Mink

If you want a real fur, buy it unless it is a snow leopard hide or any other endangered beast.
Wild mink love eating chickens and other farm animals.
 

Cookie said:
...........Then there is the seal slaughter that takes place every spring in the east coast here, which is dying out, but very disturbing. The seal fur is not wanted here but is exported overseas somewhere, maybe China?
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Actually the seal skins that are taken every year now are pretty much warehoused in Newfoundland/Labrador because the EU is closed to Canada's seal skins. The people in Europe, via their representatives actually had a referendum and subsequently banned the import except for any seal products that come from the Inuit. Skins and such from native hunts are still accepted but not from the commercial sealers.

A couple years ago, Harper made a big deal about getting an agreement from China to take them but that never materialized. So Cookie, the government is currently buying those skins off the sealers these days and storing them (just in case a market does open up someday). And in the meantime, there has been at least one court challenge by Canada, and costing at least $1,000,000.00, against the EU to force them to take a product that the people voted against. Democracy in action!
 

Debby said:
Yep, definitely better on the original owner. As for your second image, don't let our jealousy betray our morals!View attachment 13586
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Morals are becoming a thing of the past, or at least people's definition of them. Just because man can rule over animals doesn't mean he has to kill off the ones there's no good reason to:( I just feel animals were created for some other reason then to be tortured, abused and killed for no, good reason. A fur for someone in the arctic, yes, a fur for someone to show how rich they are, no. Glad you guys have this thread. I'm learning better ways to eat every day. My brother is a vegetarian now, and it's not too late for me to change.
 
Debby said:
A lot of leather does come as a by-product of the meat industry in North America, but believe it or not, India is one of the largest sources of leather. The cattle are bought up and then forced on long marches that are brutal beyond belief to where they are eventually slaughtered. Their tails are broken, chili pepper or tobacco is rubbed into their eyes, anything to get them to get up and keep walking when they collapse from exhaustion and starvation. Then because they've lost so much weight on these marches, they are fed copper sulphate which destroys their kidneys so that they can't pee and then when they arrive at the slaughterhouse they weigh more and are in tortuous agony from a bladder that is stretched way beyond capacity. Remember how you felt ladies if you ever had to go for an ultrasound and couldn't go to the bathroom but you had to sit there? Well imagine if you felt like that and were forced to walk miles with a rope through your nose to keep you in line! Google 'India leather cattle abuse' for more information about where much of the leather in the world market comes from.

Now fur, that is another story of agony and impacts even those who only succumb to that kids jacket with the fur around the hood. I won't put it on here because I'd have to warn you and you wouldn't look at it anyway, but if you were to Google 'China fur farm' you could find a video that shows how they do it in China. Let it suffice to say that the last image on the video I'm thinking of is a small 'raccoon dog' that has been totally skinned, paws cut off with garden clippers and as it's poor raw body is laying there on top of the pile of dead animals, it lifts it's head and looks into the camera and blinks its eyes. I will have that image burned into my brain forever. It is grotesque beyond belief.

So if you must wear something that looks like fur, whether a full length coat or a kids jacket with a fur trimmed hood or whatever, please do not buy something that came off a live animal. Look for that synthetic label and then look again because the real deal might as well be dripping with blood. Their suffering is unimaginable!
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All I can say is I hope those who are cruel are punished, and in the same way would suit me. I've eaten meat for years, but the more of these discussions I see, the less I am willing to "help" them stay in business. I think Planet of the Apes had it right in a lot of ways.
 
darroll said:
If you want a real fur, buy it unless it is a snow leopard hide or any other endangered beast.
Wild mink love eating chickens and other farm animals.
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So do snow leopards or other 'endangered' beasts suffer more than innocent mink and chinchilla and foxes and rabbits and......? Say, how about tiger coats. I'll bet you could approach a tiger farm in China and get them to sell you a skin from some glorious tiger that they've starved to death for the sake of it's bones. Tigers in many areas of the world are in trouble, but this is a tiger FARM so that would make it okay right?A-malnourished-tiger-in-a-002.jpg
 
QS, the east coast snowstorm is scaring everyone. Maybe you just need a hot drink, cocoa with a splash of whisky maybe. Mink coats are things of the past, let's keep them there. :)
 
QuickSilver said:
We aren't getting hit here in Chicago.... because I bought a snow blower this year
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We had the same thing happen the year before. Bought a snow blower, minimal snow, hardly used the darn thing. Then last year, the snow blower (it was second hand) crapped out on us, we had numerous snow storms with 6' drifts across the driveway and wound up having to buy a snow plow and then worried that we wouldn't be able to get out the driveway to go pick it up. This year, the snow plow is on the tractor, we're ready and I was thinking yesterday when the sun was shining that maybe I should give the lawn a quick mowing!
 
Hey Cookie, I gave your link a quick look. I've gotten to the point where I find it very hard to look at how we humans treat animals but I still check out videos and photos from time to time, because it reminds me of why I've made the changes in my life. Not that I'd every go back even without the 'refreshers' but it just reinforces one of the best decisions I've ever made.
 
Debby said:
Hey Cookie, I gave your link a quick look. I've gotten to the point where I find it very hard to look at how we humans treat animals but I still check out videos and photos from time to time, because it reminds me of why I've made the changes in my life. Not that I'd every go back even without the 'refreshers' but it just reinforces one of the best decisions I've ever made.
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Thanks, Debbie, I know seeing and knowing is painful, I just take quick glances now and then - I've been at this most of my life - good to meet a kindred spirit.
 
QS - skip spending money on the mink coat and donate to a worthy cause (Peta) instead. You will feel much better.
 
I was looking at this one..

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No, I've never been attracted to furs, I've always thought of the animal they kill to make them:( I thought it was pretty cool to have all that black leather when I was biking, but today I would never buy a leather jacket. I'm still guilty of boots made of leather, and some shoes. Well, I'm making progress anyway. That pic of the tiger was so heartbreaking. I've always thought the only thing wrong with the world is people, myself very, much included:(
 

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