that had never been affected before they spread like wildfire. Then the people had to change some habits to deal with the problem.
Think about head lice for a moment. Strict hygiene is essential. Hair needs to be kept clean, bed linen needs to be washed and exposed to the sun to kill any lice. COVID equivalent - hand washing and sanitising of surfaces.
A fine tooth comb was used to check for lice and nits, especially if the scalp is very itchy. - COVID equivalent - getting tested if experiencing symptoms such as fever or cough.
If one person in the house is found to have lice or nits, assume that others close to them might also have them and check everyone. COVID equivalent - contact tracing and follow up testing.
When out and about, avoid contact with people who may have lice - social distancing - and wear a head covering such as a hat, bonnet, headscarf or wig; all popular years ago when lice was pandemic. Plaiting hair rather than letting it hang loose was also a defence. COVID equivalent - Full PPE if the risk is very high and masks/gloves for lesser risk.
Be careful about getting close to people you don't know and even to some you do. Lice, like COVID, aren't fussy about who they live on. All they need is an opportunity to move from one to the other. COVID equivalent - social isolation, avoiding crowds, restricting numbers at social events.
Treatment for lice used to be fairly drastic. Kerosene and quassia chips were effective but unpleasant. Shaving the head also worked as long as the household was scrubbed from floor to ceiling to avoid re-infestation when the hair grew back. There was no one action that would take care of the problem.
COVID equivlent - to control the outbreak requires a range of actions and behaviour changes:- wide ranging testing and contact tracing, restrictions on movement across borders. Limiting movement within borders, limiting crowd sizes for social events, worship, recreation events, working from home where possible and encouraging distance learning are all worth a try until the virus is less prevalent in the community. Keeping your distance from strangers when out and about but when that is not possible, wearing a face mask provides a measure of protection.
The more people observe the above precautions, the faster the virus will diminish. One day, probably after several decades of vaccine treatment, it will no longer be using humans as a host but just as fleas are present in other species besides humans, corona viruses will continue to exist in wild animals and the lessons we learn now will still serve us well when we re faced with a new pandemic.
One thing we ought not do is argue endlessly about little details like whether wearing a mask is effective or not. We need to look objectively at all of our options, listen to good advice and co-operate fully with the experts in epidemiology. We do this not just for our own sakes but for the sake of family, friends, neighbours and the nation.
I hope my analogy is helpful. If we think of the virus as an invisible parasite, which it is, then we might just begin to see how we can defeat it.
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asp3
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I agree that masks alone don't get us to no cases of the virus, however Sunny said more masks, fewer cases which has pretty much been proven not more masks, no cases. In addition with fewer cases you get fewer chances of having the virus spread.
However the holy trinity of things are:
1. Wear a mask when six feet or closer to other people
2. Avoid indoor gatherings
3. Avoid large gatherings
One can also say avoid being around people who are singing, yelling or talking a lot as well, but that kind of happens when you implement 2 and 3 from above.
Warrigal
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Exactly. Anything that prevents transmission of the invisible virus from one person to another is worthwhile. Let's not forget that we can infect ourselves via our hands. I find it fairly impossible not to touch my face so hand sanitising is really important for people like me. A mask also serves to stop me licking my fingers. So do rubber gloves.
But what if you eat KFC & it's Finger Lickin' Good?
MFP
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You wipe it on your pants?
grahamg
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Would you accept the three options you've offered if the pandemic infection were to stick around for say ten years?
A professor of risk management in the UK who advises our government, has offered four options so far as lockdowns go, and suggested the third may achieve the optimal results, or least risk, when factoring in economic damage and its consequences for our collective health. The third option was to use a version of lockdowns to slow the infection rate until the end of this year, then cease using them, (sorry can't all the others precisely, but they ranged from cease lockdowns now, to carry on much longer than he advises). He could have it all wrong of course.
We worry about Covid because if you have thousands of people getting sick at once, the hospitals will be over run. So every hospital has only so many beds or ability to treat only so many people. Can you imagine how horrific it would be to need emergency care and have to be turned away because someone wanted to go have some fun and could care less who dies. Why risk it? If you could possibly save one life would you do it? I wear a mask because it might just save that one person, or maybe hundreds. Everyone has a choice, but I choose to save lives and try not to die alone in a cold hospital because I couldn't wait this out for months.
Warrigal
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Sanitise your hands first and it is OK. Always washing or sanitising your hands is necessary these days.
asp3
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If that's what it takes to keep myself and others safe I would consider doing it. I'm hopeful it won't come to that though.
Here in Canada, particular in the Province of Manitoba, Covid-19 cases are being supercharged by people in their 20's.
They're not listening, not practicing, not paying attention to, and not embracing safe measures.
Same here. I think our younger generation lacks empathy and sympathy, they are pretty much a ME ME ME society.
It's all about me and what I want.
I couldn't have said it better, Becky.Same here. I think our younger generation lacks empathy and sympathy, they are pretty much a ME ME ME society.
It's all about me and what I want.
My sentiment to a T.
Aneeda72
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Head lice is still a problem in schools, another thing to look forward too.
That's what was said about our generation, the Boomers. It's said about every generation.Same here. I think our younger generation lacks empathy and sympathy, they are pretty much a ME ME ME society.
It's all about me and what I want.
āChildren; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.ā
Socrates
Aneeda72
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This is happening now, of course. People are being turned away
From The Mikado, by Gilbert & Sullivan:
So please you, Sir, we much regret
If we have failed in etiquette
Towards a man of rank so high--
We shall know better by and by.
But youth, of course, must have its fling,
So pardon us,
So pardon us,
And don't, in girlhood's happy spring,
Be hard on us,
Be hard on us,
If we're inclined to dance and sing.
Tra la la, etc. (Dancing.)
So please you, Sir, we much regret
If we have failed in etiquette
Towards a man of rank so high--
We shall know better by and by.
But youth, of course, must have its fling,
So pardon us,
So pardon us,
And don't, in girlhood's happy spring,
Be hard on us,
Be hard on us,
If we're inclined to dance and sing.
Tra la la, etc. (Dancing.)
grahamg
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If you'd accept the strict measures you outlined for ten years, "if it kept your family and others safe", the obvious question is would you accept twenty years of lockdowns, of one form or another, or are there any limits to how long you'd put up with it?
Then there is another question, would you expect young people to forego relationships they might have forged for such long periods, on the same basis, keeping everyone safe etc., maybe thereby never having the opportunity to meet someone they might love, and have a family with, in that fairly critical ten or twenty years when couples normally do this, (apologies for trying to extract a few doubts about lockdowns from you, but you understand it is for the purposes of argument).
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asp3
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If you'd accept the strict measures you outlined for ten years, "if it kept your family and others safe", the obvious question is would you accept twenty years of lockdowns, of one form or another, or are there any limits to how long you'd put up with it?
Then there is another question, would you expect young people to forego relationships they might have forged for such long periods, on the same basis, keeping everyone safe etc., maybe thereby never having the opportunity to meet someone they might love, and have a family with, in that fairly critical ten or twenty years when couples normally do this, (apologies for trying to extract a few doubts about lockdowns from you, but you understand it is for the purposes of argument).
No problem, I understand. I think that when one is out amongst people one doesn't know the guidelines are perfectly reasonable and if it turned out to be for the good of the rest I think I could see to continuing them indefinitely.
However based on what we know I think the scenario of this being ongoing after the end of 2021 is highly unlikely.
