Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

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Thousands of unaccompanied minors arrive at US-Mexico border as Border Patrol grapples with COVID-19 deaths
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Tue, December 8, 2020, 12:28 PM PST
The number of unaccompanied migrant children arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border has nearly doubled in recent weeks, and smugglers are using riskier tactics to get them across, a top U.S. Border Patrol official says.

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Aneeda72 said:
Then everyone without Native American Indian blood needs to leave, now.
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And why would that be? Were there Native American laws for immigration that were not followed? Every civilized nation has immigration law, so the USA is not unique in this regard. Just immigrate legally. My son-in-law entered the USA with a work visa and was here for several years before becoming a citizen last year. There are paths to citizenship that don't involve abandoning your children at the border.
 
Given the crime and poverty that exists in much of Central and South America, I can easily understand why so many try to migrate here. Much the same conditions exist in Europe with a constant flow of illegals from Africa and and the Middle East. In reality, these Latino's supply much of the labor that millions of our own people think isn't good enough for them.
Until the leaders of these poorer nations begin to serve their own people, instead of the drug king pins and wealthy, this flow will never stop.
 
Pepper said:
You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?
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If you mean coming legally to have a better life then no I don't blame them.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?

What I really don't understand is, so many countries south of the border have been as they are now. Why would a couple bring children into that kind of life. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply legally, pass the required entry for citizenship THEN have children.

Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.
 
C'est Moi said:
If they are doing so illegally, then yes. They can stay in their own country and "seek a better life" instead of sneaking in here, then waiving the flag of the country they abandoned.
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You have every right to hold that opinion. Immigrants have every right to try and risk their lives and safety to make their lives better. Millions have, even those who started out 'illegally.'
 
Knight said:
If you mean coming legally to have a better life then no I don't blame them.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?

What I really don't understand is, so many countries south of the border have been as they are now. Why would a couple bring children into that kind of life. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply legally, pass the required entry for citizenship THEN have children.

Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.
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No reason for you to be so hostile except it might be a personality trait that's hard to beat.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?
Only in your imagination.
What I really don't understand
You've been around a while, as we all have. Maybe try thinking without preconceived notions. No, not to change your mind but to see a point of view other than your own. Stretch yourself.
Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.
And why don't you stop making stuff up? Or are you just suggesting that.............:unsure:
 
C'est Moi said:
And why would that be? Were there Native American laws for immigration that were not followed? Every civilized nation has immigration law, so the USA is not unique in this regard. Just immigrate legally. My son-in-law entered the USA with a work visa and was here for several years before becoming a citizen last year. There are paths to citizenship that don't involve abandoning your children at the border.
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The land, known as the United States of America, was stolen by the invading populations of various nations. Therefore, IMO, we need an open door policy-especially for children. Due to forum regulations I cannot say more.
 
Knight said:
If you mean coming legally to have a better life then no I don't blame them.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?

What I really don't understand is, so many countries south of the border have been as they are now. Why would a couple bring children into that kind of life. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply legally, pass the required entry for citizenship THEN have children.

Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.
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🤦🏻‍♀️, ugh, just ugh, if only I could say what I am thinking.

@Knight are you under the impressions that thousands, if not millions, of Americans would not do this very thing if it were possible? Of course they would! It is just as hard to adopt as it is to cross the border.

My son, with Down Syndrome is white/Hispanic. My total care son is white/Shoshone. My daughter adopted a white/black child. Any child can be adopted, it’s the red tape that holds it up, and money. My daughter just adopted her GRANDDAUGHTER, it took two and half years, and thousands of dollars.

Just because you would not adopt a child does not mean that others would not no matter what their race. I, and my husband, would happily adopt any child offered at any border as would others.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Aneeda72 said:
I agreed and in a short amount of time! The wait, in terms of time, is far too long.
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Then everyone without Native American Indian blood needs to leave, now.
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Aunt Bea said:
IMO this topic is more about bad policy than it is about bad people.

We need to find a way to welcome and document these valuable human resources so that everyone involved can benefit legally.
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Pepper said:
You have every right to hold that opinion. Immigrants have every right to try and risk their lives and safety to make their lives better. Millions have, even those who started out 'illegally.'
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Are you saying that people from other countries have a right to enter the US as they see fit? That doesn't make sense. No other country in the world is asked to take on such a burden.
Pepper said:
You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?
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Aunt Bea said:
IMO this topic is more about bad policy than it is about bad people.

We need to find a way to welcome and document these valuable human resources so that everyone involved can benefit legally.
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Absolutely. There should be no borders and no immigration laws. Anybody who wants to come here should be welcomed. Made a citizen. Sent to school, with instruction in their native language. They should all vote.

Also, it should rain cheeseburgers. And we should all be really good looking. And nobody should have to die, ever.
 
@JimBob1952
Are you saying that people from other countries have a right to enter the US as they see fit? That doesn't make sense. No other country in the world is asked to take on such a burden.
Now why'd you go and do that? Say something so silly I mean. An immigrant, one who is fleeing intolerable conditions, gives themselves the sacred right of being human to alter their living conditions and To Live. Maybe you or a loved one some day may have to risk all to save their lives, if that's how they perceive it. Made perfect sense to my grandma fleeing a pogrom. Did I say that if a country feels so threatened by this that they institute laws against it is somehow illegal? No. You made that part up.

Plenty of countries are asked to take on such a burden. For goodness sake, man, BREXIT. Etc. Americans lately play the victim card. How snowflakian. Also unseemly.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Are you saying that people from other countries have a right to enter the US as they see fit? That doesn't make sense. No other country in the world is asked to take on such a burden.



Absolutely. There should be no borders and no immigration laws. Anybody who wants to come here should be welcomed. Made a citizen. Sent to school, with instruction in their native language. They should all vote.

Also, it should rain cheeseburgers. And we should all be really good looking. And nobody should have to die, ever.
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Yes it should rain cheeseburgers then we would have enough cheeseburgers for everyone. Everyone who wants to live a very long life should. My mother is 95 she would love forever if she could. Of course there should be borders, and immigration laws, but the laws should be reasonable.

And while we have been busy kicking people out other countries have been busy letting them in. My daughter quit doing foster care when her 12 year old foster daughter who had been raised in the US since she was an infant was deported to an orphanage in Mexico. The girl could not speak spanish. What future do you think she had there?
 
Pepper said:
@JimBob1952
Are you saying that people from other countries have a right to enter the US as they see fit? That doesn't make sense. No other country in the world is asked to take on such a burden.
Now why'd you go and do that? Say something so silly I mean. An immigrant, one who is fleeing intolerable conditions, gives themselves the sacred right of being human to alter their living conditions and To Live. Maybe you or a loved one some day may have to risk all to save their lives, if that's how they perceive it. Made perfect sense to my grandma fleeing a pogrom. Did I say that if a country feels so threatened by this that they institute laws against it is somehow illegal? No. You made that part up.

Plenty of countries are asked to take on such a burden. For goodness sake, man, BREXIT. Etc. Americans lately play the victim card. How snowflakian. Also unseemly.
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I so agree with you @Pepper-very unseemly, but for forum rules I would use different words.
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO this topic is more about bad policy than it is about bad people.

We need to find a way to welcome and document these valuable human resources so that everyone involved can benefit legally.
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This is the most sensible thing I've heard all day...maybe all week. Of course there have to be procedures in place, I don't think anyone is advocating open borders. But it's time for someone to look at our immigration policies with the wisdom of a good legal mind, and with compassion as well.
 
It's ridiculous that it takes 10 to 12 years from filing and application for citizenship to being granted citizenship. I won't even mention the cost but I will mention there are tens-of-thousands of predatory immigration attorneys. The citizenship process shouldn't take more than a year, 2 at most, and it didn't until the INS was merged with Homeland Security. The two do not communicate well and the INS (at least) is WAY understaffed. Cases are backed up by the thousands and hundreds of them get lost every year.

We have to streamline the citizenship process and make it more efficient.
 
Murrmurr said:
It's ridiculous that it takes 10 to 12 years from filing and application for citizenship to being granted citizenship. I won't even mention the cost but I will mention there are tens-of-thousands of predatory immigration attorneys. The citizenship process shouldn't take more than a year, 2 at most, and it didn't until the INS was merged with Homeland Security. The two do not communicate well and the INS (at least) is WAY understaffed. Cases are backed up by the thousands and hundreds of them get lost every year.

We have to streamline the citizenship process and make it more efficient.
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Would a quota system work to establish a limit? What about the children that are sent with no adult? What would a reasonable amount be considering the unemployment now & expected in the future?
 
Pepper said:
You have every right to hold that opinion. Immigrants have every right to try and risk their lives and safety to make their lives better. Millions have, even those who started out 'illegally.'
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How magnanimous of you. :rolleyes: And may I ask who grants immigrants "every right" to risk their lives and safety? And by the way, entering this country illegally is not their "right."
 

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