Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

Paco Dennis said:
What revolution was not mob rule? What insane plot it is to turn our jurisprudence into a feudal society. Where the few, the powerful, the wealthy decide how society runs. No...if it takes protest, our even revolution, give me liberty or give me death.
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Er, the American Revolution was not mob rule. That's my whole point. The French Revolution and the Russian Revolution didn't turn out so well.

Get a grip. The Supreme Court is about to overturn a decision. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. This is too important an area to be left up to court decisions; it should be addressed by legislation, preferably at the Federal level.

Trust me, you don't want "revolution." The folks on the other side have all the guns and all the military training.
 

Paco Dennis said:
I think the "Americans" were fighting British mob rule.

You can not legislate morality. Period.
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Britain was a landed aristocracy that taxed the Colonies but denied them representation in Parliament. Autocracy, essentially the opposite of mob rule.

You can certainly legislate morality. "Thou shalt not kill" is a religious, ethical and legal precept. So is "Thou shalt not steal." "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" is a religious and ethical precept that doesn't work so well as a legal precept.

Besides, the whole Roe v. Wade controversy is about the Court getting out of the abortion decision business and leaving it up to state and possibly Federal legislatures to decide. If a law is passed permitting abortion, isn't that "legislating morality?" It's just someone else's morality.
 

Pepper said:
Only if you consider abortion a morality issue. I don't see that and won't be convinced of it
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Of course it's a moral issue. If you believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is a moral issue. My point is that such a belief is a moral belief and shouldn't be a legal precept. I have lots of moral and ethical beliefs. That doesn't mean they should be turned into laws.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Britain was a landed aristocracy that taxed the Colonies but denied them representation in Parliament. Autocracy, essentially the opposite of mob rule.

You can certainly legislate morality. "Thou shalt not kill" is a religious, ethical and legal precept. So is "Thou shalt not steal." "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" is a religious and ethical precept that doesn't work so well as a legal precept.

Besides, the whole Roe v. Wade controversy is about the Court getting out of the abortion decision business and leaving it up to state and possibly Federal legislatures to decide. If a law is passed permitting abortion, isn't that "legislating morality?" It's just someone else's morality.
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Those first commandments didn't work so good either. I want the government both federal and state to get out of business of controlling what a woman does when she is pregnant.
 
I don't believe life begins at conception, and in another parallel universe, I don't give a sh!t if it is.
I'm for the woman having her own choice no matter what. Yes, I am radical about this, the biggest issue of my life.

I'm a mother. I was so glad to have the choice. Having the choice made me love my kids even more. "I chose you" I was in charge and I chose you.
 
My grandma, in the 1920s, was an LPN. Her main jobs concerned women dying from botched abortions. I heard all about it; all about the other kids seeing mama die because she decided she could not be a mother again. My grandma said, on 1/22/73 I was with her and she said it was the second happiest day in her life. I told this story before........maybe told it a thousand times. Women will abort in bad conditions, they will take a risk if they must.

To employ morality as a reason to limit free choice is revolting to me, knowing what I know.
 
Pepper said:
I don't believe life begins at conception, and in another parallel universe, I don't give a sh!t if it is.
I'm for the woman having her own choice no matter what. Yes, I am radical about this, the biggest issue of my life.

I'm a mother. I was so glad to have the choice. Having the choice made me love my kids even more. "I chose you" I was in charge and I chose you.
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My wife and I have made choices of our own. So have we all. You don't believe life begins at conception, but some people do. As long as they don't impose their beliefs on you and others, then we should all be fine.
 
JimBob1952 said:
My wife and I have made choices of our own. So have we all. You don't believe life begins at conception, but some people do. As long as they don't impose their beliefs on you and others, then we should all be fine.
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Pepper said:
Those are the key words & principles! If we don't impose we should all be fine! 😘
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To quote Lily in the AT&T ad, Yeah, I probably should have led with that.
 
JimBob1952 said:
You can certainly legislate morality. "Thou shalt not kill" is a religious, ethical and legal precept. So is "Thou shalt not steal." "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" is a religious and ethical precept that doesn't work so well as a legal precept.
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No, we don't legislate morality. True, murder is immoral, and it's also illegal. Gluttony is immoral, but it isn't illegal. Neither is infidelity, though in some states it used to be. Homosexuality was once illegal, but our Supreme Court decided not to use morality as law.
 
Don M. said:
It looks like California is setting itself up to become the nations "go to" abortion site, if the Supreme Court and other States continue to pass rules banning abortion.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roe-under-threat-california-leans-040533153.html
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from the above article: "Anti-abortion advocates are getting ready, too, by bolstering staffing and support at crisis pregnancy centers. These centers, which often locate near abortion clinics and are religiously affiliated, seek to convince women to forego abortion for adoption or other options. Some of these centers in conservative states receive tens of millions of dollars in public money."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/roe-under-threat-california-leans-040533153.html
 
ElCastor said:
"-as long as they stick to their intended function of honestly interpreting the meaning of the framers of the Constitution. Don't like that? Then amend."
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I just have to say that my first thought on reading this was that the framers of the Constitution were a bunch of relatively old white men (long dead) and times have changed. But, I agree with your statement. Rewrites, anyone?
 
Em in Ohio said:
framers of the Constitution were a bunch of relatively old white men
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Actually by today's standards most were relatively young. But mostly rich and all white men for sure.

I watched an in-depth documentary on the creation of the constitution recently. If it was accurate, and I think it was, a lot of what we don't like was the result of necessary compromise to keep the 13 colonies together.

Slavery is a good example, a lot of the framers did not like it, but had it been outlawed there never would have been a United States, not one that included the southern colonies anyway.

Not sure anyone else has done a better job of creating a constitution...

We will always have need to amend it, times change, so should we.
 
Alligatorob said:
Actually by today's standards most were relatively young. But mostly rich and all white men for sure.

I watched an in-depth documentary on the creation of the constitution recently. If it was accurate, and I think it was, a lot of what we don't like was the result of necessary compromise to keep the 13 colonies together.

Slavery is a good example, a lot of the framers did not like it, but had it been outlawed there never would have been a United States, not one that included the southern colonies anyway.

Not sure anyone else has done a better job of creating a constitution...

We will always have need to amend it, times change, so should we.
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Perhaps we need three new countries operating under independent Constitutions: North Country, South Country, and California. (tongue in cheek but only half-way)
 
Not so sure about that. There are probably as many ex-military that are more left than right. War has a way of doing that. Right wing extremists are not the only Americans with guns either.
JimBob1952 said:
Trust me, you don't want "revolution." The folks on the other side have all the guns and all the military training.
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