Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

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Murrmurr said:
Hiring thousands more people @ INS would help immensely.
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Sure, sure. The USA is flush with cash... jobs for everyone!! Don't worry about all the restaurants, hotels, tourist industry, retail stores, etc. that are hanging on by a thread due to a pandemic. Let's hire more INS agents. What a plan.
 

C'est Moi said:
And why would that be? Were there Native American laws for immigration that were not followed? Every civilized nation has immigration law, so the USA is not unique in this regard. Just immigrate legally. My son-in-law entered the USA with a work visa and was here for several years before becoming a citizen last year. There are paths to citizenship that don't involve abandoning your children at the border.
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We didn't worry about immigration laws, we just killed the ones that got in our way, or marched them onto "reservations."
 
Butterfly said:
We didn't worry about immigration laws, we just killed the ones that got in our way, or marched them onto "reservations."
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Who is this "we" you speak of? The British? The French? The Spanish? In case you have forgotten history, that's the way it worked back then. The countries/empires with the biggest armies took the lands they wanted. So tell it to someone who doesn't understand how this all came to be.
 

There aren’t any easy answers to this one, are there. Of course we want to help as many as we can. But how many can we take in and still maintain a goid life for all? And how do we vet those who truly need our country for a better life, from those who want to come here for less than stellar reasons? Back in the day, didn’t immigrants have to have a sponsor here in the states, who would take responsibility for their food and shelter until they could get on their feet? As much as it scares me a bit to think of bad who are coming in here along with the good, I surely pray there would be a safe haven for us somewhere if the shoe were on the other foot 💕
 
MarciKS said:
Do the immigrants pay taxes? If not which all the ones I know don't...then they are only adding to our financial issues such as SS problems.

We have enough people in the US. I think at some point we need to take care of our own. No offense.
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If they work and they're not paid under-the-table, then they pay taxes.

There's a lot of wasted spending in border security. Billions annually. INS alone wastes millions annually on duplicate processes and file shifting and putting cases on hold for years for no reason that has any basis in law. When you apply for citizenship, you’re interviewed at the same INS office 3 times. These interviews take place 3 to 4 years apart and are the same interview – all the same questions, you’re asked for the same documents (birth certs and etc), you’re given the same paperwork at the end of it and you get a very similar letter some weeks later. Why?

Over a billion dollars is wasted on detention costs. As bad, the vast majority of border enforcement money is spent on the areas between ports of entry, yet the number of people trying to cross in those areas is at its lowest since 1972. While “we” have been obsessed with beefing up security between the official ports of entry, the entry points themselves go unprotected despite the fact that about 90% of illegal drug smuggling is done through ports of entry, and a mere 10% through the areas between. Border Patrol spending should reflect current security needs. Focus on effective programs and trash the rest. That would save billions that could be used to overhaul and streamline immigration services.

It used to be that when you applied for citizenship, you were enrolled in classes that taught you how to do stuff like hail a cab, use public transportation, recognize road signs, etc. You learned history and how gov't works...all kinds of stuff; basically how to be a good citizen. My grandfather loved those classes and was so freaking proud when he finished. I'd like to see that come back.
 
Murrmurr said:
If they work and they're not paid under-the-table, then they pay taxes.

There's a lot of wasted spending in border security. Billions annually. INS alone wastes millions annually on duplicate processes and file shifting and putting cases on hold for years for no reason that has any basis in law. When you apply for citizenship, you’re interviewed at the same INS office 3 times. These interviews take place 3 to 4 years apart and are the same interview – all the same questions, you’re asked for the same documents (birth certs and etc), you’re given the same paperwork at the end of it and you get a very similar letter some weeks later. Why?

Over a billion dollars is wasted on detention costs. As bad, the vast majority of border enforcement money is spent on the areas between ports of entry, yet the number of people trying to cross in those areas is at its lowest since 1972. While “we” have been obsessed with beefing up security between the official ports of entry, the entry points themselves go unprotected despite the fact that about 90% of illegal drug smuggling is done through ports of entry, and a mere 10% through the areas between. Border Patrol spending should reflect current security needs. Focus on effective programs and trash the rest. That would save billions that could be used to overhaul and streamline immigration services.

It used to be that when you applied for citizenship, you were enrolled in classes that taught you how to do stuff like hail a cab, use public transportation, recognize road signs, etc. You learned history and how gov't works...all kinds of stuff; basically how to be a good citizen. My grandfather loved those classes and was so freaking proud when he finished. I'd like to see that come back.
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Well my question is this...what happens when we have too many immigrants and there's not enough jobs for us to take care of ourselves? Then what? At some point the population is gonna go bust.
 
MarciKS said:
Well my question is this...what happens when we have too many immigrants and there's not enough jobs for us to take care of ourselves? Then what? At some point the population is gonna go bust.
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I don't know. I'm not being glib, I just really don't know. The population is growing globally. Seems that at some point it'll all go bust. Maybe all we can hope for is that governments all over the world stop abusing their people. Problem is, that isn't likely to happen without intervention.
 
C'est Moi said:
How magnanimous of you. :rolleyes: And may I ask who grants immigrants "every right" to risk their lives and safety? And by the way, entering this country illegally is not their "right."
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It's called Human Rights, the rights we give ourselves if what we are facing is intolerable to ourselves. It's the choices we make or feel forced to make. It's the freedom we may give ourselves to give it a shot. It's the pioneer spirit. It's apparently beyond your comprehension.

Since it's legally not their right, I'll let our laws and our peace officers take care of it. By the way, most enter this country on a tourist visa and 'overstay.' They're not climbing walls or crossing rivers, they're boarding airplanes with legal documentation.
 
Pepper said:
It's called Human Rights, the rights we give ourselves if what we are facing is intolerable to ourselves. It's the choices we make or feel forced to make. It's the freedom we may give ourselves to give it a shot. It's the pioneer spirit. It's apparently beyond your comprehension.

Since it's legally not their right, I'll let our laws and our peace officers take care of it. By the way, most enter this country on a tourist visa and 'overstay.' They're not climbing walls or crossing rivers, they're boarding airplanes with legal documentation.
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Oh yes. Your responses are so deep and technical that I have to whip out my "Comprehension Quick Notes and Google Tips for Internet Bullies Primer" to keep up.

And letting our laws "take care of it" seems to be the issue. Illegals are willfully breaking the law of our country. Period.
 
C'est Moi said:
Oh yes. Your responses are so deep and technical that I have to whip out my "Comprehension Quick Notes and Google Tips for Internet Bullies Primer" to keep up.
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Oh, you don't understand yourself either? We could keep this up forever. You'll never stop. You must have the last word. All the time. One way to prove me wrong. Don't answer me, okay? You're tedious, tough girl.
 
I think what's not being addressed by our government is the indisputable fact that given the technology available to all levels of not only American law enforcement but international law enforcement eradication of all methods of the tax free lucrative black market contraband is the annual global hundred billion dollar plus candy dish. Everybody is in the bed of corruption from the C.I.A on down to the nickel and dime street corner crack dealer. I just posted a thread about Interpol and one of the articles mentioned the seizure of 52 tons of cocaine. Not 52 pounds, 52 tons. Now just how could 52 tons of high grade toot travel from the Eastern Hemisphere to the Western Hemisphere undetected?

The biggest insult to the American public was the hundred million dollar "White House Office of Drug Control Policy" truly one of our governments most corrupt planned failures to date. Unaccountable fingers in that pie while Nancy Reagan whistled Dixie. Just say No. Like that would have a major impact in HIDTA areas. The movie "Traffic" was one of the most accurate portrayals of historic global corruption and just how things really work in the world of the black market. Human trafficking is nothing new. Human trafficking got it's origins when the slave ships dropped anchor on our Eastern shores. Probably earlier then that.
 
Pepper said:
You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?
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The thing that intrigues me is the fact that all the countries in the world which have a predominantly white population are stable, successful countries. Now why is that? If other nationalities envy us so much, why can't they stay at home and make their own countries as stable and successful as we are? Then there would be no need for immigration, legal or illegal.
 
Rosemarie said:
The thing that intrigues me is the fact that all the countries in the world which have a predominantly white population are stable, successful countries. Now why is that? If other nationalities envy us so much, why can't they stay at home and make their own countries as stable and successful as we are? Then there would be no need for immigration, legal or illegal.
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Umm, not at the moment. Currently, America is experiencing some very unstable times. I truly hope things improve. ❤️
 
Rosemarie, I was referring to the civil unrest tied to the untimely deaths of certain African Americans shot by law enforcement. (There was also a thwarted attempt to kidnap a Governor.) I believe this speaks to internal attitudes rather than anything external. Due to the policy on Politics, I cannot say more.
 
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Question-When the parent's drop off the kids at the border and split-where do they go: they assume the U S A will do
something with these children-would you drop off your children hoping they are cared for?

The 'dreamers' are older, able to understand, their dreams are not yet extinguished.

WE have Laws, other's obey them, how do the Mexican's get a free 'get out of jail' card?

It's just a damn mess, heartbreaking, but, but why should they, as illegals'' be treated any different because their children?

Were I a mexican national, you can bet- I too would be an illegal-it is wrong, but I would do it.

It's just a damn mess! a damn mess! you want to be the one that sends these kids back?
A mess, i say, a damn mess.
 
Knight said:
Would a quota system work to establish a limit? What about the children that are sent with no adult? What would a reasonable amount be considering the unemployment now & expected in the future?
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Why would there need to be a limit? We have almost lost 300,000 to the virus with all the other deaths due to all the other causes and the virus deaths are rising. Plenty of room for more people. Unemployment is regional.
 
C'est Moi said:
Who is this "we" you speak of? The British? The French? The Spanish? In case you have forgotten history, that's the way it worked back then. The countries/empires with the biggest armies took the lands they wanted. So tell it to someone who doesn't understand how this all came to be.
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Really, ever watch a cowboys and Indian show? Americans, AMERICANS were putting the indigenous people, native Americans of various tribes, onto reservations long after the their land was stolen by Europeans. Moving them, always moving them, to lands unwanted by so-called AMERICANS.

So I AM speaking of American citizens, who continued to steal the land of Native American Indians non stop and, as far as I know, continue to steal it today.
 

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