What are unvaccinated people thinking?

Tom 86 said:
Only thing I got to say. When you are born God gives you so many years, days, minutes & seconds to live. Some die young, others get to 100. So no matter what you do, you can't cheat God out of his plan for you. Some survive Conav-19 & others don't. Their time was up.
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The next thing we will be told is that god ordained Kings and Queens to rule buy divine right and we should bend the knee before them. After all that's god's plan for us.
 

Knight said:
Seems the gene pool is self regulating.


In the United States, which has experienced more COVID-19 cases and deaths than any other country, the Delta variant represents about 83% of new infections. So far, unvaccinated people represent nearly 97% of severe cases.

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-varian...rus-101928525.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews
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Sadly there is little we can do about this. The willfully non vaccinated people have it all on them now. It's all on them.
 
rgp said:
In many cases their first concern is not you . As such, they may decide to pass on the vaccination .
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Thank you for telling me that. My main concern is that they may pass on the disease. I know a number of otherwise healthy people of all ages who have had it very badly. Laid out flat on their back in bed for anywhere from two to six weeks. I know of two people who died from it. It's nasty.
 
Nasal swabs never told any professional anyone had COVID-19. We do not know how many cases there really were or are as a result. Best thing to do is just use your head as to whether you need it or not. Healthy folks probably don't require a vaccination. It has been determined that 90% of those found to have tested positive for the virus never carried it to anyone else.
 
Sunny said:
Or it could mean the opposite, Ladybug. Many of the people who have died of Covid were already weakened, either by old age or preexisting conditions, or both. So your heart disease could mean that getting the disease could easily finish you off. The vaccine will not.

Something like 99% of the deaths from Covid have been in unvaccinated individuals. And heart disease of one kind of another is very common in older folks. We all have it, to one extent or another. Yet we've (nearly) all been vaccinated. One conversation I hear a lot around here is, "Which cardiologist do you go to?" I have never heard of any cardiologist, or any other physician, recommend against getting the vaccine because it might kill them due to their physical ailments. (Maybe some people are actually allergic to the vaccine, though I've never met or heard of one.)

To the contrary, every doctor I've gone to in the last few months asked, first thing, "Have you been vaccinated yet?" and when I told them I was one of the first, in Jan.-Feb., they all said, "Good." So, is the entire medical profession in some vast conspiracy to kill off as many humans as possible? That's what some on this forum would have you believe.

Sweep the political propaganda out, clear your brain, and use your common sense to save your own life, or to save yourself from a horrible illness with devastating side effects that can last for months! And this is not an overstatement; it's the simple truth.
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"So your heart disease could mean that getting the disease could easily finish you off. The vaccine will not."

Most people with heart disease and other health conditions are taking medications for their particular condition and doing just fine. Yes Covid could kill them but your statement, "The vaccine will not." how do YOU know it won't? Do you know everyone's health history and if so are you qualified to give that statement? You have repeatedly stated in former post that no vaccine is 100% safe. And here you are telling someone with a heart condition the vaccine will not kill them.

"I have never heard of any cardiologist, or any other physician, recommend against getting the vaccine because it might kill them due to their physical ailments."

I guess you didn't read the posts of some members here mine included, that explained their Doctors didn't recommend for them to be vaccinated due to their health issues.

"I have never heard of any cardiologist, or any other physician" as I said, you must not have read the posts of some members here mine included, that explained their Doctors didn't recommend for them to be vaccinated due to their health issues. Have you spoken personally to every physician everywhere to get their opinion? No and not every physician in the world has been asked to publicly give their opinion. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't make so.

"(Maybe some people are actually allergic to the vaccine, though I've never met or heard of one.)"

Maybe?? What about the people who have had allergic reactions, some serious. That's why they ask people to wait 15 minutes after the vaccine, because some have had reactions!

"So, is the entire medical profession in some vast conspiracy to kill off as many humans as possible?"

Now your twisting what has been posted by others to make it sound like they are conspiracy nuts.

Being concerned about their health and not just jumping in trusting all the "experts" whose opinions change so quickly is not being a conspiracy, its having common sense.
 
Maybe this a clue to what some non vaccinated people are thinking???

The number of Google searchs for "Where to get Covid vaccine" has had a definite up-tick in the past two weeks. From the graph I saw the number of searches has more than doubled.
 
Sunny said:
Gary, that's very sad. My condolences on what must have been a terrible loss to you and your family.

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Thank you, Sunny

My wife didn't hold up well.....for a very long time
Sunny said:
What did your son die of? Do you know?
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Our assertion is the vaccine
He was on some serious meds for his schizophrenia
Turns out, they didn't even ask him about any of that

We would've had an autopsy, but my lady was in no way up to that
....actually, neither was I

We are in extensive communication with Moderna

Mainly, we just don't want that scene to occur with anybody else
 
Our 60 year old son reacts badly to most inoculations, and has been told by a doctor that a small pox vaccination would kill him (as the first one when he was 7 almost did). He takes medications for depression, and bipolar and PTSD. He had the Moderna vaccine and had no problem other than a sore arm.
 
mrstime said:
Our 60 year old son reacts badly to most inoculations, and has been told by a doctor that a small pox vaccination would kill him (as the first one when he was 7 almost did). He takes medications for depression, and bipolar and PTSD. He had the Moderna vaccine and had no problem other than a sore arm.
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Good to hear your son hasn't had any problems with the Moderna, that is the vaccine I had. I have a neighbor who is a senior and her doctor advised her not to take the vaccine, she has many health issues, on many medications and has been allergic to other vaccines for a long time. Thank goodness your son didn't have a fatal reaction when he was a child.
 
Given the newness of mRNA vaccines, the science on this isn't staying still and it seems smart to me to watch where its going. What's been learned so far is that the vaccines will NOT stop you from getting covid, may be of some danger to certain groups of people and are of unknown immune efficacy and duration. There's also the issue of natural immunity vs. vaccinated immunity. I picked this up from Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.​
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By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”​
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There is also the issues of the rate of reinfection. Which groups are more likely to get reinfected, should they get covid? There's some thought that natural immunity will burn out all variants the body might encounter; however, this isn't p;roven.

One bit of truth to understand is that by getting an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved, unproven gene therapy. One other bit of truth is that natural immunity doesn't line the pockets of big pharma, big medical or politicians, so this isn't a course they'll recommend. A third bit of truth is that flu has never been stopped cold and covid-19 and any variant is no exception.

Bottom Line: It's up to you to weigh the risks and benefits for any course of action. That right should never be taken away by fiat. There was a time flu vaccines were recommended for the elderly and at risk. Recommending vaccination for everyone is a big step and perhaps an even bigger gamble.

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OscarW said:
We agree on one thing. Almost all of the information on Facebook, Twitter, and left and right blogs can be summarily dismissed as biased drivel.

Here's where we disagree. It is a demonstrable fact that the jury is still out on scientific evidence regarding the Covid vaccine. Perhaps someday it will prove the vaccine is highly effective and has no long lasting side effects. Sadly, that day isn't today. I don't know if the vaccine is safe or not. Nobody does. Any one who claims otherwise is ignoring how the scientific method works.
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I suppose age has a lot to do with it as well As if you have had Covid. I am 74 so I am not worried about long term or lasting side effects of the vaccine as I do not have that long a time to worry about. When my disabled sons, both in their thirties, got the vaccine I did not worry about side effects. Their disabilities made it imperative that they get the shots.

My oldest son, his SO, my daughter, her husband, and the baby all caught Covid. Everyone but the baby has gotten vaccinated, they prefer not to get Covid again. My granddaughter and her husband are vaccinated. This only leaves the 3 youngsters, the great granddaughters, unvaccinated. As soon as there is a vaccine available they will get it.

I suppose they would need to worry about long term side effects, but at least they will have long enough to worry.
 
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Tom 86 said:
Oscar, I agree. I got my first shot of Moderna on Jan. 12th. I went downhill for 4 months till May 20th SIL took me to hospital where I couldn't breathe. They tested me 3 times no Conav-19. They still treated me for it because the Cat scan showed my lungs were very bad.
It's taken till this week 7-20 to get about 1/2 my strength back.

If I had known that shot was going to almost kill me I would have NEVER got it. I don't blame those people that say NO to the shot.
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I could care less if someone gets vaccinated or not. However, I am not sure the vaccine was responsible for your lung issues. When the masks came of my husband came down with double pneumonia. Had nothing to do with the vaccine. Lots of people got lung issues before there was a vaccine or Covid.

After two rounds of treatment, he still has pneumonia, he’s had it for a month. He also has an inactive lung cancer nodule. Nothing to do with Covid or the vaccine he received.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
My Mom will be 89 in two months. She has some health issues and wears a pacemaker. She got the vaccine months ago. First dose no reaction. Second dose slight fever and tired for 48 hrs. She's hardly slowing down and flew to visit relatives for the past 2 weeks. The flight was 4 hours and she has no problem wearing a mask. They sent me a pic a few days ago of her masked relaxing in a chair at a local nails store getting a pedicure.

Since I believe in science, I did not fall for injecting Clorox. Maybe for some, Clorox has been around for decades, so it's well tested. LOL. Anyway, I just came back from a grocery run. I wore my masked in Trader Joe's and I only saw one other customer with a mask. After storing my bags in the vehicle, I walked (still masked) half a block to a bakery and got some fresh pastry. I'm sure the employees appreciated it because they were masked.

To each their own but for me if a booster is advised for Moderna, I will try to be first in line.
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Me too, wish I could get the booster now.
 
win231 said:
Interesting that those individuals who like to call others "Selfish" & "Uneducated" because they choose not to get vaccinated, have nothing to say about my mentioning Tuberculosis & "Getting tested before leaving their house so they don't infect others."
Yoooohoooo - Don M, Chet, Sunny..........
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I have been tested for tuberculosis 3 times in my lifetime, but I had to leave my house to get tested 😂
 
OscarW said:
Congratulations, you just changed the debate. You said, and I quote, “That’s why there's a spike in covid-19 cases.” I asked you to provide evidence for that claim. Instead, you provided general links to pro mask articles.

Just about everything I read says the spike is primarily due to the delta variant. For example:

https://www.newsweek.com/four-states-seeing-major-spikes-covid-cases-due-delta-variant-1611437

Switching the debate ain’t cool.

PS: I never said my opinion was supported by facts. I was answering a personal question that another poster asked of me. That said, I’m highly suspicious of any “facts” coming out of the government or the media. Their track record for competence, honesty, objectivity, and fairness is abysmal.
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Threads often go in different directions. IMO this is NOT a debate just a discussion, we discuss a lot of stuff, which leads to discussing different stuff, which is why threads go in all sorts of directions. You will get used to this. AS IT IS COOL. 😂

If you want to debate something, then I would start a thread that mentions, in your first post, that this is a debate not a discussion. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it.
 
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