Yahoo, we won!, we won!

QuickSilver said:
Hahahah George.... you've either been smoking some good stuff.. or you are plugged into FOX by your umbilicus.. You have been sold a bill of goods friend. Open your eyes. the GOP wants the pipeline for BIG OIL PROFITS!! They couldn't care less about jobs or the damage it will do to the environment. So YES... only 35 permanent jobs... I ask again.. is it worth it?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energys...how-many-jobs-will-be-created-by-keystone-xl/

In January of 2010, Trans-Canada CEO Russell Girling claimed that the project would produce 13,000 construction jobs. In April of 2011 the number grew to 20,000, which the Canadian Ambassador reiterated in August 2011. In January 2012 the number was revised back down to 13,000 and this past April the company revised that number even lower, to 9,000 construction jobs. Meanwhile, both the federal government and the Global Labor Institute at Cornell University’s College of Industrial and Labor Relations examined TransCanada’s application and made their own job creation estimates, at 6,000-6,500 and 2,500-4,500 respectively. A State Department study projects only 35 permanent jobs in pipeline maintenance and inspection. Although it seems likely that the Keystone XL Pipeline’s application will eventually be approved by the Obama Administration, firmer numbers will not be available until the project gets underway.
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you do have a point. dems hate oil and veterans. im talking build your talking maintain

how many years for 6,000-6,500 to build this ???

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I don't smoke. that's your thing
 

QuickSilver said:
I think the Republicans poisoned that well over the last 6 years. They can probably expect liberals to be about as good of sports as they have been since Obama was elected. It's not any less than they deserve.
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This is the situation over here. For the past six years of Labor government the Coalition Parties behaved as if they had been unjustly usurped from their rightful position of power and were relentless in creating chaos while blaming the government for the mess they were engineering. Even so, a lot of good legislation did get through with the aid of minor parties and independents. Now that the Coalition are back in power, two things are evident. They are intent on dismantling the achievements of their predecessors and they expect them to simply lie down and let it happen. Now they want a bipartisan approach to everything and everyone must get on board Team Australia.


This time they are having difficulties with the Senate. All they need is 4 members of the cross bench to support their bills but this is as easy as herding cats most of the time. The complaint is that the Labor opposition is opposing their legislation. Hello? When they were in opposition that is what they said their role was - oppose everything.

Just how silly do they think Joe Blow Public is? We do notice what goes on between elections. We don't have the memory of goldfish, and even if we did, it's all available with a few clicks on the interwebs.

Because I am less than a saint, I'm actually enjoying their discomfort. What goes around comes around with a bit of luck.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
This is the situation over here. For the past six years of Labor government the Coalition Parties behaved as if they had been unjustly usurped from their rightful position of power and were relentless in creating chaos while blaming the government for the mess they were engineering. Even so, a lot of good legislation did get through with the aid of minor parties and independents. Now that the Coalition are back in power, two things are evident. They are intent on dismantling the achievements of their predecessors and they expect them to simply lie down and let it happen. Now they want a bipartisan approach to everything and everyone must get on board Team Australia.


This time they are having difficulties with the Senate. All they need is 4 members of the cross bench to support their bills but this is as easy as herding cats most of the time. The complaint is that the Labor opposition is opposing their legislation. Hello? When they were in opposition that is what they said their role was - oppose everything.

Just how silly do they think Joe Blow Public is? We do notice what goes on between elections. We don't have the memory of goldfish, and even if we did, it's all available with a few clicks on the interwebs.

Because I am less than a saint, I'm actually enjoying their discomfort. What goes around comes around with a bit of luck.
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Sounds almost like a mirror image of what is happening here. Only I have no illusions of any bipartisanship. It took the GOP about 20 minutes after saying they wanted to "work together" to threaten to push through the pipeline and repeal Obama care.. The tables have turned now. They are going to have to try to get something done.. and the Dems can block it... as you say, what goes around comes around. I'll enjoy watching.
 
This particular thread is full of distortions and outright lies. Obama has done nothing with the Congress and the Senate has not allowed the Representatives efforts to happen. Reid has over 300 bills written over the recent years that he will not allow to go to debate or votes. For some reason this hold up by the Democrat Congress is being blamed on the Republican party. Nothing but a pure outright lie by some on this forum. While Obama and Democrats sluffed off, spent trillions of dollars on unshown projects putting the US into a very deep debt of near 20 trillion which is a lot of waste since taking over the spending during Bush's last two years a and the debt then was only mid 7 trillion dollars. We do see this trash talk far too often. Time for some honesty for a change. Maybe the honesty will start this coming January 2015. Though Obama has already said he will spend on his own if the new Congress will not let him spend. Obama is sounding more and more like nothing but a spoiled child.
 
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Section. 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
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From the USA constitution the House of Representatives has the responsibility to borrow money and lots of other things. No way for the President to legally cause so much debt as our current government has been and continues to do. If the US is to stay as well as we have over 200 years now, we must get back to operating under our Constitutions rules and ways. The recent years of near criminal ways of doing things must be controlled and stopped if possible. Or we may end up like some other countries have and have nothing to offer the people and become beggars to the rest of the world for money and protections. Back to the Constitution or we all lose and our nation will be gone.

Something to be aware of is that in neither the House or Senate are all of one party. So votes will be mixed as to any party blame. If enough Democrats vote with the Republicans then that is the way the vote will point. We have seen that happen in the past where a split vote, Republicans and Democrats, can kill or make a bill pass. So there is really no way to use guilty party. It is necessary to actually point to the person committing such powers as Reid has done and not allowing the Senate to work as they should and not trying to get Obama to pull back and operate under the Constitutions guide lines.
 
Twixie said:
We don't care Bob..........
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I am sure that is true for some folks in the US. But a lot fewer than in the past by the vote results. Here is a comment the Communist Party published shortly after he was elected. I don't think they have changed their mind yet. Obama has done little to end these opinions. But the public will in time return the government to the people once again. It has been so long the link may not work properly but if really serious maybe you can bring up the original vote. Sorry you don't care.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99104


WND Exclusive OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Obama: Top Red's dream come true
Communist Party official shares White House's ambitious agenda
Posted: May 24, 2009
7:54 pm Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Sam Webb


With Obama as president, health care and the economy can be "reformed," U.S. troops can be evacuated from the Middle East, a second stimulus bill can be passed, the criminal justice system can be overhauled and union rights can be expanded – in other words, it's a Christmas list come true – declared the leader of the Communist Party USA.


"All these – and many other things – are within our reach now!" exclaimed Sam Webb in a New York banquet speech for the People's Weekly World, the official newspaper of the Communist Party USA.
 
These back and forth arguments, repeated talking points, and division between parties is disturbing, especially when it happens in government. I see a lot of my way or the highway, all or nothing at all attitudes. IMO, we're all better off with the purple lights, not red or blue...that way neither party gets too much control over our country and our lives.

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I certainly agree with your comments and that means I am happy with this latest election as some very one sided politician have been removed or impeded from action in our Congress. Nobody really likes our government fully tied up in Red or Blue alone. A certain person still insists that he will govern his way and does not have to follow the guidelines of the Congress. I hope that changes soon, we still have two more years with his leadership to get things working properly as it should and as you wish in your post.
 
I don't know a lot about US politics as it differs from our in the UK. However it seemed at the time, that when Obama was sworn in, the whole country [well not the Republicans] loved him to bits.It's all gone sour for him though hasn't it?What are your thoughts on his administration, and what could he have done differently?
 
oakapple said:
I don't know a lot about US politics as it differs from our in the UK. However it seemed at the time, that when Obama was sworn in, the whole country [well not the Republicans] loved him to bits.It's all gone sour for him though hasn't it?What are your thoughts on his administration, and what could he have done differently?
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Obama is still loved...by liberals... but liberals are not all the same.. There is the left.. and the far left. People on the far left.. known as Progressives, became disenchanted with Obama, because they felt he has capitulated and over compromised with Republicans. They were very disappointed he didn't drive a harder bargain with the Right to get single payer or National Healthcare instead of the private market plan of Obamacare. As for the Right.. they were NEVER going to like him and the hatred they have for this man is beyond anything imaginable.. This is fueled by a robust Right Wing noise machine that fills the airwaves day and night... Fox news... as well as a multitude of talking heads spreading conspiracy theories and falsehoods.. That's all you hear when you turn on the radio. Is it a wonder? We like to call it Obama Derangement Syndrome... it's a real disorder.. But on the other hand... the left suffered from Bush Derangement syndrome too.. We are a VERY divided country and I'm not sure at all what can fix that. Perhaps nothing.

I personally would have liked to see him show more of a backbone toward the Right, but I love the fact that he is a level headed, deliberative leader.. They don't call him "No Drama Obama" for nothing.. He would never play the wild cowboy running off half cocked into conflict after conflict. I trust him.. I know he has thought things through.
 
SeaBreeze said:
These back and forth arguments, repeated talking points, and division between parties is disturbing, especially when it happens in government. I see a lot of my way or the highway, all or nothing at all attitudes. IMO, we're all better off with the purple lights, not red or blue...that way neither party gets too much control over our country and our lives.

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Amen Seabreeze, and well said!!
 
I personally think Obama and his family are plenty fine. But the way he got into government and suddenly pushed Hillary out of the way, was poor taste. But his big money man is also poor taste for me and many others. George Sorros is one who believes in controlling money and little concern how he gets it. Folks from England should remember him well as he manipulated silver till England had problems. England had to make some changes, Sorros got very wealthy for his effort. So to me Obama is running with the wrong kind of crowd. Additionally for many, if not most, in the US is the fact that Obama is not working to the guidelines of the Constitution. He does not use the powers of the Congress to try to control our expenses into our budgets, which he has never made. As a President of the US, he is acting more like nothing but a spoiled child, not one to do the job right, not one to be trusted. I hope he does come down to reality soon and realize he is not a king or such, he is and elected representative of the US people, nothing more than that. If he were to follow the Constitution he would need to follow this prescription, not just blow away the nations wealth randomly as he has done. Nearly 10 trillion dollars more than when he came on. Many will be glad when he is gone and our budgets get created and somehow we get our debts back down to prior to the rise of the lefties in the 1970's. Certainly we can love each other without needing to put this country into some real financial problems.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Article. I.
Section. 7.

 All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.


Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.


Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
 
QuickSilver said:
Obama is still loved...by liberals... but liberals are not all the same.. There is the left.. and the far left. People on the far left.. known as Progressives, became disenchanted with Obama, because they felt he has capitulated and over compromised with Republicans. They were very disappointed he didn't drive a harder bargain with the Right to get single payer or National Healthcare instead of the private market plan of Obamacare. As for the Right.. they were NEVER going to like him and the hatred they have for this man is beyond anything imaginable.. This is fueled by a robust Right Wing noise machine that fills the airwaves day and night... Fox news... as well as a multitude of talking heads spreading conspiracy theories and falsehoods.. That's all you hear when you turn on the radio. Is it a wonder? We like to call it Obama Derangement Syndrome... it's a real disorder.. But on the other hand... the left suffered from Bush Derangement syndrome too.. We are a VERY divided country and I'm not sure at all what can fix that. Perhaps nothing.

I personally would have liked to see him show more of a backbone toward the Right, but I love the fact that he is a level headed, deliberative leader.. They don't call him "No Drama Obama" for nothing.. He would never play the wild cowboy running off half cocked into conflict after conflict. I trust him.. I know he has thought things through.
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Well said. I can't really comment on his presidency as I haven't lived in the US for any part of it. I voted for him twice. I can't really comment on the job he's done because I only get bits and pieces and don't do any extra reading on the details. I have family that do keep up on all the details and they still like him, and I trust their opinions.
 
Ameriscot said:
Well said. I can't really comment on his presidency as I haven't lived in the US for any part of it. I voted for him twice. I can't really comment on the job he's done because I only get bits and pieces and don't do any extra reading on the details. I have family that do keep up on all the details and they still like him, and I trust their opinions.
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As of this last election it became clear that many, if not most, of the US voting population has had enough of this non performing President. He has spent way too much, has implemented many controls over industry and products, our prices keep going up and employment stays reduced. Many places are hiring as they are reducing hours worked to avoid some of the higher taxes and medical costs. Plenty done without the Congress debating and approving or altering as they should be allowed to do. It is not hate for Obama as some say, rather it is a love for the US and our Constitution speaking out now. Many of the ones protesting have been of the Democrat party, the Republicans, and many of the independents. It is going to be interesting to see how adaptable Obama will be in his last two years. He seems to be blind to the facts as he keeps saying he has the right to do as he is doing. Is bankrupting the nation one of the Presidents official duties? If so, it is news to the many Presidents that have fought off debt and tried to keep the US prosperous.
 
Ameriscot said:
Well said. I can't really comment on his presidency as I haven't lived in the US for any part of it. I voted for him twice. I can't really comment on the job he's done because I only get bits and pieces and don't do any extra reading on the details. I have family that do keep up on all the details and they still like him, and I trust their opinions.
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If anything, he's been too conciliatory.. and even tempered. That bothered the Left a lot.. They wanted him tougher on the Obstructionists.. I think he gave away too much to the GOP and got very little back. Perhaps he can make up for it in his last two years... What's he got to lose? They hate him... they have been dying to start impeachment proceedings... I say, he should do what he thinks is right and let them do what they please.. It's not going to do anything but backfire on them in 2016
 

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