What Do Real Muslims Believe?

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Warrigal said:
You sound like the fifteen year old girls who used to ask my permission for something they planned to do. In most cases it was a trap. If I gave my approval without knowing exactly what they had in mind (they tended to leave out details that they knew I would not sanction) then when the excrement hit the rotor they would say, "But Miss said it was OK".

I'm sure you will excuse me if I don't give you my answer.
I'll just remind you of the proverb, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread".
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Well, I guess I answered for you 😂. He’s got my permission 🙄
 

senior chef said:
How conveniently you forget about the 4 hijacked passenger jets on 9-11. maybe it was those darn Eskimos ?
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See, you should have stuck with a quote or bowing out of the conversation. The question of radicals has been addressed, you have insulted Eskimos by linking them to 911 (no dash), and don’t you live in Mexico? Are you a citizen of the USA, Mexico, or both?

Cause I am a bit touchy, ok very touchy, about the subject of 911 and 911 comments.
 
feywon said:
Thank you, Diva, that was the point of my remarks about if he quoted the Quran to support his assumptions, prejudice:
All scriptures are open to interpretation, for good and ill.
The Abrahamic (again for those who don't know their theological history- Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the Grandfather, Father and Son faiths who are founded on the same beliefs and practices) religions are particularly prone susceptible due to all the translations and interpretations, as evidenced by the many 'cousins'---all the small offshoot sects that use the same scriptures but interpret differently.

Another point was that unless the reader knows at least some of the original language they don't have enough info on which to base their 'interpretations' of the scriptures. Correct me if i'm wrong but at one time weren't Muslim children required to read the Quran in the original for precisely that reason? Catholic church for a long time discouraged any independent reading of the Bible because they felt it would 'confuse' people. (Not surprising for a clergy that handpicked what books were included and which were ignored.) i was impressed with JW's encouraging people to read for themselves till i realized from research and personal experience with their 'missionaries' that they actually do a good bit of 'guiding' converts' interpretations down the path founder Russell laid out.

All the previous contributed to my leaving organized religion, a spiritual choice which was essentially confirmed during NDE. But last night reading this thread it occurred me that over the years i've known Atheists who would get good chuckle out these debates, some of them would likely condescendingly compare it to arguments about comic book heroes. i generally point out to them that the flaws in religions can all be traced to human flaws, human tendencies--including starting out with good intentions but sometimes getting corrupted by the power over other humans faith can wield. Western religions aren't alone in preaching charitable acts, compassion, but as @Warrigal pointed out they are also not alone in having the principles of their faith misused, misapplied by their followers.

To quote Walt Kelly's Pogo--"We have met the enemy and he is us." Which was a parody of a statement made by a General in the War of 1812 ("We have met the enemy and he is ours."-- Wm. H. Harrison) 36. “We Have Met the Enemy and He Is Us” – Tales from the Vault: 40 Years / 40 Stories (osu.edu)
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As far as I know the Catholic Church still does not encourage the reading of the Bible. After all the Bible was written by old men with bad memories relying on hearsay and rumors 😂
 
I'm going out on a limb here but I'd say that real Muslims and probably many real Non-Muslim peoples as well believe that C-A-T spells 🐱

Then though, there are probably a few others who would argue the point that in some other language or alphabet, C-A-T does not spell 🐱

There will always be some who wish to argue, possibly because they derive some pleasure from doing so. I say, let cooler heads prevail, no matter their religious affiliation or lack thereof.
 
Alligatorob said:
This is a great thread, thanks Diva.

Can we blame Christians or Christianity for the Oklahoma City bombing? Timothy McVeigh was Christian.
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We could and some people may but that doesn't make it so. Personally I think that some people just do bad things and blame doesn't undo the damage. Oftentimes laying and holding onto blame just delays the healing of the original tragic action. Whom shall we blame for our inability to get along on the same planet? Is that a religious fault or a man made situation? You decide.
 
Aneeda72 said:
As far as I know the Catholic Church still does not encourage the reading of the Bible. After all the Bible was written by old men with bad memories relying on hearsay and rumors 😂
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I am not a member of the Catholic church but I did teach in a Catholic school for 25 years and can assure everyone that reading the scriptures has been encouraged by the laity ever since Vatican II in 1962-65. The switch from the Latin mass to the vernacular and reading the bible for oneself took some adjustment for many but it is part and parcel of Catholic practice today. Personal meditation on passages of scripture in a group or alone is not uncommon.
 
Maybe clarifying the differance between being a Muslim & following the religion of Muslims would make a differance.

Misuses of Islam and Muslim

Islam : grammatically speaking, Islam should only refer to the religion or acts done in the name of that religion, never a person who practices that religion. Islamic community and Islamic art are correct, Islamic man is not.
Muslim should be used to describe all people of the Islamic faith but not the faith itself. You may say that you are interested in the religion of Muslims, but never in the Muslim religion.
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-islam-and-muslim/

Following that. In the Quran like the bible there are directions for the faithful to follow. IMO the directions in the bible have pretty much been eliminated by civil law. But within the Islamic faith there are radicals that cling to directions contrary to what civil society views as acceptable now.

Probably the best example I can think of is what is taking place in Afghanistan right now.

Muslims are fleeing other Muslims. Radical Islamics vs. peaceful Muslims.
 
senior chef said:
Do you think it is safe for me to quote verses from the Quran without being banned ? If so, I would only post the quotes and not say a single other word.
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@senior chef , I can't speak for admin but I can speak from my experience.
I have quoted the Bible multiple times over the years and have never been banned.

And I've also said more than "a single word". But I don't argue or try to change anyone's mind. I simply give the Bible's perspective in the discussion. And sometimes clarify misunderstandings about what it's saying as I see it.
 
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Pecos said:
Diva, yours is an excellent post. It is such a shame that so many evil people are willing to distort religion for their own purposes and it is such a shame that so many other people are so willing to believe the worst without even thinking. I have known a number of Muslims and I never detected the least difference between their value system and mine.

You are absolutely right that the biggest threat in this country right now is white supremacy. I worry a great deal about what they are trying to do.
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Define: White Supremacy and not the political jargon off the Internet.
 
An anecdote from several years ago. I was at the dentist office waiting room waiting on a friend I had given a ride to. A young Muslim employee was busily and happily decorating the office Christmas tree. I went over to chat, "Nice tree and all that". She said something along the line that it was her first Christmas here in this country and LOVED al the holiday things..the lights, decorations, and even the spirit of the season. So, even though she was Muslim, she was respectful of beliefs that were not her own. There was no one else there, beside the receptionist. This young lady leaned over and said, softly, "I do not like what my people have done to yours. I assume referencing 9/11,
 
I am afraid hijacking someone religion is part of the norm.
This has been going on since 1099 when the First Crusade for Jerusalem was launched.
Later on, in the year 1478, The Spanish Inquisition was launched and so on and so forth all through History someone has hijacked a religion and have killed millions in the name of God and sadly this will continue because no one has learnt anything from History.
 
helenbacque said:
As well as the Christians who try to 'pray away the gay'. Responsible for many teen suicides. It's horrible what we do to others in the name of religion.
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As great grandmother to a great granddaughter who is non-binary anyone who tries to “pray away the gay” sickens me. She is often mistaken for a boy and at 10 has not yet decided but is exploring her possibilities. We are careful to simply accept her.

Two of my three granddaughters went to their senior proms with girls as they were non binary as well. As one person put it (I forget who) you love who you love; that’s all that matters.
 
I have great respect for devout folks, no matter their persuasion
I'm thankful for the friends I have from many beliefs
Very eye opening
Seems the thread of be nice is pretty much woven all thru the ones with which I've touched

I'm also thankful for my belief, my Savior

I need that forgiveness

I really....really....need it
 
Aneeda72 said:
As great grandmother to a great granddaughter who is non-binary anyone who tries to “pray away the gay” sickens me. She is often mistaken for a boy and at 10 has not yet decided but is exploring her possibilities. We are careful to simply accept her.

Two of my three granddaughters went to their senior proms with girls as they were non binary as well. As one person put it (I forget who) you love who you love; that’s all that matters.
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Absolutely: Love is love!
 
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