Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that a meeting between the presidents of Russia and Ukraine is conceptually possible, but first, the delegations of negotiators and ministers of the two nations must do their part.
That’s according to Interfax, as reported by Ukrinform.

"No one rules out the possibility of a Putin-Zelensky summit. Yes, indeed, conceptually, it is possible, but first delegations and ministers must do their part so that presidents do not meet just for the sake of process and talks, but meet to achieve a result," said Peskov.

He further confirmed the invariability of the previously voiced "positions of the Russian side," adding that Russia "is waiting for counter-formulations."

Earlier, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky repeatedly, in particular after the start of the war, invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to meet for talks
 

ZAGREB, March 11 (Reuters) - A Soviet-era scouting drone flying across Hungary from Ukraine crashed near the Croatian capital of Zagreb, leaving a big hole in the ground, the Croatian government said on Friday.

No deaths or injuries were reported.

An explosion was heard near Lake Jarun in Zagreb at around 11 p.m. on Thursday, Croatian media reported. Two parachutes were found and several vehicles had been damaged, police said.

The drone, flying at 1,300 metres, came from Hungary and crashed seven minutes after entering Croatia's air space, the government said. Both Hungary and Croatia are NATO members.


Croatian President Zoran Milanovic said that according to preliminary information the drone originally came from Ukraine and crashed once it had run out of fuel.

"We estimate that this was an incident and it was not (military action) directed against Croatia," Milanovic said.

Defence Minister Mario Banozic declined to comment on details.

"This was a very serious incident. We will have to investigate it thoroughly," Banozic told press conference.


He said it was unclear whether the drone belonged to Russia or Ukraine. He also declined to say from where the drone could have originated.

"The investigation will reveal further details," he said.

Russia invaded Ukraine two weeks ago. Russian forces bearing down on the capital Kyiv were regrouping northwest of the city, satellite pictures showed, and Britain said Moscow could now be planning an assault within days. read more


Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said Hungary was closely cooperating with Croatia and other NATO allies over the drone.

"Our authorities are examining what happened, as according to present data, the air space of several NATO members including Hungary was affected by the drone's flight."

Reporting by Antonio Bronic and Krisztina Than; Writing by Ivana Sekularac; Editing by Nick Macfie
 

Murrmurr said:
But negotiating will result in Ukraine becoming a puppet of Putin. He would impose martial law and install a new president, one that will do whatever Putin says. The Ukrainians don't want to live like that.

If no one steps in, Russia will eventually get control of Ukraine, probably within a few weeks. That's why Ukrainian citizens are leaving in droves. In the end, Putin will have control over an under-populated country in complete shambles; buildings, roads, bridges and train tracks destroyed. He can't afford to repair and rebuild, and the EU will be no further away than before, really.
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Perspective https://www.oakparkusd.org/cms/lib5/CA01000794/Centricity/Domain/444/Strengths and Weaknesses.2-3.pdf

And who won?????
 
At the entrance to the Kiev Memorial Park there is a sculpture of a very thin girl with an extremely sad look holding several classes of wheat in her hands. Behind her back is the Candle of Remembrance, a monument with details reminiscent of authentic embroidery that can be found on traditional Ukrainian costumes. This is a monument that marks the historical event known as Holodomor (Hladomor). But what is Holodomor and what crime does this monument even symbolize?
At the end of World War I Ukraine was an independent state, but it was governed by the Soviet Union in 1919 "sucked" into the community of Soviet states. Ukrainians, who then considered themselves a Central European nation like Poland, not an Eastern European like the Russians, were trying to restore Ukraine's independence.
Not wanting to lose control of Europe's main grain, Stalin in 1932 resorted to one of the most heinous forms of terror against a nation. In the process of nationalization, he took the grainy land from Ukrainian peasants, and all its yields, creating artificial hunger. The goal was to "teach Ukrainians" so that they would no longer oppose official Moscow. Thus, the nation that produced the most wheat in Europe was left without a crumb of bread. The peak of the Holodomor was in the spring of 1933. In Ukraine, 17 people starved to death every minute, over 1000 every hour, and almost 24500 every day! People were literally starving to death on the streets.
In the emptied Ukrainian villages Stalin settled the Russian population.
During the next census, there was a large population shortage.
Therefore, the Soviet government abolished the census, destroyed the census documentation, and the censusers were shot or sent to gulag, to completely hide the truth.
It was Holodomor during 1932-1933 hunger killed between seven and ten million people, more than Jews in World War II. Their toxic gas was hunger. Their Hitler was Stalin. Their holocaust was Gladomor. For them fascist Berlin was Soviet Moscow, and their concentration camp was the Soviet Union. Today, 28 countries of the world classify the Holodomor as a genocide, and you could not teach about it in school because almost all evidence has been destroyed, and the victim was silenced for decades and had no say until recently.
The Holodomor may have temporarily broken the Ukrainian resistance, but it made the desire for Ukraine's independence from Russia eternal.
 
As I posted previously, "...SeniorForums is a minor web community where whatever we say and think in civil respectful manners is certain to have infinitesimal consequence on that conflict in the same way our comments don't amount to much nationally or globally on anything else. But it does allow each of we American citizens to understand different perspectives of others. That is what my inputs as someone with little political interests are for, providing a range of perspectives on current events even though they may not reflect the talking points of those with real power or dominant news media. Read my links and make your own decision, you are then welcome to address either pro or con."

The following current interview is one of the best describing a European perspective of the conflict from one of the top minds on what is really going on in the minds of policy elites, that one is unlikely to hear from other news media. She does so honestly, carefully choosing her skilled words that anyone with an intelligent mind will appreciate and be impressed with. I've now watched it twice. The link is for the
DW Conflict Zone contents page that shows a link for the DW Live stream.

https://www.dw.com/en/conflict-zone/s-101431

This tv schedule page link shows the several times each day (PST so recalculate for your time zone) when the interview is repeated live. 1130 1430 1630 1830
https://www.dw.com/en/schedule-and-reception/s-4757

Latest edition 3/8/2022
Guest: Constanze Stelzenmüller
Tim Sebastian interviews Constanze Stelzenmüller, foreign and security policy expert, Brookings Institution.

This second link below is a dated interview posted 8 years ago March 13, 2014, that is a summary history of the region, intelligently presented without bias, shedding an intelligent summary understanding of perspectives on the several opposing groups through decades, mentioning a list of atrocities, critical of all.

https://newcoldwar.org/the-history-of-right-wing-nationalism-in-ukraine/

Svoboda and the history of Ukrainian nationalism: Part one

Per Anders Rudling is an associate professor of the Department of History at Lund University, specializing on nationalism, the Holocaust, and the far right in the Polish-Ukrainian-Belarusian borderlands...
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The below link is an ongoing blog of Jonathan Cook critical of the game being played on both sides, one needs to consume with a large grain of salt that nevertheless is quite educational about the media game of elites, making fools of we manipulated peons of the world.

https://newcoldwar.org/the-wests-hands-in-ukraine-are-as-bloody-as-putins/

...It is a huge ambition for a tiny elite headquartered in the U.S. committed to the endless enrichment of itself by enforcing a binary thinking among Western publics that obscures the real reasons for the planet-wide crises we face. If it succeeds, the West’s war machine will continue trundling over the bodies of the poor and marginalized as it drives us ever faster towards ecological collapse.
 
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...so this is the latest... I hope the Ukrainian government are wrong.. for theirs and for everyone's sake...

Ukraine has today claimed that Belarus is 'set to invade Ukraine' with Alexander Lukashenko's forces poised to cross the border tonight.

Kyiv's Centre for Strategic Communications said it could not rule out the possibility following a meeting in Moscow between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian leader Lukashenko.

'According to preliminary data, Belarusian troops may be drawn into an invasion on March 11 at 9pm (7pm GMT),' the centre, which was established under the Ministry of Culture and Information Policy, said in a statement.

The centre urged Belarusians to defy any unlawful orders - including an invasion - and to rise up against Lukashenko. He has so-far refused to get his men involved in the war, after commanders reportedly quit rather than join the fighting.

Ukraine has also today accused fighter jets of staging a 'false flag' attack on Belarus as a pre-text to getting Alexander Lukashenko's troops involved in the fighting.

Kyiv said two Su-25 bombers crossed the border from Belarus this afternoon, carried out attacks on Ukrainian soil, and then bombed Belarus itself. Defence minister Olexiy Reznikov said the attack was planned by Russia.

'The purpose of this provocation is to force the current leadership of Belarus into war against Ukraine. Moscow is trying to bind you with blood,' he said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Lukashenkos-forces-cross-border-tonight.html
 
...and further still.. from the mentality of a madman...

Putin has placed the head of the FSB's foreign service and his deputy under house arrest after blaming them for intelligence failings that saw his army handed a series of embarrassing defeats in Ukraine, it has been claimed.

Andrey Soldatov, a respected author on the Russian secret services, said sources inside the FSB told him that Sergey Beseda, 68, head of the agency's foreign service, has been placed under arrest on Putin's orders.

Also arrested is Anatoly Bolyukh, Beseda's deputy, according to Soldatov, who said Putin is 'truly unhappy' with the agency - which he ran before becoming president.

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Sergey Orestovich Beseda (pictured) head of the FSB's foreign service, has reportedly been placed under house arrest after the intelligence service took the blame for the war's progress

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Anatoly Bolyukh, deputy head of the 5th Service of the Federal Security Service and head of the operational information department, has also reportedly been arrested

Putin is said to blame the agency for intelligence which assured him ahead of the invasion that Russian forces would face only token resistance from the Ukrainian army and that Ukrainians themselves were eager to be rid of their leaders.

Earlier today, Putin was said to have sacked his top generals and is 'raging' at the FSB after failed intelligence and poor strategy saw his troops handed a series of embarrassing defeats in the opening days of the war in Ukraine.

the organisation did gather good intelligence - but was simply too afraid to tell Putin the truth, instead doctoring their reports to appease him.

That poor decision making has led to Russia suffering much higher casualties than it expected in its attack, which has now been going on for over two weeks.

It seems Moscow had anticipated little resistance when it sent in light forces backed by airstrikes to seize key targets during the opening days, but was met with punishing counter-attacks.

Reliable numbers are hard to come by, but Ukraine believes Russia has lost up to 12,000 men in a fortnight.

European intelligence puts it lower - between 6,000 and 9,000 - and US lower still, at up to 3,000.

Whichever proves accurate, it is almost certainly more than Putin anticipated when he launched the attack in the hope that fighting would be over in just a few days.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...foreign-intelligence-branch-house-arrest.html
 
todalake said:
At the entrance to the Kiev Memorial Park there is a sculpture of a very thin girl with an extremely sad look holding several classes of wheat in her hands. Behind her back is the Candle of Remembrance, a monument with details reminiscent of authentic embroidery that can be found on traditional Ukrainian costumes. This is a monument that marks the historical event known as Holodomor (Hladomor). But what is Holodomor and what crime does this monument even symbolize?
At the end of World War I Ukraine was an independent state, but it was governed by the Soviet Union in 1919 "sucked" into the community of Soviet states. Ukrainians, who then considered themselves a Central European nation like Poland, not an Eastern European like the Russians, were trying to restore Ukraine's independence.
Not wanting to lose control of Europe's main grain, Stalin in 1932 resorted to one of the most heinous forms of terror against a nation. In the process of nationalization, he took the grainy land from Ukrainian peasants, and all its yields, creating artificial hunger. The goal was to "teach Ukrainians" so that they would no longer oppose official Moscow. Thus, the nation that produced the most wheat in Europe was left without a crumb of bread. The peak of the Holodomor was in the spring of 1933. In Ukraine, 17 people starved to death every minute, over 1000 every hour, and almost 24500 every day! People were literally starving to death on the streets.
In the emptied Ukrainian villages Stalin settled the Russian population.
During the next census, there was a large population shortage.
Therefore, the Soviet government abolished the census, destroyed the census documentation, and the censusers were shot or sent to gulag, to completely hide the truth.
It was Holodomor during 1932-1933 hunger killed between seven and ten million people, more than Jews in World War II. Their toxic gas was hunger. Their Hitler was Stalin. Their holocaust was Gladomor. For them fascist Berlin was Soviet Moscow, and their concentration camp was the Soviet Union. Today, 28 countries of the world classify the Holodomor as a genocide, and you could not teach about it in school because almost all evidence has been destroyed, and the victim was silenced for decades and had no say until recently.
The Holodomor may have temporarily broken the Ukrainian resistance, but it made the desire for Ukraine's independence from Russia eternal.
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It was a Welshman,Gareth Jones,who brought Holodomor to the worlds attention.
They made a film about him.Available to rent on you tube.
He met a sticky end..believed to have been perpetrated by the Russians.
 
The latest from Russia, according to the news reports here,
is, the USA with the UK and Ukraine are making weapons of
mass destruction, inside Ukraine.

"Chemical Weapons", he gave them to Assad in Syria, Russia
never used/fired them, they only made them, I hope that he
never gets Belarus to do the dirty work and send inhuman
weapons across the border.

The electricity is also cut off to Chernoble, this prevents the
pumps to cool the plant down and there will be another bad
contamination of a lot of Europe and Russia!

Does he care?

This is all reported on the TV news.

Mike.
 
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2010 it was, @hollydolly I don't remember hating him then. Not even sure I was wary of him in 2010. When the Soviet Union first fell I had hopes for Russia. One of our neighbors in New Hampshire was moving to Moscow to manage a MacDonald's, I thought that was enviable. Being the early '90's, I guess it was rewarding and adventurous.

Sigh. What finally hurt his massive ego, I wonder, or I guess it was his plan from the start. I can say no more. I'd like to know if his parents loved him. Not that that makes any difference. Just babbling. The whole thing is so horrible.

It's a good thing I'm not allowed to say what my Ukrainian neighbors think. You'd wonder if they are the most stupid people who ever breathed free air.
 
Pepper said:
2010 it was, @hollydolly I don't remember hating him then. Not even sure I was wary of him in 2010. When the Soviet Union first fell I had hopes for Russia. One of our neighbors in New Hampshire was moving to Moscow to manage a MacDonald's, I thought that was enviable. Being the early '90's, I guess it was rewarding and adventurous.

Sigh. What finally hurt his massive ego, I wonder, or I guess it was his plan from the start. I can say no more. I'd like to know if his parents loved him. Not that that makes any difference. Just babbling. The whole thing is so horrible.

It's a good thing I'm not allowed to say what my Ukrainian neighbors think. You'd wonder if they are the most stupid people who ever breathed free air.
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I didn't hate him then either ...not that I saw that video in 2010, but a couple of years ago when I did d see it.. still didn't hate him, but it made my skin crawl to watch those showbiz sycophants.. it did then and it does even more so today...
 
dseag2 said:
I have no idea. I would rather gouge my eardrums out than listen to anything that sycophant has to say. He always has the same expression, like he just learned why his mother abandoned him.

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Oh I don't watch that crap but I thought I read it in one of my news feeds last week. I was surprised that any American would side with Russia...but guess I shouldn't have been (and you know why).
 
Anyone old enough to remember the movie The Dirty Dozen?

To replenish the forces waging war against the Ukrainian people, the Russian occupiers are now recruiting convicted prisoners in correctional facilities. Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces. The convicts are being offered the chance to join the occupying forces in exchange for an amnesty. The Russian Armed forces will accept everyone, even those who have no experience in military service."
 
@mellowyellow Heard on the news this morning that Putin is calling for foreign volunteers to come and assist in Ukraine. Probably aimed at Syrians skilled at street fighting. al Asaad owes him big time.

If the mighty Russian army isn't up to the task he is in big trouble. Could it be his army is not on side with war crimes so he is turning to mercenaries to do the dirty work?

I reckon this move will not be revealed to the Russian civilians back home.
 

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