What do women really want?

[Shalimar]

You've made some remarks here that I've ignored, (so apologies for that).

You've told us you're a therapist, (because its what you do, hard to stop being one perhaps, even in your private life, should you wish to?).

I'm assuming you've not yet written books on human behaviour even though you've obviously studied it a lot during your training or professional life. If I'm right, then the, let's say controversial views of Desmond Morris, the author of a great many books on human behaviour in over fifty years of writing, perhaps deserve more consideration than simply saying he finds solace in them, but theyre his professional opinion at least. Hes the guru I choose to believe is very good, hence keep mentioning him, where he highlights differences between the seces , (often emphasising superiority in females perhaps, in some aspects).

I agree self examination, or as I'd describe it "an awareness of your own flaws", is important yes, so we're in agreement there at least. .

You've made some remarks here that I've ignored, (so apologies for that).

You've told us you're a therapist, (because its what you do, hard to stop being one perhaps, even in your private life, should you wish to?).

I'm assuming you've not yet written books on human behaviour even though you've obviously studied it a lot during your training or professional life. If I'm right, then the, let's say controversial views of Desmond Morris, the author of a great many books on human behaviour in over fifty years of writing, perhaps deserve more consideration than simply saying he finds solace in them, but theyre his professional opinion at least. Hes the guru I choose to believe is very good, hence keep mentioning him, where he highlights differences between the seces , (often emphasising superiority in females perhaps, in some aspects).

I agree self examination, or as I'd describe it "an awareness of your own flaws", is important yes, so we're in agreement there at least. .

My goodness, I didn’t realise that not writing books on human behaviour disqualified one from having a valid perspective? Lol. Mr Morris sees things from an evolutionary perspective, whereas my focus is more cultural. Disagreement all but inevitable.

 

[Aunt Marg]

When I want to lose weight I cut down my portion sizes. It works for me. I'm from a long line of overweight women. I made sure that did not become me.

6 babies helped push me over the edge. LOL!

 

[Keesha]

SIX???? And you enjoyed this?

 

[grahamg]

She’s messing with you grahamg

Hey, if you think that's the first time you've gotten me all wrong, "I went to a better school than that yu know!"
(do you think I'm completely innocent in that regard too? )

 

[Keesha]

Hey, if you think that's the first time you've gotten me all wrong, "I went to a better school than that yu know!"
(do you think I'm completely innocent in that regard too? )

Okaaaayyyy!

 

[grahamg]

My goodness, I didn’t realise that not writing books on human behaviour disqualified one from having a valid perspective? Lol. Mr Morris sees things from an evolutionary perspective, whereas my focus is more cultural. Disagreement all but inevitable.

You dont have to recognise things from one perspective only, even if as a zoologist of some note, this was Desmond Morris's first speciality.

Why not have a go at writing a book, they say everyone's got at least one book in them?

 

[grahamg]

I agreed with you and you think that’s an attack? You must be very isolated to want to continue this conversation. Ask a woman friend or ex-wife and she will tell you what is wrong with what you wrote. If you truly don’t know, but everyone else does.

Edited: I actually think if I spell it out for you, in simple terms, you will claim you are insulted. But, if you would like me to do so, I will. But you have to ask. Can we be done now?

Spelling out in the simplist possible terms will do just fine by me, and if I am insulted I'll get over it pretty quick I promise ! .

 

[Aneeda72]

Your post #148 where you said “I’ll let you figure it out“. Yet, even with the help of your guru, , who wrote many books you are unable to understand that YOU, @grahamg, do not have the right to let any adult do anything, female or male.

The last people “to let” me do something was my mother and my father. Pretty sure you don’t ”let” other men “figure it out“. Doing so would mean you would walk around a lot with a bag of frozen peas on your face. Your language shows a remarkable and comfortable contempt and scorn for women, as if a woman were a small child that you “let” work things out.

Next a show of more contempt, disrespect, and ignorance, towards woman, as you suggest a “sisters group”. Little sisters joining other little sisters playing with their dollies. . I could join a group with mostly woman, a group with only men. I could join any dang group I want in the USA.

I have no ideal what a sisters group is. I have several half sisters, but we have never grouped up.

Lastly, you said I “had no need to worry”. Hmm. Because, of course, big strong grahamg will take care of things? . Oh, good god. Read more books. See a therapist. Take a class. Whatever. We are done with this now.

 

[Keesha]

SNAP!

 

[Warrigal]

Atta girl, Aneeda. My reaction to men who make the mistake of seemingly granting me permission to do X, Y or Z is to arc up and ask "Who's going to stop me? Certainly not you."

Take note, Graham. Don't make that mistake more than once. It is definitely a case of fools rush in where wise men dare not go.

 

[grahamg]

Your post #148 where you said “I’ll let you figure it out“. Yet, even with the help of your guru, , who wrote many books you are unable to understand that YOU, @grahamg, do not have the right to let any adult do anything, female or male.
The last people “to let” me do something was my mother and my father. Pretty sure you don’t ”let” other men “figure it out“. Doing so would mean you would walk around a lot with a bag of frozen peas on your face. Your language shows a remarkable and comfortable contempt and scorn for women, as if a woman were a small child that you “let” work things out. Next a show of more contempt, disrespect, and ignorance, towards woman, as you suggest a “sisters group”. Little sisters joining other little sisters playing with their dollies. . I could join a group with mostly woman, a group with only men. I could join any dang group I want in the USA. I have no ideal what a sisters group is. I have several half sisters, but we have never grouped up. Lastly, you said I “had no need to worry”. Hmm. Because, of course, big strong grahamg will take care of things? . Oh, good god. Read more books. See a therapist. Take a class. Whatever. We are done with this now.

I'll try to respond to each charge you make bit by bit as it were, and apologies if its in no particular order.
Calling another "Round table", in another European country, South American country, Australasian country, anywhere else in the world where "Round tables" have spread since they were first set up in Norwich during the 1930s by a guy called Louis Marchesi, a "sister organisation", has as far as I'm aware no negative connotations at all when using the queens English in my country. I could not say "brother organisation" because no one, including myself would have had a clue what it meant, period. Okay, has that cleared this up for you, not one iota of sexism in the use of that word "sister" in the circumstances I used it, (and you wonder why I needed it spelling out ?)?
Secondly saying I will "let you figure something out for yourself" is something else you seem to have misinterpreted, or else means something completely different in the USA compared to the UK, because to me it simply means "I'm not going to explain myself", and doesn't in any way mean you must/should do anything. It was meant to indicate I was losing patience with the direction of our argument/discussion, as I am now, though not terribly so or I wouldn't be bothering to respond to you..
Saying "no need to worry", well who is making such a fuss here, and who is trying to diffuse the fuss?
You issue orders it appears to me when you've no idea who I am or what I'm about, and all I'm telling you in response is "please yourself, because this skin of mine has gotten pretty thick lately".
Finally you dont speak for "women", any more than I speak for "men", but the fact you think you might is interesting, because it is an arrogant idea, and maybe something Desmond Morris might have an insight into(?).

 

[grahamg]

Atta girl, Aneeda. My reaction to men who make the mistake of seemingly granting me permission to do X, Y or Z is to arc up and ask "Who's going to stop me? Certainly not you."
Take note, Graham. Don't make that mistake more than once. It is definitely a case of fools rush in where wise men dare not go.

There are wise men facing danger every day, as well as us fools rushing in, but hey ho, "no one got killed did they"! .

 

[win231]

Recently a "Husband Super Store" opened where women could choose a husband from among many men. The store was laid out in five floors with the men increasing in positive attributes with each higher floor.
There were only two rules:
1. Once a door was opened, the woman HAD to choose a man from that floor.
2. If a woman went up a floor, she couldn't go back down except to leave the store & never return.

A couple of women went to the store to find husbands.
On the first floor, the door had a sign that read: "These men have jobs & love kids."
After reading the sign, the women said, "Well, that's OK but I wonder what's further up."

Second Floor - The sign read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids & are extremely good looking."
“Hmmmmm," said the ladies. "But I wonder what's further up."

Third Floor - The sign read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking & help with the housework."
"Wow," said the women. "Very tempting." But there was another floor, so up they went.

Fourth Floor - this door had a sign that read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework & are very romantic."
"Oh, mercy me," they cried. "Just think what must be awaiting us on the next floor!!" So up to the fifth floor they went.

Fifth Floor - the sign on that door said: "This floor is empty & exists only to prove that women are impossible to please. The exit is on your left. Goodbye."

 

[Aneeda72]

I'll try to respond to each charge you make bit by bit as it were, and apologies if its in no particular order.
Calling another "Round table", in another European country, South American country, Australasian country, anywhere else in the world where "Round tables" have spread since they were first set up in Norwich during the 1930s by a guy called Louis Marchesi, a "sister organisation", has as far as I'm aware no negative connotations at all when using the queens English in my country. I could not say "brother organisation" because no one, including myself would have had a clue what it meant, period. Okay, has that cleared this up for you, not one iota of sexism in the use of that word "sister" in the circumstances I used it, (and you wonder why I needed it spelling out ?)?
Secondly saying I will "let you figure something out for yourself" is something else you seem to have misinterpreted, or else means something completely different in the USA compared to the UK, because to me it simply means "I'm not going to explain myself", and doesn't in any way mean you must/should do anything. It was meant to indicate I was losing patience with the direction of our argument/discussion, as I am now, though not terribly so or I wouldn't be bothering to respond to you..
Saying "no need to worry", well who is making such a fuss here, and who is trying to diffuse the fuss?
You issue orders it appears to me when you've no idea who I am or what I'm about, and all I'm telling you in response is "please yourself, because this skin of mine has gotten pretty thick lately".
Finally you dont speak for "women", any more than I speak for "men", but the fact you think you might is interesting, because it is an arrogant idea, and maybe something Desmond Morris might have an insight into(?).

As I said I am done. Should I say it again?

 

[Aneeda72]

Recently a "Husband Super Store" opened where women could choose a husband from among many men. The store was laid out in five floors with the men increasing in positive attributes with each higher floor.
There were only two rules:
1. Once a door was opened, the woman HAD to choose a man from that floor.
2. If a woman went up a floor, she couldn't go back down except to leave the store & never return.

A couple of women went to the store to find husbands.
On the first floor, the door had a sign that read: "These men have jobs & love kids."
After reading the sign, the women said, "Well, that's OK but I wonder what's further up."

Second Floor - The sign read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids & are extremely good looking."
“Hmmmmm," said the ladies. "But I wonder what's further up."

Third Floor - The sign read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking & help with the housework."
"Wow," said the women. "Very tempting." But there was another floor, so up they went.

Fourth Floor - this door had a sign that read: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework & are very romantic."
"Oh, mercy me," they cried. "Just think what must be awaiting us on the next floor!!" So up to the fifth floor they went.

Fifth Floor - the sign on that door said: "This floor is empty & exists only to prove that women are impossible to please. The exit is on your left. Goodbye."

No where in your “joke” does it say “these men LOVE, RESPECT, and SUPPORT a women‘s right to choose what she wants. I suppose that’s why the fifth floor was empty-the store found it impossible to give woman what they really wanted. The store must have been owned by men.

 

[Keesha]

 

[Ruthanne]

I really don't know what All women want but lately I just want to be appreciated for who and what I am (not be put down), treated kindly, cared about, understood *if that's possible*, wanted.

 

[Aneeda72]

It is estimated that 2 to 4 million woman are assaulted by a domestic partner every year, physically abused, in the USA. Over 12 million women will be abused in their lifetimes. I believe the statistics for teenagers, young girls, and the under five age group are kept separate.

What do woman really want?

I WILL AND CAN SPEAK FOR ALL WOMEN. I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT. If that makes me arrogant, then I am arrogant, as charged, and proud of it.

Women want to be safe. Women want their children to be safe, their grandchildren safe, and their great grandchildren safe. Women want themselves to be safe. In fact, women want everyone to be safe. Women want a safe world. Women will not settle for less, and someday women will have safety.

It is easy to joke about such things. It is easy to explain away the slights and digs. We, women, have heard it all. As in; I’ve been misunderstood, you don’t understand, you’ve misinterpreted my actions, you shouldn’t have made me mad, that’s not my baby, I am not responsible. And on on and on and on.

Again, I find myself agreeing with @grahamg. There are men and there are fools. Women decide which is which.

 

[Warrigal]

There are wise men facing danger every day, as well as us fools rushing in, but hey ho, "no one got killed did they"! .

Shoudda quit while you were behind. No-one got killed on this forum but every day some woman or other is killed by an intimate partner or ex.

So far this year in Australia the count of dead woman killed by a partner stands at 39. We know this because there is a group of 'sisters' who are keeping count and keeping a record. Each year the number exceeds an average 1 death per week.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/dest...wn-death-due-to-violence-ag/2815333238514402/

October 20: The body of Linda Greenwood (39) was found by neighbours in the driveway of a block of units in Como in the early hours of this morning. She had suffered "extensive wounds to her upper body". A man (unnamed) (39) who had been in an "on and off again" relationship with Ms Greenwood was arrested this morning and police say he is likely to be charged with murder. Police had recorded domestic incidents last year and there was an AVO (Apprehended Violence Order) managed by the parole board against the man for the deceased woman. https://tinyurl.com/y2c9c92q https://tinyurl.com/yyqwva9r
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October 14: Emergency services were called to a unit in Wentworthville, Sydney at 2:40am to attend an injured woman, Sabah Hafiz (23). On arrival police and ambulance officers found she had already died. Her husband, Adam Cureton, (24) has been arrested and is assisting police with their investigation.
NSW https://tinyurl.com/y2kkloc5 https://tinyurl.com/y58yyphf https://tinyurl.com/y36c5s99 https://tinyurl.com/yxsvfnbs https://tinyurl.com/y36c5s99
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October 10: Kate Bell (31) of Prahan was found injured in Richmond. She died at the scene. The body of Rahul Patel (29) who she had been dating for a few months was found 40 minutes after emergency services were called to attend to Ms Bell. Police are continuing to investigate the deaths however it is believed that Patel murdered Ms Bell before suiciding. https://tinyurl.com/y4x5b3tk https://tinyurl.com/yxmbzkfz https://tinyurl.com/y5cjzdhk
VIC
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I don't reckon any of the dead women experienced much "peace and quiet" or a "fair go".

Again, I advise against blundering into the reality of women's lived experience, it is a minefield for men who have no idea how their words may trigger memories and emotions that the menfolk are never going to understand.

 

[Keesha]

You'll have a problem joining the "Round table of Britain and Ireland" even were you to live here, (as would I now), or one of the sister groups around the globe with the exception of the USA, as I said before. I'll let you figure out why, if you wish of course(?).
No need to worry, plenty of other groups, maybe some with similar aims, friendship, charitable, improving international relations, etc., oh and having fun. ! .

I didn’t even get this post and still haven’t a glue what he’s talking about but I never do. I was laughing at the joke about the man store being made by men. It was funny. Grahamgs admitted he likes stirring things up and he accomplished it.

 

[Warrigal]

He is referring obliquely to the Arthurian legend. It was never a reality.
A round table is a symbol of equality because all places are the same unlike rectangular tables where the most important people sit at one end and everyone else is seated down the table in order of status and importance.

 

[Aneeda72]

He is referring obliquely to the Arthurian legend. It was never a reality.
A round table is a symbol of equality because all places are the same unlike rectangular tables where the most important people sit at one end and everyone else is seated down the table in order of status and importance.

Except just men sat at that table, the round table. .

 

[fmdog44]

The women I have known in my long life wanted two things ..............................sorry, I forgot what they were.

 

[Phoenix]

No. I mean this entire thread is a train wreck

I was just kidding around. No harm intended.

 

[Keesha]

He is referring obliquely to the Arthurian legend. It was never a reality.
A round table is a symbol of equality because all places are the same unlike rectangular tables where the most important people sit at one end and everyone else is seated down the table in order of status and importance.

Oh. I completely missed that.
All I know is that Grahamg does this often. He enjoys fighting between the power of the sexes which usually results in ‘put downs’ regarding woman. It’s intentional so I no longer bite any more. He IS baiting us and always has.

I was just kidding around. No harm intended.

Yes! It was my misunderstanding. My apologies.