Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

[JimBob1952]

It's called Human Rights, the rights we give ourselves if what we are facing is intolerable to ourselves. It's the choices we make or feel forced to make. It's the freedom we may give ourselves to give it a shot. It's the pioneer spirit. It's apparently beyond your comprehension.

Since it's legally not their right, I'll let our laws and our peace officers take care of it. By the way, most enter this country on a tourist visa and 'overstay.' They're not climbing walls or crossing rivers, they're boarding airplanes with legal documentation.

If they "overstay" they are here illegally. It's a distinction without a difference.

@JimBob1952
Are you saying that people from other countries have a right to enter the US as they see fit? That doesn't make sense. No other country in the world is asked to take on such a burden.
Now why'd you go and do that? Say something so silly I mean. An immigrant, one who is fleeing intolerable conditions, gives themselves the sacred right of being human to alter their living conditions and To Live. Maybe you or a loved one some day may have to risk all to save their lives, if that's how they perceive it. Made perfect sense to my grandma fleeing a pogrom. Did I say that if a country feels so threatened by this that they institute laws against it is somehow illegal? No. You made that part up.

Plenty of countries are asked to take on such a burden. For goodness sake, man, BREXIT. Etc. Americans lately play the victim card. How snowflakian. Also unseemly.

Well, obviously you have no sympathy for the plight of poor people in the US. Because an influx of low-skilled immigrants drives their wages down. This is especially tough on black men -- most of whom have a high school diploma or less -- but that doesn't seem to register with the open borders folks.

 

[Sunny]

JimBob, they are desperately needed here, to do the work that Americans don't want to do. They are not taking any jobs away from anybody, that's a fiction that has been propagated by those who don't want them here, period.

Who do you think is picking the crops you've been eating for umpteen years now?

 

[JimBob1952]

JimBob, they are desperately needed here, to do the work that Americans don't want to do. They are not taking any jobs away from anybody, that's a fiction that has been propagated by those who don't want them here, period.

Who do you think is picking the crops you've been eating for umpteen years now?

If illegals weren't here, the wages would go up and "Americans" would be willing to do these jobs.

I respect the work ethic and the decency and humanity of the vast majority of illegal immigrants. Most mean no harm and they just want to help themselves and their families. But they clearly depress wages paid for unskilled jobs.

Supply and demand isn't politics, it's just the way the world works.

 

[JimBob1952]

This is from a 2010 report from the US Commission on Civil Rights:


Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as
much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has
tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found
also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are
disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with
immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to
significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects
as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction.

 

[Lewkat]

I suppose I am one of the bleeding hearts you are referring too. I could pull up my genealogy, list all the veterans, in my direct line, with all the veterans in your direct line, and see which of our families bled more defending the USofA. Pretty sure my family will win. I served in the Army.

I have adopted two multi race disabled children.

My total care disabled son was denied access to Head Start because he was DISABLED. I filed a complaint under the Americans with Disability Act. Because of my complaint, and the proof provided, from that time forward every single disabled child in my state gained access to the Head Start Program, including my son. It is the bleeding hearts that change the world, and the nay sayers that accomplish nothing. Again, forum rules constraint my response.

I bleed red, white, and blue, as does my family. Your ignorant statement “Bleeding hearts have all the answers but never do a thing to improve what wrongs they see”, is ignorant, inaccurate, and insulting; to me personally and to all the doers on the forum.

Since you are not a bleeding heart, do tell us what you have done to improve your fellow Americans way of life?

My statement is no more ignorant than what you just posted regarding about defending the USofA. My family arrived in this country in 1650 and we have served in every war except Afghanistan, which includes myself. I am a Korean War Vet.

As for your disabled son and the Head Start Program, sad as that situation is, it has nothing to do with this illegal immigration thread.

As for improving my fellow Americans way of life, I have dedicated my self to improving their health care through healing and curing from life through death. It is a profession of self sacrifice and many a drop of sweat and tears have been expressed in doing so.

I have adopted immigrant families getting them settled, jobs and on the path to citizenship and enjoying good health and education.

For the nonce, this is sufficient as any other difficulties, I may have personally faced is not my idea of trying to elicit sympathy for my situation.

I believe in the Theodore Roosevelt mantra. Come to this country, learn the language, get a job and become a citizen.

 

[MarciKS]

Their English is sketchy at best. It's difficult to work with someone who doesn't understand enough english to comprehend what you're telling them.

 

[Pepper]

While you gave interesting facts, @JimBob1952 which I already knew btw, you're not seeing the situation realistically, but how you would like it to be.

Immigrants are going to come. They couldn't care less about your facts. In my area it is Russians, Ukrainians, other Eastern bloc, and a few blocks north, the Chinese. "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" Nope, they are already here. No one asked me. No one asked you. It was all politics and has naught to do with what the general public wants. I'm an expert on Russian immigration and how it has affected our native Hispanic (Puerto Ricans) and black populations.

Why you appear to label me as something which you can't possibly know is annoying to me. Please stop. You have made assumptions before. It is anal. Yup. That's what it is. I assume, based on your desire to stamp a label and put everything in it's place, where it ought to be.

Much of life is nothing where it ought to be.

There is a new industry here. Pregnant women coming in from China, Russia, you name it to give birth here. It is called Birth Tourism. It costs a lot of money. None of these mothers are Hispanic.

 

[Sunny]

A while back, I read a book (I wish I could remember the name) about immigration to this country around the turn of the century. It told in detail about the physical and emotional hardships faced by all those immigrants, no matter where they came from. What jumped out at me was the similarity to the nasty greetings the current wave of immigrants are getting. Every single accusation that is leveled against the Hispanics was used against every other ethnic group. The Jews were particularly hated. Most of them spoke no English, they appeared unkempt, "dirty," crude, etc. by the standards of the day. Not to mention being the "wrong" religion. Yet it took them one generation, or less, to completely assimilate.

There were the infamous "No Irish need apply" signs at workplaces. And lots of prejudice against every other group. The usual complaint, aside from trumped-up charges of criminal behavior, etc. was that they were taking jobs away from "real" Americans. But they were real Americans. They couldn't wait to become citizens, and virtually all of them did.

What is particularly ironic is that the people doing the loudest hollering about all these terrible immigrants see nothing wrong with the fact that their forbears literally stole this country from the Indians. Maybe somebody should "send them back."

 

[DonnyO]

The thread is about illegal immigrants crossing our borders illegaly. Not legal immigrants who come here legally.

 

[C'est Moi]

The thread is about illegal immigrants crossing our borders illegaly. Not legal immigrants who come here legally.

Exactly. And people seem to miss the fact that LEGAL immigrants are welcome. As for the unskilled workforce, they can get green cards to enter the USA for work. That's the route my son-in-law took; he came here to work, legally. Now he's an American citizen.

And to those making the Russian, Italian, blah, blah argument... I don't believe anyone has stated that ALL illegals are hispanic. It's just that they make up the majority. (Do you see street signs in Russian, or do you get the "Press 1 for Russian" option? No, I didn't think so.)

 

[C'est Moi]

Really, ever watch a cowboys and Indian show? Americans, AMERICANS were putting the indigenous people, native Americans of various tribes, onto reservations long after the their land was stolen by Europeans. Moving them, always moving them, to lands unwanted by so-called AMERICANS.

So I AM speaking of American citizens, who continued to steal the land of Native American Indians non stop and, as far as I know, continue to steal it today.

Oh yes, I depend on Roy Rogers for my history lessons. Thanks.

 

[Shalimar]

What you fail to see is that many of these minors are being trafficked and will wind up in prostitution or porn. Hardly an opportunity for a better life.

i have to have a passport even to travel to Canada. Immigration law applies to me. Why shouldn’t it apply to someone from Guatemala?

You don’t require a passport to enter Canada, but America requires you have one to return

 

[Chet]

A while back, I read a book (I wish I could remember the name) about immigration to this country around the turn of the century. It told in detail about the physical and emotional hardships faced by all those immigrants, no matter where they came from. What jumped out at me was the similarity to the nasty greetings the current wave of immigrants are getting. Every single accusation that is leveled against the Hispanics was used against every other ethnic group. The Jews were particularly hated. Most of them spoke no English, they appeared unkempt, "dirty," crude, etc. by the standards of the day. Not to mention being the "wrong" religion. Yet it took them one generation, or less, to completely assimilate.

There were the infamous "No Irish need apply" signs at workplaces. And lots of prejudice against every other group. The usual complaint, aside from trumped-up charges of criminal behavior, etc. was that they were taking jobs away from "real" Americans. But they were real Americans. They couldn't wait to become citizens, and virtually all of them did.

What is particularly ironic is that the people doing the loudest hollering about all these terrible immigrants see nothing wrong with the fact that their forbears literally stole this country from the Indians. Maybe somebody should "send them back."

Those you wrote about came here legally just like both sets of my grandparents by way of Ellis Island. They followed all the rules, they took an oath of allegiance, then they worked the mines and fought the wars. I welcome all who follow when done legally.

 

[Pete]

You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?

I would never blame anyone for wanting to have a better life.... but like my grandparents who were immigrants there is a right way and an illegal way.

 

[Aneeda72]

Oh yes, I depend on Roy Rogers for my history lessons. Thanks.

You are most welcome

 

[Knight]

Hiring thousands more people @ INS would help immensely.

if nothing else that would help thousands to get a job. Then there are the taxes (federal, local & state could collect from employees . Toss in the infrastructure to get it up & running & even continue a lot more people would be employed.

The only caveat I can think of is those would all be federal employees paid by the taxes collected from those like me retired and those still working in private industry or self employed.

I prefer the system of applying for citizenship 1st. rather than invading so that another government agency doesn't become another anchor around the middle class neck.

 

[Aneeda72]

If they "overstay" they are here illegally. It's a distinction without a difference.




Well, obviously you have no sympathy for the plight of poor people in the US. Because an influx of low-skilled immigrants drives their wages down. This is especially tough on black men -- most of whom have a high school diploma or less -- but that doesn't seem to register with the open borders folks.

You are incorrect, when someone makes a minimum wage it does not go lower. Most low-skilled people make minimum wage which is set by law.

 

[Knight]

Like they do crossing Mexico. I think a lot of the concern could be eliminated if rail roads that cross the Canadian border would allow the thousands the want to come north for a better life be able to ride on top of boxcars to the various Canadian entry points.

I like what Shalimar posted.
You don’t require a passport to enter Canada, but America requires you have one to return.

Once in Canada they would need a passport to come back across.

 

[Aneeda72]

Like they do crossing Mexico. I think a lot of the concern could be eliminated if rail roads that cross the Canadian border would allow the thousands the want to come north for a better life be able to ride on top of boxcars to the various Canadian entry points.

Surprisingly enough, people come and stay illegally from Canada. I had a friend who could not apply for a drivers license with the change in laws. She had lived her since she was 16 but with the change in the laws she would be deported. She was 65 last time I saw her.

 

[Aneeda72]

My statement is no more ignorant than what you just posted regarding about defending the USofA. My family arrived in this country in 1650 and we have served in every war except Afghanistan, which includes myself. I am a Korean War Vet.

As for your disabled son and the Head Start Program, sad as that situation is, it has nothing to do with this illegal immigration thread.

As for improving my fellow Americans way of life, I have dedicated my self to improving their health care through healing and curing from life through death. It is a profession of self sacrifice and many a drop of sweat and tears have been expressed in doing so.

I have adopted immigrant families getting them settled, jobs and on the path to citizenship and enjoying good health and education.

For the nonce, this is sufficient as any other difficulties, I may have personally faced is not my idea of trying to elicit sympathy for my situation.

I believe in the Theodore Roosevelt mantra. Come to this country, learn the language, get a job and become a citizen.

Thanks for answering the question. Seems we might be even in the veterans category . One of my fathers family members was with Washington at Delaware, when that was. I am not going to look it up.

What I said does belong here as much as your claim that bleeding hearts do nothing. I, like you, will not list everything I’ve done. If what you said about bleeding hearts was meant towards me, and I believe it was and you didn’t deny this.

Then I DECIDE if I was insulted or not. I was insulted. You don’t get to decide how I or anyone else feels about your insulting, disrespectful remark.

 

[Pepper]

I would never blame anyone for wanting to have a better life.... but like my grandparents who were immigrants there is a right way and an illegal way.

When you're desperate, you take chances.

 

[MarciKS]

When you're desperate, you take chances.

Yes but this particular pursuit can end in death for either side which is not good.

 

[AnnieA]

When you're desperate, you take chances.

Trouble is, if it's not legal, who's to know what 'desperate' means? One woman I saw interviewed at the Mexican border said she left Guatemala because her electricity bill kept increasing. She looked extremely well fed as well.

 

[JimBob1952]

While you gave interesting facts, @JimBob1952 which I already knew btw, you're not seeing the situation realistically, but how you would like it to be.

Immigrants are going to come. They couldn't care less about your facts. In my area it is Russians, Ukrainians, other Eastern bloc, and a few blocks north, the Chinese. "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" Nope, they are already here. No one asked me. No one asked you. It was all politics and has naught to do with what the general public wants. I'm an expert on Russian immigration and how it has affected our native Hispanic (Puerto Ricans) and black populations.

Why you appear to label me as something which you can't possibly know is annoying to me. Please stop. You have made assumptions before. It is anal. Yup. That's what it is. I assume, based on your desire to stamp a label and put everything in it's place, where it ought to be.

Much of life is nothing where it ought to be.

There is a new industry here. Pregnant women coming in from China, Russia, you name it to give birth here. It is called Birth Tourism. It costs a lot of money. None of these mothers are Hispanic.

While you gave interesting facts, @JimBob1952 which I already knew btw, you're not seeing the situation realistically, but how you would like it to be.

Immigrants are going to come. They couldn't care less about your facts. In my area it is Russians, Ukrainians, other Eastern bloc, and a few blocks north, the Chinese. "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" Nope, they are already here. No one asked me. No one asked you. It was all politics and has naught to do with what the general public wants. I'm an expert on Russian immigration and how it has affected our native Hispanic (Puerto Ricans) and black populations.

Why you appear to label me as something which you can't possibly know is annoying to me. Please stop. You have made assumptions before. It is anal. Yup. That's what it is. I assume, based on your desire to stamp a label and put everything in it's place, where it ought to be.

Much of life is nothing where it ought to be.

There is a new industry here. Pregnant women coming in from China, Russia, you name it to give birth here. It is called Birth Tourism. It costs a lot of money. None of these mothers are Hispanic.

While you gave interesting facts, @JimBob1952 which I already knew btw, you're not seeing the situation realistically, but how you would like it to be.

Immigrants are going to come. They couldn't care less about your facts. In my area it is Russians, Ukrainians, other Eastern bloc, and a few blocks north, the Chinese. "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" Nope, they are already here. No one asked me. No one asked you. It was all politics and has naught to do with what the general public wants. I'm an expert on Russian immigration and how it has affected our native Hispanic (Puerto Ricans) and black populations.

Why you appear to label me as something which you can't possibly know is annoying to me. Please stop. You have made assumptions before. It is anal. Yup. That's what it is. I assume, based on your desire to stamp a label and put everything in it's place, where it ought to be.

Much of life is nothing where it ought to be.

There is a new industry here. Pregnant women coming in from China, Russia, you name it to give birth here. It is called Birth Tourism. It costs a lot of money. None of these mothers are Hispanic.

Since I seem to irritate you so much -- to the point where you are calling me anal, a snowflake and other unpleasantries -- I suggest you use the "ignore" button and filter out my comments. I've used it on a couple of other SF folks and it works like a charm.

 

[Pepper]

Since I seem to irritate you so much -- to the point where you are calling me anal, a snowflake and other unpleasantries -- I suggest you use the "ignore" button and filter out my comments. I've used it on a couple of other SF folks and it works like a charm.

Never! I You!

Ps--Everyone eventually irritates me, except my grandson.