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QuickSilver said:
I don't imagine they will do much to those already collecting SS.... CAN you imagine if they took away the old white folks money now!? That's the bulk of their base! The ones that are going to get screwed are the ones in their 40's now. They will have their retirement ages raised and their benefits cut drastically.
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My brother is 58 and he's worried that there won't be any SS for him. He does say he has no idea if he'll ever get to retire. The baby brother says he'll retire at 67 but that's because he really loves his career.

The UK is doing the same thing with raising retirement age. Over here men always got their state pension at 65, and women at 60. Sounds very unfair to me. But now they are equalizing it. I got mine a couple of weeks before I turned 62, but my friend who is 9 months younger than me won't get hers until she is 63 1/2.
 

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Reid staffer: its Obama's fault

Let the circular firing squad begin. In a report by theWashington PostDavid Krone, chief of staff of dethroned Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), tossed the Democrats’ brutal midterm odds at the feet of President Barack Obama, arguing the White House undercut Senate fundraising efforts while saddling candidates with his unpopularity.

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Some rather sad comments on this forum. Sad that some just do not seem to understand how poorly our current local, state, and federal governments have been recent years. Here is a map showing just how far the disgust with the far left idea had gone and all the states that turned to support other than the far left thinkers.

Just about all the US went away from the far left thinking bunch.

http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/house/#.VFuvyMmKWJk
 
Chris in Colorado said:
Precisely! Funny how some people can't recall that detail when criticizing the President.
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Such a joke this post is. How about the over 300 items the Republicans wrote and sent to the Senate to get left on the table by Reid? Likely many items that Obama just made fact by decree. Most things wanting to be done by the US citizens are sent through the Congress and voted on and then the President agrees and signs or rejects. Currently, Obama has not put anything through the entire Congress. He just dictates and acts like a dictator and run our debt way beyond our ability to pay it down and stay in business as he seems to think we should. I think that the entire country has just shown how tired they are of all the far left nonsense that is going on. Almost the entire country has demonstrated that in this last election. Look to the chart I posted above a few posts.
 
Chris in Colorado said:
Precisely! Funny how some people can't recall that detail when criticizing the President.
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+1.

The Right-wing propaganda mill that spews the hate & dis_information via trillions of emails and talking head broadcasts do a great job of presenting the alternate universe.
 
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Ameriscot said:
My brother is 58 and he's worried that there won't be any SS for him. He does say he has no idea if he'll ever get to retire. The baby brother says he'll retire at 67 but that's because he really loves his career.

The UK is doing the same thing with raising retirement age. Over here men always got their state pension at 65, and women at 60. Sounds very unfair to me. But now they are equalizing it. I got mine a couple of weeks before I turned 62, but my friend who is 9 months younger than me won't get hers until she is 63 1/2.
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That has already happened in Australia and this government want to push retirement age out to 70. It's already on it's way to 67. Apparently old people are 'leaners' not 'lifters'.

We have a scheme now where if older workers continue working past eligibility for the aged pension, they can get a small bonus when they do pull the plug but the age of retirement keeps going up.
 
Chris in Colorado said:
I'm not interested in arguing politics BobF, time will tell us all we need to know and who's right or wrong. (as if our views matter)
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That's one thing in politics time doesn't do. It only portrays who right to those who voted FOR that particular party.
I read that only about 40% of the voters turned out in this half term election. Does this show the other 60%
Don't give a DAMN!!!
 
Ameriscot said:
You've got that backwards. The repubs refused to work with him, even bragging that they'd block anything he wanted.
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It's no secret that the GOP has planned and succeeded in obstructing anything that President Obama has wanted to accomplish since before he first took office. That would be okay if the republicans did something productive for the US, instead of just whining about the other party. I haven't seen any ideas or actions for solutions to the problems in this country from the GOP. Hoping things will change with these midterm election results, but I wouldn't bet on it.

People need to stop listening or watching just one news station, and believing everything they hear as fact. I hear the same talking points, same audio clips, over and over and over...like they're preaching to their own choir. Unfortunately, to the detriment of Obama, his base has been very lax in getting out any positive information about the accomplishments of the President, and have let the GOP dominate the media with their rants.

I listen to both Fox news and MSNBC, to get both sides of the story. All of my radios stations on AM have been taken over by conservative talk show hosts, the one progressive station was eliminated by the powers that be. I get an earful of the repetitive rants, false statements, and out of context audio clips they use to sell their points. They saturate each other with that trash on a daily basis, until they all believe and worship. Some of the callers make outrageous statements and negative comments about our President and the democratic party. There's no maturity or reasonable conversation anymore, in government or in media.

I'm an Independent, and vote on either side depending on the issue and the person involved. IMO, I think if Americans are smart, they will continue to vote in such a way not to give either party absolute power and control in government.

The really sad thing is, that the American middle class citizen is no longer needed in the workplace, and their wages do not keep up with all the costs and expenses of living in today's world. Government decisions have been more to the benefit of corporate America, and its interests, instead of the American people.

I thought these government parties were supposed to do what is best for this country and its citizens, I haven't been seeing that at all for decades now. Aren't they supposed to be working for us? Priorities have definitely changed.
 
In the US if so much of the SS money that has been put in by the workers and employers had not been taken from the fund, I would think we would have money for sometime ahead and could help the future by changing what our SS is expected to do for the long living survivors. This is not a welfare program like in some countries. It is just one way to force the workers to develop a small supplimental savings for when they do leave the workforce. It is not, and never has been described, as a living fund for anyone. We should all know that and develop additional savings, investments, what ever, that will be around after we leave the work force. I don't believe enough is being said about personal savings for after we no longer are working. When I was a young person there was a lot about saving for your retirement years, about 10% minimum of each weeks earnings set aside for future needs. I did some of that and it is now helping. I also tried to work for folks that allowed us to consider a lifetime with them and I would have a built in retirement plan after 25 or so years. It is mostly these side efforts that made it possible for me to have bought a house I could afford and to have some money built for retirement. I have no problem with getting some extra money from the savings forced on us through our Social Security plan the government had provided for us. It has never been talked of as a elder lifetime living for anyone, and todays workers should be made aware of that over and over.
 
SeaBreeze said:
It's no secret that the GOP has planned and succeeded in obstructing anything that President Obama has wanted to accomplish since before he first took office. That would be okay if the republicans did something productive for the US, instead of just whining about the other party. I haven't seen any ideas or actions for solutions to the problems in this country from the GOP. Hoping things will change with these midterm election results, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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One reason why you never heard much about the US doing anything for Obama was that Reid, head of Democratic part of Congress, would not let anything the Republican Representative wanted to be debated and either applied or rejected. Over 300 packages were sent from the Representatives to the Senate were just piled onto Reids desk and never allowed to proceed. That was not a Republican problem, but instead a Democrat problem.
 
Reading all this, and with all of our current political woes, I'm resolving next time we have a vote for a republic, I'm saying NO to anything like your presidential model.

IMNSHO a majority in both houses of Congress should allow legislation to be passed without any hassle. What the people voted for, they should get, but the 40% turn out at the polls does give me pause. 50% of 40% is only 20% (or 1 in 5) so the right to have legislation passed is rather weak when this is taken into consideration.

Still, it is what it is. No good whinging after the event if the result is not to everyone's liking.
 
"Yahoo, we won!, we won!
Yahoo, we won!, we won!
There is hope for America yet! Republicans took control of the senate, increased seats in the house, and elected more state governors.
I know this is an ultra liberal forum but thankfully the country elected conservatives this time.
"There is hope for America yet! Republicans took control of the senate, increased seats in the house, and elected more state governors.
I know this is an ultra liberal forum but thankfully the country elected conservatives this time"
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YES. the party that shut down the United States Government a couple of years ago , is in control
scary.... VERY, SCARY !!!!!
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Reading all this, and with all of our current political woes, I'm resolving next time we have a vote for a republic, I'm saying NO to anything like your presidential model.

IMNSHO a majority in both houses of Congress should allow legislation to be passed without any hassle. What the people voted for, they should get, but the 40% turn out at the polls does give me pause. 50% of 40% is only 20% (or 1 in 5) so the right to have legislation passed is rather weak when this is taken into consideration.

Still, it is what it is. No good whinging after the event if the result is not to everyone's liking.
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I would think a Republic would give you folks a better representation than you have now. But your concerns about the President are real and should not be allowed in the US either. Years back the President was really wanting to do things but could not because of the limited areas of power. Now a lot of those limits have been lowered or removed. So Obama has had the ability to apply his arrogance and just plain do what he wants to do. I hope that once Obama is gone the Congress will be able to reinsert lots of those restrictions on the President and get the US back to being a true Republic once again. There should be no person or business areas in our government that can just do as they want. We need to get back to the basics once again and have the Congress debating ideas and the President helping to release and enforce Congressional approved ideas and the Justice should be more involved with holding all to the ideas of our Constitution.

Also make sure there are no items connected to parties, as ours once were. Now the parties have pretty much engineered themselves into positions of power. They now dictate to the elected ones that once were elected to represent the people of their district, not any party is needed to represent their district.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
That has already happened in Australia and this government want to push retirement age out to 70. It's already on it's way to 67. Apparently old people are 'leaners' not 'lifters'.

We have a scheme now where if older workers continue working past eligibility for the aged pension, they can get a small bonus when they do pull the plug but the age of retirement keeps going up.
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My SIL in Oz said her husband will have to work longer than expected. He's 58.
 
Elyzabeth said:
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YES. the party that shut down the United States Government a couple of years ago , is in control
scary.... VERY, SCARY !!!!!
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It was the democrats that shut down the government. Obama has refused to compromise with republicans since day one, and Harry Reid won't even let the senate vote on bills from the house even though his party has the majority.

I don't really expect things to get better since Obama can still stop anything from getting done with a veto, but I'm hopeful the republicans can at least pull in the reins on the democrats spending spree.
 
Like Warrigal says here the pension age will stay at 67 as no way will it be increased to 70 as 67 was the limit set by
previous Labor Govt.. I don`t see why its a problem really as ever since I started working it was always 60 for women and 65 for men.. so going to 67 is not any problem at all .. things will stay the same as before any way as our senate won`t pass any thing in the budget it thinks will cause hardship. so life goes on.. I wonder over in USA will Obama stay ? or will he leave? do you think he wants out ? he posted something in our papers today which he was supposed to have said .. "Will it make you happy if I leave? " would he have said that ? or do you think he will stay the full term.. even though it might cause some problems for him... ?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Reading all this, and with all of our current political woes, I'm resolving next time we have a vote for a republic, I'm saying NO to anything like your presidential model.

IMNSHO a majority in both houses of Congress should allow legislation to be passed without any hassle. What the people voted for, they should get, but the 40% turn out at the polls does give me pause. 50% of 40% is only 20% (or 1 in 5) so the right to have legislation passed is rather weak when this is taken into consideration.

Still, it is what it is. No good whinging after the event if the result is not to everyone's liking.
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My BIL who is Scottish and has spent nearly his entire adult life in Australia was very upset when Australians voted to stay in the commonwealth and keep the monarchy.

Will there be another vote? And would the government be like Ireland's with a PM and president (with little power)?
 

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