SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

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The most recent former Vice President (anti abortion) said "By returning the question of abortion to the states and the people, this Supreme Court has righted a historic wrong, and reaffirmed the right of the American people to govern themselves," (bold - my emphasis)
How does this allow the American women to govern themselves?
Such a regressive, backwards step.
 

Possible scenario for July 4th:

Riots occur at state capitals, and go so far as breaking into the government offices. The protestors are charged with sedition. Now everyone is trying to take over the government! :eek:
 
Paco, all this January 6th stuff is ONLY about bringing charges against Trump to make it impossible for him to run in 2024.

The charges are forthcoming.
 

The low voter participation in the 'little' (state and county) elections will be the ultimate culprit. Folks get excited about the big elections not realizing that most of the laws that affect our day to day lives are made at the state and county level. They do little research for best candidates choosing instead to either not vote at all, vote party down ballot or only vote the top of the ballot ignoring the 'minor' candidates. Regular voter participation is about 60%, midterms about 40% and the odd minor elections sometimes single digits.

Today will drastically affect many aspects of all women's health, not just that of the young and sexually active.

Here's a thought: Americans are keen for extreme religion now so maybe it's time for a little Shakerism. The Shakers practice celibacy but the sect strangely seem to be dying out.:) Would probably welcome new members. See Ken Burns "The Shakers."

https://video.ninepbs.org/video/the-shakers-cysamd/
 
AnnieA said:
So conflicted about this. I believe that a fetus at average age of viability outside the womb (without neonatal intervention) is a baby and that abortion beyond that point is murder. But as a libertarian, I'm very disturbed at legislating morality. What does it say about my moral compass that there's no clear winner in my conscious?
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Me too. It seems to me the fetus/child is doomed from the moment of its conception. Either be aborted and have its life end before it begins, or carried to term via an uncaring mother who doesn't want the child and (most likely) no father.
 
jimintoronto said:
American women are free to come to Canada to have an abortion, but they will have to pay for the procedure . Canada has no law about abortion. Period. JimB.
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Many of the women who will be looking to have abortions would not be able to take time off from work, let alone be able to afford to go to Canada. The way the airlines are operating these days (thousands of delayed flights and cancellations lately), whose to say appointments would even be able to be kept. Yeah some could drive in but again, now we're talking about taking more time off. I just saw something on Yahoo about how detrimental this decision is for women, especially poorer women.
 
AnnieA said:
So conflicted about this. I believe that a fetus at average age of viability outside the womb (without neonatal intervention) is a baby and that abortion beyond that point is murder. But as a libertarian, I'm very disturbed at legislating morality. What does it say about my moral compass that there's no clear winner in my conscious?
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I think your moral compass is based on analysis and logic. If it is additionally religious based, you do have an insurmountable issue. Also, as you stated (and I think most would agree,) there is a difference between a baby born that can survive without intervention and fetuses that can't. I don't know of any place that would abort a child who fits that criteria - but such may exist.
 
Abortion is an individual choice as well as where they live ... if they do not vote LOCAL and their state is restrictive .... one can VOTE.... move or travel...
Before the outpouring of no poor can not afford it etc....
i am sad to see how many state and federal Laws............. whether you agree or not...... seem to be being ignored or given a free pass if POOR.
Poor is condition that changes .... but choices matter regardless of your finances......
birth control we are told is the answer
yet so many do not want to take it makes them bloat or whatever but have zero thought about having abortions sometimes several times perhaps PP has a loyalty card that get them perks. yes i have know several women who did this .... i also had a few that have deep mental issues regarding wondering what if as they grew older...


Lavinia said:
Is there no contraception in America?
Is there no morning-after pill?
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yes we have very easy access to BOTH but they requires a person to be responsible and take action.
RESPONSIBILTY is extremely lacking in the US
 
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Lavinia said:
Is there no contraception in America?
Is there no morning-after pill?
Here in Britain a woman can call into any chemist and buy a pill if she has had unprotected sex the night before.
Is this really such a big problem, or is it a matter of principle?
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Yes, we have contraception - but it's not always successful. I have twin great-grandsons to prove that. We have the morning after-pills. Unfortunately, many women (especially young) don't realize they are pregnant for quite a while.
Despite the fact that surveys of women here who support abortion rights (at least to some extent) show they are in the majority. But, our system and its "Supreme Court" doesn't care about majority rule. Decisions are made by them based on personal desires and affect the whole nation.
 
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There should be a Federal Agency which can take unwanted children and assign them to childless couples. There are millions of couples who cannot have children of their own. They would be more than happy to adopt an unwanted, healthy child. Children born with severe handicaps could be taken to Switzerland, Canada, Oregon or Vermont for legal euthanasia.
 
Have to steer clear of politics, but I am shocked to learn that a possible presidential candidate would like to make abortions illegal! If so, one good thing about the Court's decision, such a federal law would presumably be unconstitutional.
 
Em in Ohio said:
I think your moral compass is based on analysis and logic. If it is additionally religious based, you do have an insurmountable issue. Also, as you stated (and I think most would agree,) there is a difference between a baby born that can survive without intervention and fetuses that can't. I don't know of any place that would abort a child who fits that criteria - but such may exist.
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I would guess you are unfamiliar with the abortion law in NY, for one.
 
Mitch86 said:
There should be a Federal Agency which can take unwanted children and assign them to childless couples. There are millions of couples who cannot have children of their own. They would be more than happy to adopt an unwanted, healthy child. Children born with severe handicaps could be taken to Switzerland, Canada, Oregon or Vermont for legal euthanasia.
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*Do you know that foster homes are already overcrowded?
*Some couples prefer to adopt kids from other countries.
 
DaveA said:
Sad but the "United" States is being replaced by the "Individual States" in all forms. A prelude to a new Civil War and sadly supported by certain political groups. I would imagine there are many here who support this on-coming wave of violence. How sad for this once somewhat, "United" population.☹️
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If a Civil War erupts in this country, it will be due to all the radicals and fanatics who love disrupting the rest of us peace loving people. However, be careful of the quiet ones.
 
Lewkat said:
I would guess you are unfamiliar with the abortion law in NY, for one.
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Please inform me! Also, the New York Supreme Court just went contrary to 'popular opinion' on gun control (concealed carry) - Unbelievable, given the almost weekly mass shootings.
 

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