Why do the vaccine arguments continue?

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To answer the OP specifically in reference to Senior Forums ...because people keep starting new threads about it, maybe? Covid-19 variants will never go away but the deadly pandemic is over. Take a deep breath...literally and figuratively... and move on.
 

So, even if you are in danger of death or disability from a hideous, and often fatal disease, and there was a very effective vaccine against that disease available to you free of charge (all of which is true), you would refuse the vaccine because you are primarily interested in the stock price of the company? Stopping the company from making a profit is more important than stopping a disease that brought the world to a screeching halt, at least it did before the vaccine came along?

Or, to look at it another way, what was the stock of the Ford Motor Co. worth, before the automobile was invented? What was the stock of Amazon, Google, or Apple worth before modern technology came along?

Maybe not a 100% perfect comparison, because those other companies aren't actually saving lives, where the pharmaceutical companies are. That's not to say the pharma companies are perfect. They did make plenty of money off the opiods also. But hard as the politicians and quack doctors may try, I can't see anything wrong with rewarding the companies that developed and are manufacturing this vaccine. Throwing their stock prices or financial health into the mix is what's known as a red herring.
 
Sunny said:
So, even if you are in danger of death or disability from a hideous, and often fatal disease, and there was a very effective vaccine against that disease available to you free of charge (all of which is true), you would refuse the vaccine because you are primarily interested in the stock price of the company? Stopping the company from making a profit is more important than stopping a disease that brought the world to a screeching halt, at least it did before the vaccine came along?

Or, to look at it another way, what was the stock of the Ford Motor Co. worth, before the automobile was invented? What was the stock of Amazon, Google, or Apple worth before modern technology came along?

Maybe not a 100% perfect comparison, because those other companies aren't actually saving lives, where the pharmaceutical companies are. That's not to say the pharma companies are perfect. They did make plenty of money off the opiods also. But hard as the politicians and quack doctors may try, I can't see anything wrong with rewarding the companies that developed and are manufacturing this vaccine. Throwing their stock prices or financial health into the mix is what's known as a red herring.
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"you would refuse the vaccine because you are primarily interested in the stock price of the company?"

I never said i was primarily interested in anything ...... I merely pointed out that it is a point to consider.
Sunny said:
So, even if you are in danger of death or disability from a hideous, and often fatal disease, and there was a very effective vaccine against that disease available to you free of charge (all of which is true), you would refuse the vaccine because you are primarily interested in the stock price of the company? Stopping the company from making a profit is more important than stopping a disease that brought the world to a screeching halt, at least it did before the vaccine came along?

Or, to look at it another way, what was the stock of the Ford Motor Co. worth, before the automobile was invented? What was the stock of Amazon, Google, or Apple worth before modern technology came along?

Maybe not a 100% perfect comparison, because those other companies aren't actually saving lives, where the pharmaceutical companies are. That's not to say the pharma companies are perfect. They did make plenty of money off the opiods also. But hard as the politicians and quack doctors may try, I can't see anything wrong with rewarding the companies that developed and are manufacturing this vaccine. Throwing their stock prices or financial health into the mix is what's known as a red herring.
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First off ....... I never said I was interested in anything like that ..... I merely pointed it out as a point to be considered .
Sunny said:
So, even if you are in danger of death or disability from a hideous, and often fatal disease, and there was a very effective vaccine against that disease available to you free of charge (all of which is true), you would refuse the vaccine because you are primarily interested in the stock price of the company? Stopping the company from making a profit is more important than stopping a disease that brought the world to a screeching halt, at least it did before the vaccine came along?

Or, to look at it another way, what was the stock of the Ford Motor Co. worth, before the automobile was invented? What was the stock of Amazon, Google, or Apple worth before modern technology came along?

Maybe not a 100% perfect comparison, because those other companies aren't actually saving lives, where the pharmaceutical companies are. That's not to say the pharma companies are perfect. They did make plenty of money off the opiods also. But hard as the politicians and quack doctors may try, I can't see anything wrong with rewarding the companies that developed and are manufacturing this vaccine. Throwing their stock prices or financial health into the mix is what's known as a red herring.
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"Or, to look at it another way, what was the stock of the Ford Motor Co. worth, before the automobile was invented? What was the stock of Amazon, Google, or Apple worth before modern technology came along?"

Apples & Oranges comparison as these companies were making many medicines before the pandemic ....... It was not a "new" industry at all. Where as the Ford Motor Co, was part of a whole new industry just starting .
 
Michael Z said:
There is no doubt in my mind that money is clouding the issue. Pfizer has a track record for this. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/10-amazing-facts-about-pfizers-23b-bextra-settlement/
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Because of money, proven motive and driving force of the totally greedy corporations especially pharma,

just like and worse than nazi germ,

the truth is forgotten, and not even desired nor sought by the public/ programmed robots.

Details like this were available for over a hundred years about the malfeasance or distrusted druglords >

From the 'amazing' link which is not a new event in pharmaworld, expose's having been known all of our lives >>
  1. "Former sales manager Thomas Farina, who led a team of sales reps in Brooklyn who promoted Bextra off-label, is about one and a half months into a six-month sentence of home confinement with an electronic ankle bracelet for his role in the case.
  2. highlander.jpg
    Farina's team was called "the Highlanders" -- a reference to a movie and TV show about a cult of immortals living secretly

  4. among us who must kill or be killed. Farina signed his emails, "There can be only one," a reference to the motto of the show."
 
There is TONS MORE MONEY going to the druglords and politicians resetting the world financial and drug empires.

The truth seekers might find lies on those doing expose's also,

but that does not undo nor negate the lies foisted on the gullible public by the druglords.
 
SeniorBen said:
There's a lot of money to be made spreading misinformation. Here's an article about it:

Spreading vaccine fears. And cashing in.
Meet the influencers making millions by dealing doubt about the coronavirus vaccines.
https://publicintegrity.org/health/...lity/spreading-fears-cashing-in-anti-vaccine/

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/17/covid-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-ccdh-report
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That's fascinating, Ben. And why am I not surprised?
 
Why argument continues ?

If the drugmakers ever told the truth,

they'd be out of business yes, and likely will be subject to prosecution (hopefully),

but the arguments would stop.
 
Actually ..... I don't understand why they started in the first place ?

I made my decision back when it all started ......... What I decided is really no ones business , and no one has a right to tell me what to do with MY body.

So, why ? all the arguments.

If a person feels safe taking all the precutions ? great then that is what they should do for themselves. However, if a person feels no threat ? and chooses to 'roll the dice' [so-to-speak] then that is what they should do for theirself , as well.
 
It’s like any choice we make in life. We all decide what’s best for us. No one should criticize those that decide to take the vaccine and vice versa. It’s our choice, period. I think each person needs to decide for themselves and not being critical of the other person’s choice.

I have seen the good of the vaccine and I have seen the bad. Nothing that I have seen so far says “take it” or “don’t take it.” I am concerned with the heart issues on some younger men, but I haven’t heard much more about it lately.
 
No one has provided any results or proof at all that jabs or shutdowns or masks work to even slow down the spread of infection or death.

All the results public published show the opposite.
 
AnnieA said:
To answer the OP specifically in reference to Senior Forums ...because people keep starting new threads about it, maybe? Covid-19 variants will never go away but the deadly pandemic is over. Take a deep breath...literally and figuratively... and move on.
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The very expensive and proven harmful measures taken by gov and med and media are continuing daily.

They never proved a virus was 'dangerous' to most people at all, just the opposite in fact, less than three percent would have been possible in danger of the virus harming them, if at all any.
Instead, most of the world was harmed by governments and medical actions.
 
Just Jeff said:
No one has provided any results or proof at all that jabs or shutdowns or masks work to even slow down the spread of infection or death.

All the results public published show the opposite.
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I'm surprised that more people failed to notice the increased hospitalization & mortality rates reported during the big vaccine push.
 
win231 said:
^^^^ Bingo. And that includes avoiding what can harm us.
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.... some people have been able to avoid the politics and the doctors and the hospitals and the clinics, but not all realized they were being harmed un-necessarily so did not even try to find out a "second opinion" that could have spared them thousands of dollars and years of grief.
 
oldman said:
It’s like any choice we make in life. We all decide what’s best for us. No one should criticize those that decide to take the vaccine and vice versa. It’s our choice, period. I think each person needs to decide for themselves and not being critical of the other person’s choice.

I have seen the good of the vaccine and I have seen the bad. Nothing that I have seen so far says “take it” or “don’t take it.” I am concerned with the heart issues on some younger men, but I haven’t heard much more about it lately.
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The fear causes many to lose the ability to use such logic.
 
Buckeye said:
Or, maybe sometimes we should do what we decide is best for all of, instead of just ourselves.

Therein lies the difference.
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Not when IMO ..... the best for all of us ...... has a distinct possibility of not being best for ourselves .

As I have said all along, we do not know the actual reason this or that person has chosen as they have. And it is IMO only human nature to do what is best for ourselves ...... if that is not the best for everyone ? ...... Oh well ..... I'm not going to sacrifice myself ........ to protect someone else.
 
Buckeye said:
Or, maybe sometimes we should do what we decide is best for all of, instead of just ourselves.

Therein lies the difference.
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That fiction was also used to sell flu shots. Kaiser hung a huge banner above their entrance:
"If you don't get your flu shot, you're making others sick." Quite amusing, really.
 
When I decided to be vaccinated, I thought why not? Seeing how the deaths were starting to pile up, I decided to go for it. Had I still been with the airline, I wouldn’t have had a choice. This is one if the reasons why flights are being cancelled. Pilots and other airline workers were fired for refusing to be vaccinated. That was as smart as firing healthcare workers.
 

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