Verisure
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They are called "traitors". What do you think the Afghan government should do with them .... give them a big house with a two-car garage as a booby prize? Is that what was done with William Joyce and Eddie Slovik?
Will The Taliban Take Kabul on 9-11?
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Warrigal
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"Within the framework of Islam" - here's the rub. The Talibans' idea of what Islam allows is extremely backward. Take education, for example. "Girls will be allowed an education" will probably mean that they can go to an Islamic girls school until 12 years of age after which they will be married off to a Taliban member. No mention of them having the right to seek the education of their own choice.
"No retribution against soldiers, contractors" doesn't mean that they will be forgiven. More likely they will be closely watched and punished for things that they do or say from now on. They may even have to prove their loyalty to their idea of Islam. The slightest slip and they, and possibly their family, will be subject to the full severity of punishments sanctioned by medieval Islam.
If I was Afghani I would not trust that the Taliban is an evolved organisation.
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fmdog44
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They also get free Blackhawk attack helicopters and high tech surveillance gear. I guess our troop commanders did not want to blow them up for fear of being criticized for destruction of government property.
oldiebutgoody
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Traitors is what they are. What follows is a very interesting article re women who collaborated with Nazis:
Sleeping with the enemy: Collaborator Girls (warhistoryonline.com)
At first they prospered and had a great time. Then there was hell to pay. That is the inevitable consequences of treason.
Famous movie ~ Five Branded Women:
5 Branded Women (1960) - IMDb
War is hell. So is treason.
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Verisure
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That's the truth of the matter. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I was amazed at the video on the news, showing hundreds of people crammed into the cargo hold of that big US cargo plane. I don't know where they were taken, but if the flight lasted more than a couple of hours, that aircraft was probably a cesspool of feces and urine.
Verisure
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Boxcars to Auschwitz.
Murrmurr
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I'm waiting to see who fills the gap.
oldiebutgoody
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This is one of the reasons why the people of Afghanistan hated the puppet government imposed by the West invaders:
Interpol urged to arrest Ghani for ‘stealing public wealth’ (tribune.com.pk)
The Afghanistan embassy in Tajikistan has demanded Interpol police to arrest former president Ashraf Ghani and his aides who fled the country after the collapse of their government as the Taliban seized control of Kabul.
The Afghanistan embassy in Tajikistan has asked Interpol police to detain Ashraf Ghani, Hamdallah Mohib and Fazal Mahmood Fazli on charges of stealing public wealth so that funds could be returned to Afghanistan, Afghanistan’s Tolonews reported while quoting sources.
Russia's embassy in Kabul said on Monday that Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in, the RIA news agency reported.
"Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," Nikita Ishchenko, a spokesperson for the Russian embassy in Kabul, was quoted as saying by RIA.
*****Also read: Defiant Amrullah Saleh declares himself caretaker president of Afghanistan
Meanwhile, BBC journalist Kawoon Khamoosh has quoted the Afghanistan ambassador in Tajikistan as saying that “Ashraf Ghani escaped with bags full of 169 million US dollars when Kabul was falling”.
Ghani, whose current whereabouts are unknown, said he left Afghanistan on Sunday as the Taliban entered Kabul virtually unopposed. He said he wanted to avoid bloodshed.
Ghani's destination was uncertain: a senior Interior Ministry official said he had left for Tajikistan, while a Foreign Ministry official said his location was unknown and the Taliban said it was checking his whereabouts.
Some local social media users branded him a "coward" for leaving them in chaos.
***** interesting how the media keep referring to Talibani as "insurgents" and its leadership as "defiant"
Suffice it to say that the puppet regime was corrupt, it gave away wealth to the wealthy, it disregarded the poor, and it kissed up to the invading Western imperialists. Small wonder why the people of Afghanistan to refused to fight against them.
Afghan embassy urges Interpol to arrest Ghani for ‘stealing public wealth’
Former president ‘escaped with bags full of $169 million when Kabul was falling’Interpol urged to arrest Ghani for ‘stealing public wealth’ (tribune.com.pk)
The Afghanistan embassy in Tajikistan has demanded Interpol police to arrest former president Ashraf Ghani and his aides who fled the country after the collapse of their government as the Taliban seized control of Kabul.
The Afghanistan embassy in Tajikistan has asked Interpol police to detain Ashraf Ghani, Hamdallah Mohib and Fazal Mahmood Fazli on charges of stealing public wealth so that funds could be returned to Afghanistan, Afghanistan’s Tolonews reported while quoting sources.
Russia's embassy in Kabul said on Monday that Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in, the RIA news agency reported.
"Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," Nikita Ishchenko, a spokesperson for the Russian embassy in Kabul, was quoted as saying by RIA.
*****Also read: Defiant Amrullah Saleh declares himself caretaker president of Afghanistan
Meanwhile, BBC journalist Kawoon Khamoosh has quoted the Afghanistan ambassador in Tajikistan as saying that “Ashraf Ghani escaped with bags full of 169 million US dollars when Kabul was falling”.
Ghani, whose current whereabouts are unknown, said he left Afghanistan on Sunday as the Taliban entered Kabul virtually unopposed. He said he wanted to avoid bloodshed.
Ghani's destination was uncertain: a senior Interior Ministry official said he had left for Tajikistan, while a Foreign Ministry official said his location was unknown and the Taliban said it was checking his whereabouts.
Some local social media users branded him a "coward" for leaving them in chaos.
***** interesting how the media keep referring to Talibani as "insurgents" and its leadership as "defiant"
Suffice it to say that the puppet regime was corrupt, it gave away wealth to the wealthy, it disregarded the poor, and it kissed up to the invading Western imperialists. Small wonder why the people of Afghanistan to refused to fight against them.
Verisure
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Is it a given that someone will and if so who do you think is the most likely to do it?
Verisure
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There must be many reasons ...
It's the South Vietnamese corrupt Catholic regime (Bao Dai & Ngo Dinh Diem) all over again. Yet some will feign surprise.
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oldiebutgoody
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All over the internet and news media people can readily access information which proves the puppet regime was corrupt and stole billions. Monies that were intended to help the poor went into the pockets of the rich. Yet, certain pro war delusionals who feel the invading West can do no wrong will still applaud this and further terrorist invasions. People like me have been telling these delusionals the truth going all the way back to the 1960s but they still refuse to learn. But watch - there will be another war soon. Real soon. And they will repeat the same phony excuses and "justifications" for more failed war. They will claim that it is all in the name of American patriotism. I say, PHOOEY. It is done in the name of American treason.
Verisure
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oldiebutgoody
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I'm sure they won't. On another website I get words such as "Communist", "America hater", and "drug addict" for making the same posts you see me post here. The hate, willful ignorance, and delusionalism of these people never ends.
Verisure
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Ohhh, yes. I have a few of them on my "ignore" list. It's a lack of proper education, an inferior educational system. That's is to say that nothing is being taught about Democracy but a whole lot of propaganda that says black is white ... right is wrong .... you're either with us against us .... love it or leave it ..... and suicide bombers are cowards. It's just like the Bible: Faith, it's all about faith - no logic whatsoever but "you best believe it" anyway. It is so sickening that the people who really want the US to hold its head up high and join "the good guys" are being slandered. What is the solution, you tell me, please.
Alligatorob
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It can be hard to know what a "traitor" is or should be in a place like Afghanistan. Easier in the case of the women in nazi occupied countries during WWII.
Afghanistan is a very complex place, lots of differences in ethnicities and language. Who should these people be loyal to? I don't know, and I doubt if any of us here knows. The crux of the problem I think.
oldiebutgoody
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In Europe during the Nazi era there was a foreign occupier. Easy to point to that enemy, as you say. In Afghanistan, they had a puppet foreign imposed regime (just like Quisling was by Hitler). Thus, every faction in that country had a common enemy. Same as happened in the Balkans during WW II. This was (and remained thereafter) a highly factionalized society. But they knew their common enemy and opposed him with their blood. In the Balkans each ethnic group had what were called "partisans". In Afghanistan they had tribal "war lords". Both essentially the same thing. Different factions, different loyalties. But one common enemy: a corrupt foreign imposed tyrant. Perhaps you and other Westerners may not see it this way but people of that country viewed Bush just like we viewed Hitler (a foreign evil doer who invaded and tried to impose his wicked will). And they viewed the puppet regime precisely as the Norwegians viewed Quisling. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, justice was on their side. This is why they fought (not against the Taliban, but against their real enemy the USA and foreign tyranny) and won.
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China and Russia are ready to snuggle up with Afghanistan since allegedly Afghanistan has valuable metals and minerals in its soil.
oldiebutgoody
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I have read reports that both countries gave a considerable amount of capital to Afghanistan during the 20 year foreign occupation. Both, no doubt, are eager to get that money back and will likely use diplomatic measures to secure profitable exploratory and mining contracts in order to recapture those monies.
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The Taliban will have little trouble finding out who the "traitors" are; anyone who work with or for the US military, right down to the interpreters, the guys who brought them tea, and the kids who brushed the mud off their boots.
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China wants to. They need that straight between them and Afghanistan, the Wakhan Corridor. They have to be cautious, for obvious reasons, but so far looks like talks are still on the friendly side.
I'm waiting for more information.
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There's also a piece of land China wants to control, the Wakhan Corridor, which would give China a straight shot to Turkmenistan and Iran, and a big boost to their Belt & Road initiative. Plus, trillions in rare earth metals. They have lots of $$$ dangling in front of the Taliban.
Russia was still in wait-and-see mode last I heard. But that was yesterday.
Alligatorob
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Yeah, if you define "traitor" as someone who aided the looser. Do you see Robert E Lee and the Confederates as traitors? I know some do, but I suspect most don't.
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The Taliban will almost definitely define ""traitor" as someone who aided the West. And, most definitely, they would not consider the Confederates as traitors...but maybe as "rebels", like most of the US considered them.
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LOL, I doubt the Taliban know who the Confederates were.
I know its all semantics, but how do armed violent rebels differ from traitors? As the descendant of several Confederate soldiers I would prefer to think of them as loyal rebels, but can see how others might not.
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