Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

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MarciKS said:
Do the immigrants pay taxes? If not which all the ones I know don't...then they are only adding to our financial issues such as SS problems.

We have enough people in the US. I think at some point we need to take care of our own. No offense.
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Most of them do pay taxes and, even, though they are here illegally they can collect social security since they paid into it. Many born here Americans refuse to pay there taxes or there fair share. I can think of one rich person who paid only 700 plus dollars in taxes. 😂😂😂
 

MarciKS said:
Well my question is this...what happens when we have too many immigrants and there's not enough jobs for us to take care of ourselves? Then what? At some point the population is gonna go bust.
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😂😂😂 Yeah, like that’s going to happen. How many people have picked crops other than their own? How many times have you passed by a commercial field of crops being picked by white Americans? How many office cleaners are young white Americans? Who do you think picks fruit off trees?

There are plenty of jobs that spoiled Americans of any color will not take or do. They current state of affairs may remind people that any job is better than no job.
 
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Murrmurr said:
I don't know. I'm not being glib, I just really don't know. The population is growing globally. Seems that at some point it'll all go bust. Maybe all we can hope for is that governments all over the world stop abusing their people. Problem is, that isn't likely to happen without intervention.
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I think the virus will inhibit population growth.
 
C'est Moi said:
Oh yes. Your responses are so deep and technical that I have to whip out my "Comprehension Quick Notes and Google Tips for Internet Bullies Primer" to keep up.

And letting our laws "take care of it" seems to be the issue. Illegals are willfully breaking the law of our country. Period.
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Yup, good for them.
 
This entire thread is fraught with inaccuracies and attempting to mix apples and oranges. As to us being invaded by other nations and simply marching those already here off to reservations or just shooting them, well, I suggest history be revisited. This was a continent largely unexplored and many came to it long before anyone even heard of Chris Columbus, etc. Of course the indigenous folks here were from somewhere else as well. It's a king of the hill situation back then. When we finally organized ourselves and became a nation of laws as prescribed by the Constitution, then whether anyone likes it or not, that's America. Love it or leave it. Yes, we have quotas, as does every civilized nation on the globe. We fought to make our country a better one at great sacrifice. Thus, I suggest those from other countries who are suffering, do likewise. Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see. Borders are necessary for obvious reasons. Not all illegals are Mexican by the way as was previously stated. Let the Human Rights Commission in the U. N. address the issues of the nations of the downtrodden and find a solution to their problems.
 
Aneeda72 said:
😂😂😂 Yeah, like that’s going to happen. How many people have picked crops other than their own? How many times have you passed by a commercial field of crops being picked by white Americans? How many office cleaners are young white Americans? Who do you think picks fruit off trees?

There are plenty of jobs that spoiled Americans of any color will not take or do. They current state of affairs may remind people that any job is better than no job.
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Oh that is so true!!! There is a foundry in our city that pays very well, will go and pick up workers if they have no means of transportation, and offers a great insurance plan. They STILL can’t get enough workers!!!! Granted Foundry work is hard, hot, honest labor...but still...where are all of those who are moaning and groaning that they can’t get jobs that pay well enough to put food on the table, pay the rent, and all of the other life necessities because they don’t have the education, transportation, or capability for what they refer to as “a real job!” This kind of stuff angers me beyond the boiling point. When our kids were younger we often worked two jobs, menial jobs, to provide the extra money needed. We weren’t too proud for hard work and we wouldn’t even dream of asking for assistance...still won’t to this day.
 
Lewkat said:
This entire thread is fraught with inaccuracies and attempting to mix apples and oranges. As to us being invaded by other nations and simply marching those already here off to reservations or just shooting them, well, I suggest history be revisited. This was a continent largely unexplored and many came to it long before anyone even heard of Chris Columbus, etc. Of course the indigenous folks here were from somewhere else as well. It's a king of the hill situation back then. When we finally organized ourselves and became a nation of laws as prescribed by the Constitution, then whether anyone likes it or not, that's America. Love it or leave it. Yes, we have quotas, as does every civilized nation on the globe. We fought to make our country a better one at great sacrifice. Thus, I suggest those from other countries who are suffering, do likewise. Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see. Borders are necessary for obvious reasons. Not all illegals are Mexican by the way as was previously stated. Let the Human Rights Commission in the U. N. address the issues of the nations of the downtrodden and find a solution to their problems.
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Exactly. Why is it always the job of the US to fix everyone else's problems when we can't even fix our own?
 
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jerry old said:
Were I a mexican national, you can bet- I too would be an illegal-it is wrong, but I would do it.
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Me too, jerry

I'm on all sides of this issue
My family is quite multinational

My son in law walked for several nights, barefoot, broken ankle, thru the desert, to get across the border
He's one helluva worker
Now has his own business
Still illegal, but working on that.....it takes time....lots of time

His son, my wonderful grandson is in the US Army
...and is one helluva man
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and a father

my great grand;

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Sure, we shouldn't have an open border
But, we need to dedicate our energy more toward a constructive formula
One that doesn't involve incarceration
 
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Lewkat said:
This entire thread is fraught with inaccuracies and attempting to mix apples and oranges. As to us being invaded by other nations and simply marching those already here off to reservations or just shooting them, well, I suggest history be revisited. This was a continent largely unexplored and many came to it long before anyone even heard of Chris Columbus, etc. Of course the indigenous folks here were from somewhere else as well. It's a king of the hill situation back then. When we finally organized ourselves and became a nation of laws as prescribed by the Constitution, then whether anyone likes it or not, that's America. Love it or leave it. Yes, we have quotas, as does every civilized nation on the globe. We fought to make our country a better one at great sacrifice. Thus, I suggest those from other countries who are suffering, do likewise. Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see. Borders are necessary for obvious reasons. Not all illegals are Mexican by the way as was previously stated. Let the Human Rights Commission in the U. N. address the issues of the nations of the downtrodden and find a solution to their problems.
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Good point. I’ve always believed in the “united we stand, divided we fall” thing which is what scares me the most about where the United States is headed now. The division isn’t coming from outside our borders, we are doing it to ourselves. Starting with the politicians, then ALL the people who liv here, BETTER start pulling together before we reach the point of no return.
 
Gary O' said:
Me too, jerry

I'm on all sides of this issue
My family is quite multinational

My son in law walked for several nights, barefoot, broken ankle, to get across the border
He's one helluva worker
Now has his own business
Still illegal, but working on that.....it takes time....lots of time

His son, my wonderful grandson is in the US Army
...and is one helluva man
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and a father

my great grand;

vZUY07k.jpg



Sure, we shouldn't have an open border
But, we need to dedicate our energy more toward a constructive formula
One that doesn't involve incarceration
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Proud of your son-in-law and grandson💕
 
Lewkat said:
This entire thread is fraught with inaccuracies and attempting to mix apples and oranges. As to us being invaded by other nations and simply marching those already here off to reservations or just shooting them, well, I suggest history be revisited. This was a continent largely unexplored and many came to it long before anyone even heard of Chris Columbus, etc. Of course the indigenous folks here were from somewhere else as well. It's a king of the hill situation back then. When we finally organized ourselves and became a nation of laws as prescribed by the Constitution, then whether anyone likes it or not, that's America. Love it or leave it. Yes, we have quotas, as does every civilized nation on the globe. We fought to make our country a better one at great sacrifice. Thus, I suggest those from other countries who are suffering, do likewise. Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see. Borders are necessary for obvious reasons. Not all illegals are Mexican by the way as was previously stated. Let the Human Rights Commission in the U. N. address the issues of the nations of the downtrodden and find a solution to their problems.
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I suppose I am one of the bleeding hearts you are referring too. I could pull up my genealogy, list all the veterans, in my direct line, with all the veterans in your direct line, and see which of our families bled more defending the USofA. Pretty sure my family will win. I served in the Army.

I have adopted two multi race disabled children.

My total care disabled son was denied access to Head Start because he was DISABLED. I filed a complaint under the Americans with Disability Act. Because of my complaint, and the proof provided, from that time forward every single disabled child in my state gained access to the Head Start Program, including my son. It is the bleeding hearts that change the world, and the nay sayers that accomplish nothing. Again, forum rules constraint my response.

I bleed red, white, and blue, as does my family. Your ignorant statement “Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see”, is ignorant, inaccurate, and insulting; to me personally and to all the doers on the forum.

Since you are not a bleeding heart, do tell us what you have done to improve your fellow Americans way of life?
 
jerry old said:
Question-When the parent's drop off the kids at the border and split-where do they go: they assume the U S A will do
something with these children-would you drop off your children hoping they are cared for?

The 'dreamers' are older, able to understand, their dreams are not yet extinguished.

WE have Laws, other's obey them, how do the Mexican's get a free 'get out of jail' card?

It's just a damn mess, heartbreaking, but, but why should they, as illegals'' be treated any different because their children?

Were I a mexican national, you can bet- I too would be an illegal-it is wrong, but I would do it.

It's just a damn mess! a damn mess! you want to be the one that sends these kids back?
A mess, i say, a damn mess.
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My question is why illegal? Why not take the legal route? That's what it's there for.
 
Kathleen’s Place said:
Oh that is so true!!! There is a foundry in our city that pays very well, will go and pick up workers if they have no means of transportation, and offers a great insurance plan. They STILL can’t get enough workers!!!! Granted Foundry work is hard, hot, honest labor...but still...where are all of those who are moaning and groaning that they can’t get jobs that pay well enough to put food on the table, pay the rent, and all of the other life necessities because they don’t have the education, transportation, or capability for what they refer to as “a real job!” This kind of stuff angers me beyond the boiling point. When our kids were younger we often worked two jobs, menial jobs, to provide the extra money needed. We weren’t too proud for hard work and we wouldn’t even dream of asking for assistance...still won’t to this day.
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In the early days I worked at a hospital cleaning toilets and later as a maid. A job is a job.
 
MarciKS said:
Then why isn't their own government dealing with and fixing these issues? Why is it always the responsibility of the US to take them in and provide for them?
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Have you seen their 'government'?
Federales ARE the problem.

A friend of mine has a business in Tecate
Every peso of the raise he gives his employees (to keep them) is taken by the Mexican 'government'

It's a hopeless situation
Work hard
Stay poor
 
Aneeda72 said:
The legal route takes 10 to 20 years, that’s why.
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I once asked that same question of a woman who openly admitted that her family had arrived here "illegally." She said they tried to do it legally, and the hurdles, and the incredibly long waiting period, were insurmountable. The system was rigged against them from the start. My solution would be to make it easier for people to get here legally, period. They are not criminals or psychopaths? They want desperately to become Americans, and are coming here to work, not to commit crimes, as politicians have suggested to advance their own agendas? In the name of common humanity, let them in!

BTW, most of the same objections and fears raised against those coming up through Mexico, have been used in the past, against the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, the Polish, you name it. They talk funny. They look funny. They even smell funny. They aren't one of us. They have a crime syndicate. They are here to steal, rape, commit murder.

The Blacks can't be accused of sneaking into the country to do harm, as their ancestors were dragged here in chains. But the same crowd who are raising all these ridiculous fears about the immigrants didn't exactly welcome the Blacks either, except to use them as free labor. Sadly, some things never change.
 
What you fail to see is that many of these minors are being trafficked and will wind up in prostitution or porn. Hardly an opportunity for a better life.

i have to have a passport even to travel to Canada. Immigration law applies to me. Why shouldn’t it apply to someone from Guatemala?
 

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