Are you a Christian and do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
~Epicurus

Sorry Epicurus, you just don't get it
God is willing to prevent evil.
and does sometimes because he is omnipotent.
God is able and willing,
but sometimes wants to use evil for good
(e.g. to teach us lessons so we can grow).
He is therefore our loving Father
(not malevolent).
Evil comes from Satan.
Our Father uses Satan when he damn well pleases ☺️
Therefore He is God.
~Lara
 

Sorry Epicurus, you just don't get it
God is willing to prevent evil.
and does sometimes because he is omnipotent.
God is able and willing,
but sometimes wants to use evil for good
(e.g. to teach us lessons so we can grow).
He is therefore our loving Father
(not malevolent).
Evil comes from Satan.
Our Father uses Satan when he damn well pleases ☺️
Therefore He is God.

~Lara
You don't have to agree with me, I can't force you to be right.
 
Just disagreeing with Epicurus, not you Chris, just for fun because he's a famous Greek Philosopher and I'm not.
Took it as a challenge to play off his free-style "Poem". It was suppose to be light and funny...but with truth based on faith
 

Just disagreeing with Epicurus, not you Chris, just for fun because he's a famous Greek Philosopher and I'm not.
Took it as a challenge to play off his free-style "Poem". It was suppose to be light and funny...but with truth based on faith
Well, he wasn't a Christian but at least his words are understandable and to the point. I kind of like that style.
 
The story goes God made heaven & earth. So given that as a belief the reality is God would have to be outside of heaven & earth. My logic
If I were to make a box I couldn't be inside of the box to make it. The box would already exist.
What puzzles me most is why 2 centuries ago all that is supposed to be took place & the "sacrifice" failed miserably. Yet some cling to a belief that a omnipotent super being billions of years old has a plan for their lives.
According to my faith, God is everywhere. He has no limits.
No beginning.
No end.
No box.
No borders.
He's God.
For Eternity.
What "sacrifice" did you mean when you said "the sacrifice failed miserably"?
 
You May not be done with me, but I'm done with this conversation. Been down this road innumerable times,and it's always the same old story. "There are none so blind as those who cannot see" works on both sides of the isle. You deal with your God as you please, and I will deal with mine. Anything more is just pride, and vanity, both sins as I recall. Nuff said. Mike

Not so fast:LOL: @Geezer Garage...
 
Sorry to disagree with you, but I don't think the fact that I am gay is an abomination in any way. How would you feel if I called you an abomination to God? What a disgusting and non-Christian thing to say.

I did not choose to be this way, and God doesn't make mistakes. I don't think my decisions were "bad and senseless". I'm glad your religion is something that gives you satisfaction and hope, but don't try to denigrate my lifestyle. I have a 30-year relationship, which is more than I can say for many "Christians", and I treat others with respect. I grew up with enough criticism of my lifestyle. I don't need yours. (n)
"God does not make junk" is what I heard while on a Marriage Encounter weekend. Those words dived deep down into my soul and have remained there ever since. They have helped me to have patience with the most vexxing of my students and to see the value of every human, no matter how broken.

Love is love, and God asks us to be loving. To deny anyone the right to love and be loved is (IMO) quite contrary to the Word of God we profess, and seek to obey.
 
Well, he wasn't a Christian but at least his words are understandable and to the point. I kind of like that style.
The Epicurean paradox that you presented was included in the only unit of theology I studied after completing my science degree. We were presented with three attempts to resolve the paradox but none of them made any sense to me and in the end my head was spinning.

Then a thought popped into my head as if from God himself (herself?).

It said, wrong question. The right question to consider is, "Who is my neighbour?"

For those who don't know, that question was asked of Jesus by a student of the Law and in answering it Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan, a parable that contains both simple and deeper meanings.

I no longer bother straining my brain with spiritual paradoxes. It only gets in the way of responding to people I come in contact with who are bruised by life, and who need my compassion and help, whatever help I am able to offer. The one thing they do not need is my condemnation.
 
...I think we've made are point, and this discourse has accomplished as much as it can, and will end up like the proverbial dog chasing it's tail. I think this is why most bars, and many internet sites ban conversation about religion, and politics. Not saying it wasn't fun, but think I'm moving on to new frontiers, or at least posts.
Not so fast:LOL:
You May not be done with me, but I'm done with this conversation. Been down this road innumerable times, and it's always the same old story. "There are none so blind as those who cannot see" works on both sides of the isle. You deal with your God as you please, and I will deal with mine. Anything more is just pride, and vanity, both sins as I recall. Nuff said. Mike

My comment, "not so fast:LOL:" wasn't about being done with you. It was about the conversation being done.
And I posted a smilie face indicating I said it light heartedly. No harm, no fowl. *handshake*?

I guess I'll ignore that you said, "You deal with your God as you please, I'll deal with mine, anything more is prideful, vain and a sin".

C'mon. Let's lighten up...okay?
 
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I have fairies living at the bottom of my garden. I haven't seen them, but I believe they exist, after all they couldn't live at the bottom of my garden if they didn't. As far as I can tell, they've always been there, and probably always will be as long as I believe in them. If things go well, I thank them, and if bad things happen, I wonder what I've done to upset them.

Some people might say "Yer bum's oot the windy" (you're talking nonsense), but they don't know what I know. Anyway, that's what I believe and now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to feed the unicorn.
 
To answer the OP: Yes, I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God.

I believe: (JMHO)
The Old Testament gives us the beginnings of our understanding of God and his relationship with man. There are two creation stories in Genesis, probably taken from oral legends of the time and I think they are astonishing in how close they are to what we know of evolution today, particularly if you understand "day" to mean era,

God chose to reveal himself to the Jewish people and through them things like the Ten Commandments were given to us to help us learn how to live as decent people who don't steal or murder. He also gave over 600 minor laws that were specific to the time and climate (don't eat pork, don't spill your seed on the ground, etc). I don't think we need to worry about them too much, now that we have refrigeration and a well populated earth.

Much of The Old Testament is a history of the early Jewish people, their wars, and Kings and the words of wisdom of the Jewish prophets.

I believe:
The new Testament is about Jesus and his teachings. Some of his followers, like Matthew, were educated and could write down his sermons. My Bible has Jesus' words in red. He was Jewish himself and he did not come to change the law as given to them. He was well educated and knew the Law well enough to be discussing it with the learned men in the temple when he was just twelve years old.

His sermons did not attempt to change the law, but to remind us that the laws were meant to teach us how to treat each other. He extended the laws -- for example, don't just not murder your neighbor, don't even be angry at him, don't just be faithful to your wife, don't lust after other women.

He always emphasized that the greatest virtue was to love each other as much as we loved ourselves. That's why I believe he would love gay people as much as anyone else.

After Jesus was crucified for going against the establishment, those who followed him and believed they had talked to him after he rose from the dead, began saying Jesus was the Christ, and so they become know as Christians. I believe that, so I'm a Christian. I don't have to follow every word of the Bible or be perfect all the time to be a Christian, I just have to believe in him.

All the above are just my opinions I don't try to force them on anyone.

I go to a liberal church that welcomes everyone. We are not perfect people. Yes we listen to sermons on Sunday and then do wrong on Monday. Rinse and repeat. We're just trying to get better, please quit judging us as we try not to judge you.

I'm always shocked at the amount of hatred for Christians and the examples used of Christians who take money from poor people or hate gays all seem to come from televangelists and movies. They're about as typical of real Christians as Hollywood Housewives are of the rest of us. My church gives money to the poor every week. I would invite those of you who think Christians are all like Dana Carvey's church-lady to actually go to a mainstream church a few times before making your sweeping judgments.

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. ( Lucius Annaeus Seneca).”
I think I would rather follow Jesus and his message of love for all people, than Lucius Annaeus Seneca and his classist values.
 
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My comment, "not so fast:LOL:" wasn't about being done with you. It was about the conversation being done.
And I posted a smilie face indicating I said it light heartedly. No harm, no fowl. *handshake*?

I guess I'll ignore that you said, "You deal with your God as you please, I'll deal with mine, anything more is prideful, vain and a sin".

C'mon. Let's lighten up...okay?
Huh? How did chickens get into the conversation? :oops:

j/k, couldn't resist!! :)
 
According to my faith, God is everywhere. He has no limits.
No beginning.
No end.
No box.
No borders.
He's God.
For Eternity.
What "sacrifice" did you mean when you said "the sacrifice failed miserably"?
Your definition means that although we think of 'God' as a person, in fact it is not a living entity.
 
Don't be so sure. I move in mysterious ways, my wonders to perform. 😇
Well now you're getting there. ;)

I don't expect to understand God anymore than my dog understands me. Right now she must be wondering how a loving mommy could hand her over to the vet to have all her teeth pulled. I could never explain to her that this will give her better health and longer life and less pain in the long run, because her little brain would never comprehend all that. But she has forgiven me and trusts that I love her. That's me with my little brain and God.

My idea of God is not quite as hands-on as Fancicoffee's. I think He made earth and put us on it and then backed off to allow us to live here in free-will. So if bad things happen He will help us deal with it through giving us comfort and peace of mind, but he's not going to reach out like a big kid with his Play-Family-Village and catch our car when we drive off the cliff.

It may seem very harsh, but our time here is tiny compared with eternity.
 
I was brought up going to church and when I got older I decided to do my own investigating. I have found that I love basing my life on Scripture of the Bible and it is my "stronghold" when hard times come. I still love starting each day praying the Lord's prayer.
According to my faith, God is everywhere. He has no limits.
No beginning.
No end.
No box.
No borders.
He's God.
For Eternity.
What "sacrifice" did you mean when you said "the sacrifice failed miserably"?
I believe in God. Period.
I actually envy you, Fanci, Lara, Leann, and others here who have expressed similar absolute belief.

I just don't see any evidence for or reason to believe. Agnostic by intellect and Christian by culture I guess..
 
I actually envy you, Fanci, Lara, Leann, and others here who have expressed similar absolute belief.
I just don't see any evidence for or reason to believe. Agnostic by intellect and Christian by culture I guess..
That was smooth Alligatorob :love: Buzzing in with flattery and leaving a sting in the end lol
I'm opting for the Intelligent Designer over the "agnostic intellect" both have their touch of faith involved
 
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According to my faith, God is everywhere. He has no limits.
No beginning.
No end.
No box.
No borders.
He's God.
For Eternity.
What "sacrifice" did you mean when you said "the sacrifice failed miserably"?
The sacrifice failing miserably would be the crucifixion. I don't know if you noticed since then mankind hasn't been very kind to each other, animals & the planet. Not an entire failure. If we are to believe the bible we could guess at least it was enough to stop God from flooding the earth again killing everyone except whoever was next in line to build a boat. Kinda scary when you realize Jeff Bezos just built a huge yacht.
 
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