40% of San Francisco residents plan to leave due to quality of life: Poll

Fair enough, but how were the respondents selected?
Thank you for that. As we've both said, you'd have to know the particulars of the poll, which we do not. Questioning the selection process would be a good first step but it's not high on my radar given all the other indicators of people leaving San Francisco. I suspect the poll isn't far off.
 

Thank you for that. As we've both said, you'd have to know the particulars of the poll, which we do not. Questioning the selection process would be a good first step but it's not high on my radar given all the other indicators of people leaving San Francisco. I suspect the poll isn't far off.
Although,it`s not just San Francisco that is losing people-people are leaving California in droves for other states. My husband and I are among them. We are both California natives-he was born in San Francisco and I was born about 20 minutes south of SF. I would never have dreamed we would leave. But 30 years ago we left the Bay Area for a Northern California resort town and although we loved it there and planned on staying forever,the wildfire threat and the cost of living made us finally change our minds. So we have recently moved to Idaho,as has our eldest daughter and her husband and our youngest will be here soon with her family. Our eldest grandson and his wife hope to relocate here as well. It has been a very nice feeling so far this year to not have to worry about fires-and they have been having at least one per day.
 
I really enjoyed my trips to San Francisco, but you people are correct. It's very expensive. I especially enjoyed the Marina area and of course, Fisherman's Wharf. Being on the Bay and watching the ships are enjoyable. It's a great place to people watch.
 

Although,it`s not just San Francisco that is losing people-people are leaving California in droves for other states. My husband and I are among them. We are both California natives-he was born in San Francisco and I was born about 20 minutes south of SF. I would never have dreamed we would leave. But 30 years ago we left the Bay Area for a Northern California resort town and although we loved it there and planned on staying forever,the wildfire threat and the cost of living made us finally change our minds. So we have recently moved to Idaho,as has our eldest daughter and her husband and our youngest will be here soon with her family. Our eldest grandson and his wife hope to relocate here as well. It has been a very nice feeling so far this year to not have to worry about fires-and they have been having at least one per day.

Wishing your family a good future in Idaho @Mrs. Robinson .. It had to be very difficult to uproot after a lifetime in Ca.

So hard watching what is going on with the West Coast.
 
I was drafted in 1972. I went back to visit where I grew up...Silicon Valley. While driving through Sacramento, I felt like I had just entered a Nascar race! Even Police cars were going 80, when for a few 100 miles I was going only 65. It got really weird as I approached home. Mind you this was only 3 years after I left. I couldn't recognize where I was because so much had been changed into commercial buildings mainly about computers. The traffic was INSANE. This is not where I grew up in only a couple years. I thought the idea of "You can never go home" was going to take a few more years than a blink of an eye. I haven't been back for 30 years.
 
Ha, it's the hippies of the 60's grandchildren doing the smash and grab.
What to do, what to do?
Pay heed unless you wish to become another Detroit.
 
Given that the denizens of this once-beautiful city created this mess (by their voting practices), it would be prudent to be well away from wherever they go.
I'm a Native San Franciscan and I can tell you that it wasn't my fellow natives who ruined our beloved city. It was our fellow Americans from all over the United States who came to San Francisco and ruined it. Now, don't get me wrong, this is not to say that everyone who arrived in San Francisco was a nutcase, it's to say that the overwhelming number of misfits who came to San Francisco were from elsewhere. Years ago I knew a sheriff's deputy who worked at the county jail and according to him, more than 90% percent of people being arrested in San Francisco were from out-of-state. Anyway, I left the city in 2005 and California in 2019 and I have no desire to go back----except to visit family and friends.
 
San Francisco was a beautiful city. I remember walking from downtown to the bay and took the cable car back. This was about 1990. No one bothered me. I don't know why people stay at this point.

I listen to KGO talk radio from SF. Some of the hosts will say "if you want to leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out" I guess these people don't get that there is more to quality of life than what the SF bay area has to offer.
 
if you want to leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out
There are some politicized media that are always quoting some "poll" about people leaving California "in droves" because of the [insert complaint].
My view: good, if they don't like it here, leave and take some of your like-minded associates with you.

The reality: people come and go from every state or city all the time. Most often the reasons have nothing to do with idealogy, rather personal life situations. Separating fact from fiction is a never-ending process.
 
There are some politicized media that are always quoting some "poll" about people leaving California "in droves" because of the [insert complaint].
My view: good, if they don't like it here, leave and take some of your like-minded associates with you.

The reality: people come and go from every state or city all the time. Most often the reasons have nothing to do with idealogy, rather personal life situations. Separating fact from fiction is a never-ending process.
I just don't like the snarky attitude some of these radio hosts convey. Perhaps they are all settled, can afford their housing. Many people aren't. I don't think it often has anything to do with mind set. It's survival. What one can afford, are there jobs in cheaper states available for the people. Did your house burn down (Paradise, Ca) and you just decided enough is enough? I guess there are many reasons people move and I don't think political or personal views are often the case. People want a home they can afford and if they have kids, put them through college.
 
Did you know that the UK Office of National Statistics estimate that the number of USA citizens living in the UK was 139,000 with a confidence interval of 18,000. This means that we are 95% confident that the true figure is in the range 121,000 to 157,000. We do not have any data about the US state from which they came. This was a sample poll taken during the year 2016/2017.

Here is a fascinating precis from a New York lady on her move to the UK. https://www.insider.com/what-is-it-...w-much-more-space-i-can-rent-with-my-budget-5
 
From the New York Post ... https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/why-ny-and-california-are-losing-people-power-to-texas-and-florida/


Californians and New Yorkers are voting with their feet, which means Texas and Florida are getting more votes.

For the first time in its history, California will lose a seat in the House of Representatives because its population has declined relative to the other states. New York state is losing a seat for the same reason.

Meanwhile, Texas will be picking up two House seats, and my fellow Texans are distinctly of two minds about that: Growth has its benefits, and homeowners are enjoying watching our equity boom, but there are those among us who would prefer that Californians remain safely quarantined in California rather than see them colonize Austin and Dallas.

There are similar feelings in the air in Florida, which is gaining one House member. New York lost a seat because it came up short by 89 people, and you can find all 89 of them standing in line at that one good bagel place in Palm Beach.
 
There are some politicized media that are always quoting some "poll" about people leaving California "in droves" because of the [insert complaint].
My view: good, if they don't like it here, leave and take some of your like-minded associates with you.

The reality: people come and go from every state or city all the time. Most often the reasons have nothing to do with idealogy, rather personal life situations. Separating fact from fiction is a never-ending process.
Don't tell those that lived in New York City that. On my trips down to Florida I have spoken with many former NYC residents. Almost every one of them stated their reason for leaving had a connection to their government. It's like hearing a recorded message. di Blasio this and di Blasio that. On my last trip, they were bashing their new Governor with Hochul this and Hochul that. The weird part was that they start out by saying, I'm a democrat, but di Blasio or Hochul yadda, yadda, yadda.
 
NYC on the other coast is experiencing something similar. Rampant shoplifting along with other crime increases.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/09/nyc-drug-store-shelves-empty-amid-shoplifting-surge/

A lot of people in one area equals a lot of potential victims and opportunities for criminals.
I saw a video yesterday showing guys that went into a Walgreens and while the one man was loading his bag, the other man was tally up the amount on a calculator. I had to laugh, even though it was far from being funny. This happened in NYC.
 
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I know the county you lived in @Mrs. Robinson It's a beautiful area, blue skies, but it has had a lot of fires. Former co-workers, (married couple) had a nice piece of land with a newer manufactured home on it in the valley. They sold and moved. I think to Montana or Wyoming. I can't remember. I'm not 100% sure for their reasoning.
 
I know the county you lived in @Mrs. Robinson It's a beautiful area, blue skies, but it has had a lot of fires. Former co-workers, (married couple) had a nice piece of land with a newer manufactured home on it in the valley. They sold and moved. I think to Montana or Wyoming. I can't remember. I'm not 100% sure for their reasoning.
I loved where we lived.Living there was a dream come true,really. Grew up there on the weekends since I was 2 and then we moved there when I was 40. Lived there for 30 years. I don`t really LOVE Idaho,but I do love our new home and love that hubby doesn`t have to work anymore. And,of course,love not having to worry about fires all the time-not to mention paying the exorbitant fire insurance rates...But nothing will ever compare to the beauty of Lake County for me. But we do and will visit a lot!
 
Would you want to move to the areas that Walgreens has abandoned and Targets close at 6pm? It is logical to think that after those who are currently leaving increasingly crime impacted areas--and housing costs go down as a result of their leaving--that crime will be more rampant.
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Many people don't understand the target market for Walgreens. They are NOT located in nice quiet residential areas, full of SFHs. Their stores are deliberately small in size, higher in price than the "big pharmacy/drugstore chains", and they site them in very high density, mixed-use, lower income or business-only neighborhoods.

In SF's Financial District, where it's nothing but hotels and businesses of all sizes, there was literally a Walgreens sited every 3 blocks from another. The FiDi isn't large but up until just a few years ago, I'd say there were at least 10 stores within a 3 mile area.

CA is still growing in population, btw, just more slowly than some other states. Also, SF is VERY SMALL. You can walk across it in a couple of hours: it's only 7 miles by 7 miles square.

Making blanket statements about SF is fine, but realize that they are not going to apply to most of CA, which is highly diverse socially and politically. SF is not even the largest city in Northern CA in population.

I have lived in the SFBA since 1969 and not a single middle-class person I know has ever bought a home in SF. A condo, yes; and many have done very well doing so. But a SFH? Not unless you're in the upper 5% in net income - and in CA, that is actually a very sizable #.

It might interest people to know that in every study done over the last 20 years, the people moving OUT of CA on average are less well educated and earn less than the people moving INTO California. It's just basic economics: people whose net worth is illiquid must sell RE to access that profit, while people whose net worth is higher have more options about where they live/work.

Trust me, LeBron James knew full well he was going to pay several million $$$$ more in taxes coming to live in CA compared to living in Cleveland and Miami.

Edited to add: Apropos article today in local paper discussing Walgreen's closures. Walgreens has about 10,000 locations across the US, and already announced back in 2019 their intentions to close 200 stores.....and remember, this # was announced BEFORE the pandemic and lockdown happened.

I think SF can afford to lose a good # of their Walgreens, frankly. And I say this being a fan of shopping at Walgreens, because they ARE smaller which makes things easier to find.
 
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Saw that. Like NYC for a city that relies alot on tourism for that reason alone they would crack down. If they catch these robbers I'd say no bail regardless of their stories.

Also SF already the car break in champion saw a 700% plus increase in car break ins over the last year(look at related stories in op article)
 


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