Young mom shot with her own gun by her toddler won't see the new year!

Little area background you will not get, well maybe motherjones. This area of Idaho is still wilderness, very beautiful, remote, impenetrable etc. and one of the reasons why the Ayrian Nations chose it. Just sayin.
 

rt3 said:
And using such a tragedy to push a personal agenda.
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What 'personal agenda' are you referring to? In the event that it's a reference to Blaze's links, it's another side of the story and in any situation, all sides need to be considered. That is not a 'personal agenda' so much as it is a case of getting a full 'education'. I also think that suggesting that someone or an organization that you don't agree with are doing drugs is a little 'out there'. Why not leave it at, 'their opinion is different than yours'?
 
It's ok Washington, Colorado, oregan do recreational drugs, legally. Personal agendas are based on historical postings. Anti gun propaganda always use appeal to emotion aruements. If that's educational,,well ok.

forgot to mention that area of Idaho is a favorite "get away" for the Seattle rich Democrats, including Bill Gates of Microsoft.
 
good post , but you will not rise to the occasion, you will fall to the level of your training.
 
Ralphy1 said:
Legally carrying a concealed weapon that her child managed to get out of her purse and pull the trigger in a Wal-Mart was a sad and shocking story. But the question for me was why couldn't she just carry mace or pepper spray for protection rather than a gun?
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Keep the purse separate from the child, all kids seem to love to go through purses or things they know they are not supposed to.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I think it is sad.

This woman was a wife, a mother and a scientist. A moment's lapse, and haven't we all had those when taking the kids shopping, and she is suddenly dead.
At the risk of labouring the point, that's the danger of firearms. They are designed to kill and they are only safe when they are unloaded.

The saddest thing of all is that this young mother probably thought that the gun would make her family safer.

When the very real risks are weighed against the supposed benefits of having one always are your fingertips, I cannot understand why so many people want to own a gun for any purpose other than their occupation, competitions or hunting.
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People are scared Dame, look at the news where people are getting robbed, beaten, raped, murdered. I know why I want to own a gun, and I can understand maybe some shouldn't, but the reason is fear. I'm open for a better way, I never said I like guns, I'm only thinking I should get one the way things are going. I also don't want anyone taking my right away to have one if I choose.

Have we ever talked about other options? I don't recall, my memory truly isn't as good, but I don't remember a discussion on options, other than counting on others to protect us and our families.
 
Debby said:
When I read that story, I have to say that I didn't feel the least bit sorry for that woman. What a fool! We baby proof our houses, put bumper pads on coffee table corners, put heavy objects out of their reach, guard them when they toddle down the sidewalk holding our hand.....and she parks a loaded gun on the grocery cart seat beside her baby! What is that, Darwin's law at work? At least no one else's family was impacted by her stupidity. Does that make me sound hard? Don't care. I'm only sorry that little kid will grow up knowing that his little pudgy hand was the one that killed his mommy and that he will carry that forever.
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QuickSilver said:
It's sad... What is sad is that those children will not have a mother growing up.. What is sad is that it's because their mother was stupid and careless.. I feel sorry for the children.. escpecially the little boy that will know his entire life he killed his mother.. I don't feel sorry for her.. she did it to herself and she died exercising her "Constitutional Right". I'm just glad that the bullet didn't hit and kill an innocent bystander or one of the other children..
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My heart aches for her as well. She was doing what she thought was carrying protection. She made a fatal mistake, someone up above in the thread mentioned it can be any one of us. I wouldn't be quick to judge her. This tragedy is thanks to the world we live in, and the world we have all had a hand in making. I can't very well burn her at the stake when I have carelessly taken my eyes off the road to look for a stupid bee in the car. I could have killed someone.

I hope somehow some way, that little boy will be able to survive this but who's to blame, ultimately? God??
 
I don't believe God "did" it if He exists, but if He exists, He allows these things, including the world to go to hell. Remember "The Day the Earth Stood Still"? I always remember Professor Barnhard talking about gathering the "greatest" minds in the world. Then maybe they could convince people to behave (whatever) but I see so much ego from people who only "think" they're smart pulling the strings.
 
Debby said:
What 'personal agenda' are you referring to? In the event that it's a reference to Blaze's links, it's another side of the story and in any situation, all sides need to be considered. That is not a 'personal agenda' so much as it is a case of getting a full 'education'. I also think that suggesting that someone or an organization that you don't agree with are doing drugs is a little 'out there'. Why not leave it at, 'their opinion is different than yours'?
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lol!! I can ONLY imagine... but Debby... the ignore feature saves me from even reading that crap.. So... a lot of time and insults are completely wasted..
 
Ignore has a down side though, most forums are really "galleries" where many people can read, don't have time, but sort of mull over the stuff. The person who uses ignore makes it back just in time, without knowing the flow, to post some really dumb kaka. So remember the gallery.
 
nwlady said:
People are scared Dame, look at the news where people are getting robbed, beaten, raped, murdered. I know why I want to own a gun, and I can understand maybe some shouldn't, but the reason is fear. I'm open for a better way, I never said I like guns, I'm only thinking I should get one the way things are going. I also don't want anyone taking my right away to have one if I choose.

Have we ever talked about other options? I don't recall, my memory truly isn't as good, but I don't remember a discussion on options, other than counting on others to protect us and our families.
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Excellent questions, Denise. The problem is fear of crime and personal attack. If the only answer is more and more guns, IMO things will only get worse over time. Again IMO there needs to be consideration of other approaches to find a way forward. The second amendment shouldn't prevent people coming together to find a way to reduce the fear and the crime levels. In saying this I am reminded of the quote, attributed to Albert Einstein (?)
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -
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Time for some new ways of looking at the twin problems of violence and fear of violence.
 
My favorite is; The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has it's limits.
 
nwlady said:
Keep the purse separate from the child, all kids seem to love to go through purses or things they know they are not supposed to.
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Even if there were not kids in the picture, didn't she put her handbag in the seat of a shopping cart at a Walmart? That, to me, is not responsible ownership at all. :rolleyes:
 
It appears to me that so many people are irresponsible gun owners... Not everyone... but many.. If they weren't these tragedies wouldn't be so common. So how is that problem dealt with? Just let everyone buy all the guns they want and let their stupidity thin the herd? The problem with that is that many times innocent people are harmed or killed.. So tell me what the answer is.
 
Fear had nothing to do with our having a gun in our home for all these years. Knowing how to use a gun and protect yourself without relying on others is just common sense, for those not afraid of the object itself.

There were no crazy shooting decades ago like there are now, because doctors weren't putting kids on mind-altering prescription drugs before they even reached their teens. And people didn't jump from one pharmaceutical to another, increasing doses, where the side effects are always either suicide or homicide.

I personally carry pepper spray if I'm walking alone in the woods, for either a coyote or a stray creep. If I do concealed carry in the future, it will be on my person, where it should be.

Having protection in the home will help to assure that I'm not a "victim", in case my 911 call operator wants to ask 50 questions before sending the cops to my home. I've never had to use the gun, and hopefully I never will, but I'm prepared if a break-in occurs. I don't intend to hand over my life or my possessions to a criminal, if I can stop his attack quickly. Paranoid or fearful, no...prepared for emergencies, yes.
 
Rule 1 for safe bush walking - Don't wander off by yourself. Ever.
How will your pepper spray help you if you are bitten by a snake or have a fall and break your leg or hip?

Rule 2 - Carry water and matches, even if you don't expect to need them. They can save your life.
 
nwlady said:
I don't believe God "did" it if He exists, but if He exists, He allows these things, including the world to go to hell. Remember "The Day the Earth Stood Still"? I always remember Professor Barnhard talking about gathering the "greatest" minds in the world. Then maybe they could convince people to behave (whatever) but I see so much ego from people who only "think" they're smart pulling the strings.
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Oddly enough I've never seen TDTESS - heard of it plenty of times, though. I'll have to put it in my queue. Thanks!

Dame Warrigal said:
Rule 1 for safe bush walking - Don't wander off by yourself. Ever.
How will your pepper spray help you if you are bitten by a snake ...
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This reminds me of the story of the two guys walking in the woods. One gets bit by a deadly venomous snake, on what is perhaps the most sensitive part of the male anatomy, and the other guy doesn't know what to do. So he runs 10 miles and finds a doctor's office.

The doctor informs him that he needs to make an "X" with a razor blade and then suck out the venom. The guy runs back to his friend, who asks him "What did the doctor say?"

He replied, "He says you're going to die."
 
SifuPhil said:
This reminds me of the story of the two guys walking in the woods. One gets bit by a deadly venomous snake, on what is perhaps the most sensitive part of the male anatomy, and the other guy doesn't know what to do. So he runs 10 miles and finds a doctor's office.

The doctor informs him that he needs to make an "X" with a razor blade and then suck out the venom. The guy runs back to his friend, who asks him "What did the doctor say?"

He replied, "He says you're going to die."
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I remember that joke Phil! :lol:
 
SeaBreeze said:
Concealed carry should be kept on the person, not in a handbag and the safety should have been on, or no bullet in the chamber. Glad she was the one to get shot, not the kids or someone else, I have no sympathy for her.
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As background information. This method is called the "Israeli carry" or civilian carry and is used/recommended/taught in this part of the world.
If this person had the gun in her purse or in a car, and not on her person, under idaho law, it would be considered as personal property. This law requires a empty 1st chamber in a revolver or unchamered in an auto.
 
nwlady said:
My heart aches for her as well. She was doing what she thought was carrying protection. She made a fatal mistake, someone up above in the thread mentioned it can be any one of us. I wouldn't be quick to judge her. This tragedy is thanks to the world we live in, and the world we have all had a hand in making. I can't very well burn her at the stake when I have carelessly taken my eyes off the road to look for a stupid bee in the car. I could have killed someone.

I hope somehow some way, that little boy will be able to survive this but who's to blame, ultimately? God??
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In a sense I would agree with you Denise, we have all made mistakes but the difference here is that she had to have been aware of the danger of a gun just generally speaking and with forethought, that mother put it in her purse near children. A bee flying in your car window isn't something that you do with forethought, it just happens and you have an instantaneous reaction (especially if you're allergic). She made a choice not to buy some kind of body holster and instead decided to stick the darn thing in her purse. The rest is history.
 
I felt bad for her also. I read about texting and driving and someone gets killed, or eating, putting on make-up, shaving, reading and all have accidents with people ending up dead. I had a friend in high school that double-dated with another couple and the driver tried to outrun a train. Three dead and he survived, but he walked funny the rest of his life. (He was not the driver.) I know; these are accidents, but they all made choices. Like George Jones sings in his song, "Choices," "We all live or die by the choices we make."
 

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