CDC Admits Droplets From Sneeze Could Spread Ebola

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Ebola is a lot easier to catch than health officials have admitted — and can be contracted by contact with a doorknob contaminated by a sneeze from an infected person an hour or more before, experts told The Post Tuesday.


“If you are sniffling and sneezing, you produce microorganisms that can get on stuff in a room. If people touch them, they could be” infected, said Dr. Meryl Nass, of the Institute for Public Accuracy in Washington, DC.
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CDC Admits ...
 

The CDC did not respond to a request for comment.
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So this article has been written by someone at the New York Post... and they are saying that "the CDC says"... yet the CDC cannot be reached for comment.. Sound fishy to you? It does to me.. especially since the New York Post is a well recognized right wing rag that specializes in sensationalism and conspiracy theories.
 
QuickSilver said:
So this article has been written by someone at the New York Post... and they are saying that "the CDC says"... yet the CDC cannot be reached for comment.. Sound fishy to you? It does to me.. especially since the New York Post is a well recognized right wing rag that specializes in sensationalism and conspiracy theories.
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It does sound fishy, why is the CDC not commenting if they have nothing to hide??
 

nwlady said:
It does sound fishy, why is the CDC not commenting if they have nothing to hide??
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Because perhaps they didn't say that at all? Or it was taken out of context? I simply cannot understand why people are so anxious to believe op/ed postings in papers and blogs and dismiss the experts and world renowned epidemiologists as stupid and worse yet liars.. Can you tell me what they have to gain by lying to people? If you CAN catch it in ways that no one thought why would they hide that? What would the gain be in having more people get sick? Can you not see the folly in that way of thinking? Now.. I can understand why some politicians and their pundits want to keep everyone hysterical.. There is an election just a week away.
 
QuickSilver said:
Because perhaps they didn't say that at all? Or it was taken out of context? I simply cannot understand why people are so anxious to believe op/ed postings in papers and blogs and dismiss the experts and world renowned epidemiologists as stupid and worse yet liars.. Can you tell me what they have to gain by lying to people? If you CAN catch it in ways that no one thought why would they hide that? What would the gain be in having more people get sick? Can you not see the folly in that way of thinking? Now.. I can understand why some politicians and their pundits want to keep everyone hysterical.. There is an election just a week away.
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What do they have to gain?

How about, it's easier to cow a sick person than a healthy one. How about, a sick nation is a divided nation.

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I note that they still don't claim it is airborne - just that "droplets" can spread the virus.

It wasn't just an op-ed piece - it comes straight from CDC's website.
 
You DO realize that droplet and airborne are two DIFFERENT things don't you? Ebola is NOT airborne.. it does NOT aerosolize and float through the air like TB or other viruses. If in a droplet, it falls to a surface and it dies.. It can live only a few hours outside the body. So I guess my advise to everyone here is.. that if you see fresh diarrhea or mucous, or vomit in the street or on a subway... DON'T EAT IT!! and Don't put your hands in it and then rub your eyes. lol!!
 
nwlady said:
That's very funny, except a sneeze full of snot is airborne, I think a wet fart would qualify as airborne too.
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No... a sneeze and a wet fart are droplet... not airborne.. droplet distance is less than 3 feet... Airborne is aerosolized to traval much greater distances and hangs in the air. It does not fall to the ground but travels on air currents.
 
Obviously, you have never seen me sneeze.

adjective 1. carried by the air, as pollen or dust.

2. in flight; aloft: The plane was airborne by six o'clock.


3. Military. (of ground forces) carried in airplanes or gliders: airborne infantry.



4. Aeronautics. (of an aircraft) supported entirely by the atmosphere; flying.

5. Suspended while hurtling through the air, such as projectile vomiting.

:eek:nthego:
 
QuickSilver said:
You DO realize that droplet and airborne are two DIFFERENT things don't you? Ebola is NOT airborne.. it does NOT aerosolize and float through the air like TB or other viruses. If in a droplet, it falls to a surface and it dies.. It can live only a few hours outside the body. So I guess my advise to everyone here is.. that if you see fresh diarrhea or mucous, or vomit in the street or on a subway... DON'T EAT IT!! and Don't put your hands in it and then rub your eyes. lol!!
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Yes, of course I do, and with something as potentially dangerous - and deadly - as Ebola the differences don't amount to a hill of beans.

Your subway example is ludicrous, of course (although I HAVE seen stranger things on subways).

If I touch a door-handle containing droplets from a sneeze, or if I walk through an aerosol mist from that same sneeze, IT DOES NOT MATTER - I'm still infected.
 
This is from the World Health Organization (WHO) on Ebola and sneezing. I still think that this whole Ebola-like disease in the US has been blown way out of proportion by the fear-mongering mainstream news media, and unfortunately a lot of the reasons behind it seem to be political. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/06-october-2014/en/

Not an airborne virus

Ebola virus disease is not an airborne infection. Airborne spread among humans implies inhalation of an infectious dose of virus from a suspended cloud of small dried droplets.

This mode of transmission has not been observed during extensive studies of the Ebola virus over several decades.

Common sense and observation tell us that spread of the virus via coughing or sneezing is rare, if it happens at all. Epidemiological data emerging from the outbreak are not consistent with the pattern of spread seen with airborne viruses, like those that cause measles and chickenpox, or the airborne bacterium that causes tuberculosis.

Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

This could happen when virus-laden heavy droplets are directly propelled, by coughing or sneezing (which does not mean airborne transmission) onto the mucus membranes or skin with cuts or abrasions of another person.

WHO is not aware of any studies that actually document this mode of transmission. On the contrary, good quality studies from previous Ebola outbreaks show that all cases were infected by direct close contact with symptomatic patients
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Meanderer said:
I have a feeling media coverage will fade some ...after the election on Tuesday.:)
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Hahahah.... Ya Think? Right now.. keep everyone's hair on fire.. and believing that ebola is just another example of how Obama is incompetant.. and therefore... vote for the Republicans because they will know exactly how to keep you safe from Ebobla....blah..blah...blah...
 
QuickSilver said:
........ If in a droplet, it falls to a surface and it dies.. It can live only a few hours outside the body. DON'T EAT IT!! and Don't put your hands in it and then rub your eyes. lol!!
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You do know that from the CDC website it says: "Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dry surfaces, such as doorknobs and countertops, can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature."

Based on that info from the CDC's website, it sounds like someone could sneeze into their hand, touch a door knob and you could pick it up a couple hours later just before you buy that bag of chips. Airborne, droplets, isn't this a question of degrees? The point people are concerned about is that they don't have to have sex with someone, they don't have to engage in big smooshy kisses, they don't have to at least indulge in a prolonged and close hug (where people may be breathing within range of each others faces). We're concerned that some undiagnosed ebola patient may have sneezed, contaminated some thing, and then we come along and touch that object and so on. And I think the above from the CDC's own site suggests that is a possibility.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html
 
Yes... and I could go outside right now and be hit by a meteor.. or a piece of space garbage.. YES... For GOD sake... However how likely is that? Considering there are only TWO cases of ebola transmitted inside the USA... TWO out of 320 million people.. and those two were taking care of a dying ebola patient.. Can we have a little perspective here? I'm a million times more afraid of catching a nasty cold from a doorknob than ebola..
 
So does anyone know the actual count today on those that have contracted the disease? I think it takes, what, 2 weeks for symptoms to appear after being exposed? I think the proof is going to be in if it's contained, or others that were exposed early on are showing symptoms yet.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes... and I could go outside right now and be hit by a meteor.. or a piece of space garbage.. YES... For GOD sake... However how likely is that? Considering there are only TWO cases of ebola transmitted inside the USA... TWO out of 320 million people.. and those two were taking care of a dying ebola patient.. Can we have a little perspective here? I'm a million times more afraid of catching a nasty cold from a doorknob than ebola..
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Speaking of perspective ... every great historical epidemic / pandemic started with one person.
 
I wonder why everyone isn't up in arms about TB? There have been 9,500 cases of TB in the US in 2013. Of that total, 1.3% of the cases were Mulit-drug resistant. Meaning it could not be treated using the 1st and 2nd line treatments for TB... SO? Well, TB is a true airborn pathagen. That means it is spread when an infected person coughs, sneezes, talks or sings.. The virus can float in the air for several hours.. Meaning if someone was in an elevator an hour before you? You could get in that elevator and catch TB.. TB spreads most in densely populated areas.. so big cities are the most dangerous. Anyone here from a large city? TB is more prevalent in foreign born people.. Perhaps we shouldn't allow anyone into the USA..
 
A lot more people are surviving TB then dying from it. We don't have enough people that have ebola in the US to compare a "survival rate", all we have is what we see in Africa.

And just because people disagree with you QS, it doesn't mean they are up in arms, or panicking. You're the only one that seems up in arms imo.
 
We don't have Liberal, selfish nurses and doctors going to foreign countries to treat and potentially bring back TB.

(and yes, they're selfish in the sense that they're concerned about the foreign country but don't care if they infect people in their own home country.)

QuickSilvet said:
Perhaps we shouldn't allow anyone into the USA.
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THERE you go! Certainly not anyone exposed to deadly diseases. Not without quarantines.
 
All I can say to that Sifuphil... considering that not a single one of us on this site would be here if the Native Americans were able to keep us out.. We brought diseases here... (measles come to mind) that nearly wiped out entire tribes. NOW all of a sudden we are afraid of everything.. Bunch of pansies we've become. Quick!!!! Run and hide under the bed til this is all over!!!!
 
QuickSilver said:
All I can say to that Sifuphil... considering that not a single one of us on this site would be here if the Native Americans were able to keep us out.. We brought diseases here... (measles come to mind) that nearly wiped out entire tribes. NOW all of a sudden we are afraid of everything.. Bunch of pansies we've become. Quick!!!! Run and hide under the bed til this is all over!!!!
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Sooo ... for whatever reason, you're in favor of ... going to extra lengths to import MORE deadly diseases?

Actually, I agree that this country has become weak in regards to health. It has fallen in love with crappy food, gotten rid of physical education in schools, given up walking and biking in favor of cars, become addicted to Rx drugs and running to the doctor whenever it has a sniffle, learned to spend it's life in a comfy chair in front of the TV and computer and "work" now equates to sitting for 8 hours a day.

But to actually WANT to add new, exotic diseases into such a weak society? That's just wrong. It smacks of ... dare I say it ...

... conspiracy. :cool:
 
Here's something to ponder Phil..... Ebola has been a problem in West Africa since 1976. The current deadly outbreak has been going on since March.. so 7 months. American Aid workers have been going to West Africa for years to treat victims of Ebola. Even more have gone in this year. SO.. How many Doctors, Nurses, and other healthcare workers have gone over there and returned to the US? Hundreds? More? How many US citizens have been infected by these returning workers? So where was your huge concern before the Media took over and blew this way out of proportion?
 
Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic

CDC Ebola (Ebola Virus Disease)2014 West Africa Outbreak MMWR Publications

Questions and Answers: Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic—Liberia and Sierra Leone, 2014–2015

Summary

This week’s MMWR, Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic—Liberia and Sierra Leone, 2014–2015, estimates the future number of cases if current trends continue. The MMWR also adjusts the number of cases based on estimated underreported cases.

By September 30, 2014, CDC estimates that there will be approximately 8,000 cases, or as high as 21,000 cases if corrections for underreporting are made.

Without additional interventions or changes in community behavior, CDC estimates that by January 20, 2015, there will be a total of approximately 550,000 Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone or 1.4 million if corrections for underreporting are made.
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Ebola Cases Could Reach 1.4 Million Within Four Months ...


Sep 23, 2014 - ....In the worst-case scenario, the two countries could have a total of 21,000 cases of Ebola by Sept. 30 and 1.4 million cases by Jan. 20 if the disease keeps spreading without effective methods to contain it. These figures take into account the fact that many cases go undetected, and estimate that there are actually 2.5 times as many as reported....
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Once again, it isn't the media giving us the bad news ... it is CDC.
 

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