Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

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Trouble is, if it's not legal, who's to know what 'desperate' means? One woman I saw interviewed at the Mexican border said she left Guatemala because her electricity bill kept increasing. She looked extremely well fed as well.
OMGosh a lot of people who are starving “look” well fed. Starving babies have huge bellies. Starving people, and starving people in the USA, look overweight as they eat a lot of potatoes and other starchy foods, which are a cheap food. Looks mean nothing.

Just like the guy who drives up in a Mercedes to the food bank, so what, people lose their houses and live in their cars. Looks mean nothing.
 

OMGosh a lot of people who are starving “look” well fed. Starving babies have huge bellies. Starving people, and starving people in the USA, look overweight as they eat a lot of potatoes and other starchy foods, which are a cheap food. Looks mean nothing.

Just like the guy who drives up in a Mercedes to the food bank, so what, people lose their houses and live in their cars. Looks mean nothing.

Did you miss the point that she was attempting an illegal act in the US because her utility bills went up in Guatemala? If my utility bills go up, is it okay for me to violate federal laws?
 

Did you miss the point that she was attempting an illegal act in the US because her utility bills went up in Guatemala? If my utility bills go up, is it okay for me to violate federal laws?
It’s ok for you to move to Guatemala if you want but, apparently, you won’t save money on your electric bill. 🤣
 
As I see it, some people sneak into the US, and a strange thing happens. They don't starve to death. Even when it is "illegal" to hire them, they find jobs. Yeah, they are crummy jobs, with crummy wages- but they are hired. So, there is a economic need for people desperate enough to take crummy jobs at crummy pay. The problem seems to be that no one respects that laws of the US-not the people sneaking into the US, nor those hiring them. We could continue pretending that this is not happening. Our immigration laws have to be flexible to enough to increase in times of great desperation to the extent that their numbers can be absorbed into the economy.
 
Did you read all the comments prior to my making the bleeding hearts comment, Aneeda? If you wish to be insulted, so be it.
I did Read the whole thing.

I appreciate your giving me permission to be insulted, but I don’t need your permission for that either. We disagree on this issue, I feel you insulted and disrespected me, by the bleeding heart comment. And I agree, I am a bleeding heart about most everything, but I don’t sit back and do nothing. “Fight, fight, against the dying of the light.”

I also saw my ten month old illegal Mexican foster baby returned to Mexico before he could get eye or open heart surgery. It breaks my heart. I know he died. It was the second time he and his mother survived the journey. His mother was returned earlier to Mexico. My adopted son’s Hispanic mother put him up for adoption right away. We received him at six weeks of age directly from the ICU, smarter biological mother.

But please keep in mind this disagreement does not in anyway mean that I like you less, cause I like you a lot, I read your posts, and appreciate and mostly agree with them. I just wanted to make this clear: I never hold even a small grudge and others have said worst things directly to me. 🤦🏻‍♀️. I am very opinionated.

It is all water under the bridge as the duck swims on (as in water off a ducks back). 😂
 
As I see it, some people sneak into the US, and a strange thing happens. They don't starve to death. Even when it is "illegal" to hire them, they find jobs. Yeah, they are crummy jobs, with crummy wages- but they are hired. So, there is a economic need for people desperate enough to take crummy jobs at crummy pay. The problem seems to be that no one respects that laws of the US-not the people sneaking into the US, nor those hiring them. We could continue pretending that this is not happening. Our immigration laws have to be flexible to enough to increase in times of great desperation to the extent that their numbers can be absorbed into the economy.
Or we could just let the crops rot in the fields, I don’t like veggies anyway.
 
OMGosh a lot of people who are starving “look” well fed. Starving babies have huge bellies. Starving people, and starving people in the USA, look overweight as they eat a lot of potatoes and other starchy foods, which are a cheap food. Looks mean nothing.

Just like the guy who drives up in a Mercedes to the food bank, so what, people lose their houses and live in their cars. Looks mean nothing.
Malnutrition has a unique look.
 
Malnutrition has a unique look.
In some cases, in others no. I was labeled as an adult failure to thrive senior in 2018 even though I was, well, still am a bit, well, more than a bit, tubby. I don’t like protein, it’s very hard for me to digest so I eat very little of it. I look pregnant due to gastroparesis. I don’t like veggies, avoid them like the virus. I do however love carbs and sugar. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yup, it’s a hard life.
 
Well my question is this...what happens when we have too many immigrants and there's not enough jobs for us to take care of ourselves? Then what? At some point the population is gonna go bust.

I don't think that is how economics works, I find economics very mysterious, but apparently prosperity has something to do with productivity or gross domestic product or something, and seems like the more people you have working then the more product there is and the richer everyone becomes?
I live near a town of 5000 people and there are limited jobs in the local town, but the town 35 miles away grew to a million people and there are lots of jobs available there. What I don't understand is where the money comes from when an economy grows, there must be billions more dollars existing now than used to exist, and we don't have bad inflation/devaluation of the currency.
But anyway, I don't think we need to be afraid of immigrants (either legal or illegal) causing us to run out of jobs or money, but we need good processes for getting (and keeping) people productive, and for responding to change (such as like this year covid causing some jobs to be lost, but other different jobs to be added).
 
Medically, failure to thrive is more of a diagnosis of how well you are doing at home. Not necessariy how well your fed. Physical and cognitive decline this is, "Adult failure to thrive."
 
Question: In the beginning: What prevented the immigrants' home nations' from utilizing their country's natural/nature's resources to bring about better living conditions for the people? The U S A has gone through nature's wrath, hard living, some going through starvation, lack of medical help, bigotry. racism, plus harmful political agendas, yet we've still manage to survive together as one nation.
 
As I see it, some people sneak into the US, and a strange thing happens. They don't starve to death. Even when it is "illegal" to hire them, they find jobs. Yeah, they are crummy jobs, with crummy wages- but they are hired. So, there is a economic need for people desperate enough to take crummy jobs at crummy pay. The problem seems to be that no one respects that laws of the US-not the people sneaking into the US, nor those hiring them. We could continue pretending that this is not happening. Our immigration laws have to be flexible to enough to increase in times of great desperation to the extent that their numbers can be absorbed into the economy.

Oh, great post! Immigration laws do need changing based on US workforce needs with a merit based provision for citizenship after a defined amount of time. Needed as well are enforced parameters of what constitutes refugee status and a enforced number of how many refugees can enter over a time span.

Enforced is the key.
 
Question: In the beginning: What prevented the immigrants' home nations' from utilizing their country's natural/nature's resources to bring about better living conditions for the people? The U S A has gone through nature's wrath, hard living, some going through starvation, lack of medical help, bigotry. racism, plus harmful political agendas, yet we've still manage to survive together as one nation.
Corrupt government and in some cases, civil war or unrest. Actually, those go hand-in-hand. And in some of those cases, the US has intervened diplomatically and/or militarily, which hasn't always had the desired effect. If we intervened militarily where Mexico is concerned (we've pretty much exhausted the diplomatic route) I think the global reaction would be very negative to say the least.
 
I did Read the whole thing.

I appreciate your giving me permission to be insulted, but I don’t need your permission for that either. We disagree on this issue, I feel you insulted and disrespected me, by the bleeding heart comment. And I agree, I am a bleeding heart about most everything, but I don’t sit back and do nothing. “Fight, fight, against the dying of the light.”

I also saw my ten month old illegal Mexican foster baby returned to Mexico before he could get eye or open heart surgery. It breaks my heart. I know he died. It was the second time he and his mother survived the journey. His mother was returned earlier to Mexico. My adopted son’s Hispanic mother put him up for adoption right away. We received him at six weeks of age directly from the ICU, smarter biological mother.

But please keep in mind this disagreement does not in anyway mean that I like you less, cause I like you a lot, I read your posts, and appreciate and mostly agree with them. I just wanted to make this clear: I never hold even a small grudge and others have said worst things directly to me. 🤦🏻‍♀️. I am very opinionated.

It is all water under the bridge as the duck swims on (as in water off a ducks back). 😂
I did not in any way render permission to you to feel insulted. I cannot for the life of me how you extrapolated that from what I wrote. I did say, if you chose to be insulted, so be it. I neither can stop you from being so nor tell you that you must be.

Listen Aneeda, I, in no way can empathize with these people since I've not had their problems, but I definitely do sympathize with their plight. That does not mean that I condone them breaking the law of our land. I've witnessed many terrible injustices in my long lifetime and when I knew that was wrong I did something about it. In essence, I am what is called an anti-federalist, so that when a Constitution was finally framed to meet the needs of the land along with the Bill of Rights, I then became a federalist and staunchly will defend those sacred laws to the death. I have zero tolerance for anyone who ignores same. I am not talking about minor infractions, but real felonies.


In your case, again, this is a matter of how did the baby come to be here illegally, and why was he sent back so cavalierly?

Those of us born in America hit the greatest lotto ever dealt by our Creator, for sure. I believe in helping the downtrodden and have on many occasions, but don't even try to convince me that folks attempting to walk into this country undocumented deserve to be excused. And I am speaking of those from all nations who try this. One other thing that galls me, if someone has the money, he/she will get in here without proper documentation. That is just a rotten realism and unfair all around.

As for your experience, I am sorry you went through that. And don't worry, I don't dislike or unfriend and ignore folks just because we have different opinions and see the world through different eyes.
 
Corrupt government and in some cases, civil war or unrest. Actually, those go hand-in-hand. And in some of those cases, the US has intervened diplomatically and/or militarily, which hasn't always had the desired effect. If we intervened militarily where Mexico is concerned (we've pretty much exhausted the diplomatic route) I think the global reaction would be very negative to say the least.
You seem smart. You must know the history of Central America somewhat? United Fruit and other powerful landowners, including many Americans, and other American companies took over the economies of these nations. The native people were barely higher than serfs. Their economy was raped, robbed and destroyed by mostly Americans. We ruined them for decades. Look it up, look up the history & relationships of C.A. & America. Their puppet governments were put in power by US, we overthrew people who were not good for United Fruit. Study this, then you will learn why it grew in to what we have today.
 
You seem smart. You must know the history of Central America somewhat? United Fruit and other powerful landowners, including many Americans, and other American companies took over the economies of these nations. The native people were barely higher than serfs. Their economy was raped, robbed and destroyed by mostly Americans. We ruined them for decades. Look it up, look up the history & relationships of C.A. & America. Their puppet governments were put in power by US, we overthrew people who were not good for United Fruit. Study this, then you will learn why it grew in to what we have today.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Banana War and the Arab Spring and similar examples.
 
IMO this topic is more about bad policy than it is about bad people.

We need to find a way to welcome and document these valuable human resources so that everyone involved can benefit legally.
Thank you!

The U.S. economy needs an underclass of workers who are under some kind of duress to work low wage, menial jobs and be afraid to complain. The politicians could have figured out how to create a rational and effective immigration policy at any time in the last 60 years, but have chosen NOT to do so. Why? Well don't ask me, write your Congressional representatives and ask them "why".
 
As I see it, some people sneak into the US, and a strange thing happens. They don't starve to death. Even when it is "illegal" to hire them, they find jobs. Yeah, they are crummy jobs, with crummy wages- but they are hired. So, there is a economic need for people desperate enough to take crummy jobs at crummy pay.
I have seen roofing being performed by what I took to be illegalls since they wear hoodies even in summer when it's hot to make identity difficult. Contractors hire them to save money while Americans need and will do the same job. I will only let work be done on my house by Americans even if I pay a little more.
 
Thank you!

The U.S. economy needs an underclass of workers who are under some kind of duress to work low wage, menial jobs and be afraid to complain. The politicians could have figured out how to create a rational and effective immigration policy at any time in the last 60 years, but have chosen NOT to do so. Why? Well don't ask me, write your Congressional representatives and ask them "why".
If you asked me I'd say that 9-11 was the impetus for policies that are not so rational or effective some 20 years later.
 

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