Will The Taliban Take Kabul on 9-11?

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Alligatorob said:
It can be hard to know what a "traitor" is or should be in a place like Afghanistan. Easier in the case of the women in nazi occupied countries during WWII.

Afghanistan is a very complex place, lots of differences in ethnicities and language. Who should these people be loyal to? I don't know, and I doubt if any of us here knows. The crux of the problem I think.
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I disagree. It has nothing to do with your (or my) morals. French women who fraternized with German soldiers. What's that? Which government? Vichy? Afghanis who fraternized with Americans. What's that? Those who have the power/government decide what a traitor is. It isn't "complex" at all. Germans occupied France and Americans are occupying Afghanistan. It's as simple as that.
 

Murrmurr said:
The Taliban will have little trouble finding out who the "traitors" are; anyone who work with or for the US military, right down to the interpreters, the guys who brought them tea, and the kids who brushed the mud off their boots.
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Quite simply ..... yes.
 
Alligatorob said:
LOL, I doubt the Taliban know who the Confederates were.

I know its all semantics, but how do armed violent rebels differ from traitors? As the descendant of several Confederate soldiers I would prefer to think of them as loyal rebels, but can see how others might not.
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In the case of the civil war, a traitor would be, for example, a confederate soldier who gave military secrets to a union officer.

The confederacy was an army that fought for the south when it wanted to succeed from the union (USA). It wasn't illegal. States had the right to succeed from the union, but Lincoln refused to allow it.
 

Murrmurr said:
China wants to. They need that straight between them and Afghanistan, the Wakhan Corridor. They have to be cautious, for obvious reasons, but so far looks like talks are still on the friendly side.

I'm waiting for more information.
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Sounds logical to me.
 
………..Despite the group’s promise to halt the export of narcotics from Afghanistan “to zero” at its first press conference in Kabul on Wednesday, the country accounted for 84% of global opium production in the year ending 2020, according to the UN’s World Drug Report. Most of that production took place in Taliban-controlled areas and benefited the group via a 10% production tax.

Three of the past four years have seen some of Afghanistan’s highest levels of opium production, according to the UN, with poppy cultivation soaring 37% alone last year.

Another main component of the Taliban’s funding has been its taxation of mining exports, which brings in almost a third of its income in addition to the tax it levies on residents in areas it controls.

On top of that, analysis reveals, the Taliban have continued to be a major beneficiary of charitable donations from wealthy individuals in the Gulf to the tune of upwards of $240m. It has also received support from Iran.

Complicating the issue for the Taliban is the threat to aid flows that have long sustained Afghanistan’s government – they account for 42.9% of GDP. Germany, one of the country’s top donors, has said it is halting development aid, and others have threatened to do the same. Berlin had been due to provide aid of €430m (£366m) this year.

Source: The Guardian
 
I heard something very interesting on World is One News this evening - they said Afghanistan's former vice president, Amrullah Saleh, is in Panjshir Valley, a region northeast of Kabul that the Taliban has never conquered. From there, Saleh says he is forming an Anti-Taliban Alliance and *will defeat* the Taliban. The report said that before his role as vice president, Saleh was an anti-Taliban guerilla fighter, a "top spy", a "key asset" for the CIA, and became chief of Afghanistan's National Intelligence & Security (the NDS) in 2004.

Saleh stayed behind when Afghanistan's president and other gov't officials fled, and said he has met with the current leader of the Anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. He said he is working closely with the son of the Northern Alliance's former leader and a "vast network of informants" through which he has learned that the Pakistan Air Force is and has been providing support to the Taliban in "certain areas".

He's calling the new anti-Taliban alliance The Panjshir Resistance. (pretty cool name)

The report added that Saleh's sister was tortured and killed by the Taliban in 1996. (motivation!)
 
Murrmurr said:
I heard something very interesting on World is One News this evening - they said Afghanistan's former vice president, Amrullah Saleh, is in Panjshir Valley, a region northeast of Kabul that the Taliban has never conquered. From there, Saleh says he is forming an Anti-Taliban Alliance and *will defeat* the Taliban. The report said that before his role as vice president, Saleh was an anti-Taliban guerilla fighter, a "top spy", a "key asset" for the CIA, and became chief of Afghanistan's National Intelligence & Security (the NDS) in 2004.

Saleh stayed behind when Afghanistan's president and other gov't officials fled, and said he has met with the current leader of the Anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. He said he is working closely with the son of the Northern Alliance's former leader and a "vast network of informants" through which he has learned that the Pakistan Air Force is and has been providing support to the Taliban in "certain areas".

He's calling the new anti-Taliban alliance The Panjshir Resistance. (pretty cool name)

The report added that Saleh's sister was tortured and killed by the Taliban in 1996. (motivation!)
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An anti-Taliban guerilla fighter, a top spy, a key asset for the CIA. Another "reliable source" no doubt. Ho-hum.

Ps. Another Washington-Afghani ass-kissing arrangement the Lion of Panjshir (Ahmad Shah Massoud) was also a cool name.
 
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funny cartoon which illustrates the situation in Afghanistan:


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Any nation and population which is founded on strong religious "ideology" will Always fall back on those religious principals in a time of crisis. Islam and Christianity have been at odds with each other for centuries, and for any of our political or military leaders to think that they can change that, is wishful thinking.
 
JimBob1952 said:
What the heck does that mean? You sound a little unhinged.
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RadishRose said:
China and Russia are ready to snuggle up with Afghanistan since allegedly Afghanistan has valuable metals and minerals in its soil.
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Verisure said:
I disagree. It has nothing to do with your (or my) morals. French women who fraternized with German soldiers. What's that? Which government? Vichy? Afghanis who fraternized with Americans. What's that? Those who have the power/government decide what a traitor is. It isn't "complex" at all. Germans occupied France and Americans are occupying Afghanistan. It's as simple as that.
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Verisure said:
If you don't see the similarities then just carry on towards your destination.
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I see you're from Malmo. Are you by any chance a recent arrival from one of the garden spots of the Middle East? Or just a homegrown Taliban fan?
 
JimBob1952 said:
I see you're from Malmo. Are you by any chance a recent arrival from one of the garden spots of the Middle East? Or just a homegrown Taliban fan?
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I am a Taliban emissary here on a recruiting mission. But even a terrorist like myself can see that you are lacking in secular education. Buck up, sonny.
 
Verisure said:
I don't think either of them "Sacrificed to build a free and democratic Afghanistan" but the punchline is true and clear.
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Perhaps the phrase "were sacrificed" is more apropos. After all, now there can be no question that the Taliban's presence in Kabul proves it represents the majority of the people of Afghanistan.
 
Taliban captures female traitor:


The Taliban captured a female Afghan governor who recruited militants to fight the Taliban, report says​


The Taliban captured a female Afghan governor who recruited militants to fight the Taliban, report says (msn.com)


  • The Taliban detained Salima Mazari, one of the few female Afghan governors, The Times of India reported.
  • The report didn't indicate where Mazari was or when Taliban forces captured her.
  • As the governor of the Charkint district, she recruited and trained militants to fight the Taliban.
Salima Mazari, one of the few female governors in Afghanistan, has been detained by the Taliban, The Times of India reported on Wednesday, citing local reports.

Nadia Momand, a TV journalist in Afghanistan, tweeted on Wednesday that the Taliban had reportedly captured Mazari. Momand called for her release. The Times of India report didn't indicate where Mazari was or when the Taliban captured her.

Mazari, 40, is the governor of Charkint district in northern Afghanistan, which has a population of more than 30,000 people. She has been recruiting and training militants to fight against Taliban insurgents since 2019, The Guardian reported last week.

Mazari was born in Iran in 1980. Her family had fled the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and Mazari returned to the country decades later, The Guardian said. She was appointed governor in 2018, making her one of the few women in male-dominated Afghan politics, NPR reported.

She has been a force in the fight against the Taliban. "Sometimes I'm in the office in Charkint, and other times I have to pick up a gun and join the battle," she told The Guardian.

By the first week of August, half of Mazari's district was under Taliban rule, and she had recruited 600 locals to shore up the district's defense, Agence France-Presse reported. Many of them were farmers who had sold their livestock to buy weapons, Mazari told the AFP.

Her district was one of the last standing before the country fell to the Taliban over the weekend.






After WW II Christian Europeans took female traitors to the scaffold. Let's see if the Muslim Taliban will do the same. If it does then no one should raise any objection because the Muslim standard of retribution would be no different than that of Christians.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
After WW II Christian Europeans took female traitors to the scaffold. Let's see if the Muslim Taliban will do the same. If it does then no one should raise any objection because the Muslim standard of retribution would be no different than that of Christians.
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Although there are people who are neither Christian nor Muslim. Regardless, there's nothing to say that anyone (Muslim, Christian or anything else) must not object because of something that happened earlier.
 
Devi said:
Although there are people who are neither Christian nor Muslim. Regardless, there's nothing to say that anyone (Muslim, Christian or anything else) must not object because of something that happened earlier.
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Point taken, after all, many of those European partisans who executed collaborators were Jewish, Muslim, and possibly other religion or none at all. Still, my point was that execution of traitors is universal. Thus, if we Westerners had no objection to Christians doing it then we have no complaint when others follow our example.
 
Verisure said:
I am a Taliban emissary here on a recruiting mission. But even a terrorist like myself can see that you are lacking in secular education. Buck up, sonny.
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Insults, how nice. You might want to try your luck on a Reddit board.
 

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