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Denise, I don't think any less of you for not wanting to use animals for food and clothing as they were intended to be used. It doesn't mean you hate animals you just don't see them as useful. :lol:
 

I thought about that after I said it, like it would make a difference to anyone if "I" thought less of them, lol;) Well, there was a time when I believed that's what animals were put here, as you already know, I'm changing my mind. And I will never agree with inhumane killing of animals, or penning them up to spend their whole life in a cage producing babies.

I love how "some" at least, of our Native Americans killed only for food and clothing. They honored and prayed over the deer for example. I think a lot more people would be turned off to wearing leather/mink coats, eating meat if they actually saw what went on in the slaughter-houses, in the "farms" etc.

Again, it's really about what you believe to be right, or wrong.
 
AZ Jim said:
Phil, wouldn't not using leather be wasteful. I mean we drank the milk, we ate the meat, shouldn't we likewise use the leather?
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IF we drink the milk we don't necessarily have to slaughter Bessie. Eating the meat, well, yeah, in for a penny in for a pound.

I sort of do the same thing with little old ladies when I mug them - I take everything usable. It wouldn't be "green" to leave them with anything more than their skivvies. :cool:
 

rkunsaw said:
Denise, I don't think any less of you for not wanting to use animals for food and clothing as they were intended to be used. It doesn't mean you hate animals you just don't see them as useful. :lol:
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Excuse me for asking but who decided on how they were intended to be used. Is there some user manual out there telling us what animals are intended for? Who wrote it? Whoever it might be, it can all be un-intended when no longer necessary, LOL :playful:
 
Cookie said:
Excuse me for asking but who decided on how they were intended to be used. Is there some user manual out there telling us what animals are intended for? Who wrote it? Whoever it might be, it can all be un-intended when no longer necessary, LOL :playful:
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I think someplace called Genesis 1:26
 
Cookie said:
Excuse me for asking but who decided on how they were intended to be used. Is there some user manual out there telling us what animals are intended for? Who wrote it? Whoever it might be, it can all be un-intended when no longer necessary, LOL :playful:
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Mother nature decided through the process of evolution. Among animals there are herbivores, carnivores, and omnivores. Mother nature put humans in the latter category.
 
This was a study that was done in 1947. They took laboratory animals and they had one group that was a pure vegan, nothing but vegetable material, grains, and fruits and vegetables and nuts; the other had the same basic diet with all the supplements, but they just added some veal powder, some ground up veal, some ground up bone meal and so forth, and the rats that were vegans, or vegetarians, lived 555 days, and the rats that rats that ate the omnivore diet with meat as well as the vegetables and grains lived twice as long, 1020 days. So that’s kind of interesting, but people say “Oh that’s just laboratory animals, and they’re not spiritually elevated” and all that kind of stuff, so let’s keep looking here.

There was a great study that was published in the Denver Post in May of 1996, a few years ago, and this study was done by the State Social Services in Colorado, and they identified all the 415 centenarians in the state of Colorado living at that time. These are people over the age of 100, the oldest was 111, 415 of them, and they sent a social worker out to each one of the, gave them a hot meal to get their blood sugar up, and then sat there eyeball to eyeball and asked them all these questions on 5 pages of questionnaire. They were looking for things they could point to and say this is why these people live to be 100. They found out that two thirds of these 415 centenarians were women, one third were men, so you fellows can live to be 100 if you do everything right. They found out that every religion, every culture was represented in these 415 centenarians, so no group, no religion, no race, no culture had a monopoly on living to be 100. The only one that was 100%, they were all heavy red meat eaters. Every one of them ate red meat twice a day; there was not a single vegetarian in the bunch.
 
Those are truly interesting stats RK, thing is, I for one didn't say it was healthier to be a vegen or vegetarian. For me it's about my soft heart towards animals. I don't know if there are any 100 year old Vegie eaters, I figure there might be, but honestly, I'm not sure I want to live that long the way the world is going.

I do know most of us don't need to wear minks, like this thread is really about, but it's a choice because they're being raised and killed for folks that want to wear mink.
 
Interesting post, rkunsaw, but could use more details - were these all people well off? Are there other criteria? During first world war, depression and second world war meat was scarce. Present day studies have shown red meat in particular contributing to heart disease and cancer, although organic is available.

Animal cruelty aside, is meat viable considering greenhouse gases and destroying eco-systems?

I know this thread was about mink coats, but to me it seems to be about our 'use and abuse' of animals, at the expense of the planet, which affects us all.
 
QuickSilver said:
I think someplace called Genesis 1:26
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And if you read a little further (verse 29) you will see what God intended for people to eat.

'...29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so....'


You will notice that God never said anything about eating the animals.

 
rkunsaw said:
This was a study that was done in 1947. They took laboratory animals and they had one group that was a pure vegan, nothing but vegetable material, grains, and fruits and vegetables and nuts; the other had the same basic diet with all the supplements, but they just added some veal powder, some ground up veal, some ground up bone meal and so forth, and the rats that were vegans, or vegetarians, lived 555 days, and the rats that rats that ate the omnivore diet with meat as well as the vegetables and grains lived twice as long, 1020 days. So that’s kind of interesting, but people say “Oh that’s just laboratory animals, and they’re not spiritually elevated” and all that kind of stuff, so let’s keep looking here.

There was a great study that was published in the Denver Post in May of 1996, a few years ago, and this study was done by the State Social Services in Colorado, and they identified all the 415 centenarians in the state of Colorado living at that time. These are people over the age of 100, the oldest was 111, 415 of them, and they sent a social worker out to each one of the, gave them a hot meal to get their blood sugar up, and then sat there eyeball to eyeball and asked them all these questions on 5 pages of questionnaire. They were looking for things they could point to and say this is why these people live to be 100. They found out that two thirds of these 415 centenarians were women, one third were men, so you fellows can live to be 100 if you do everything right. They found out that every religion, every culture was represented in these 415 centenarians, so no group, no religion, no race, no culture had a monopoly on living to be 100. The only one that was 100%, they were all heavy red meat eaters. Every one of them ate red meat twice a day; there was not a single vegetarian in the bunch.
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Could you provide a link to that first study please.
 
Debby said:
And if you read a little further (verse 29) you will see what God intended for people to eat.

'...29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so....'



You will notice that God never said anything about eating the animals.
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Well maybe... but Texas BBQ wasn't invented yet... lol!

Actually Debby..... He DOES..

Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. (Genesis 9:3-4)

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:5-6)

and he beheld the sky opened up, and a certain object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Arise, Peter, kill and eat!" But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean." And again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy." (Acts 10:11-15)

Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said to them, "Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slay the Passover lamb. And you shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning. For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you." (Exodus 12:21-23)

Be careful Debby...

Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)
 
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