Childless Couples....Selfish?

Raddragn said:
What I find ironic is the attitude of white nationalists who think doing away with abortion is going to result in more white females having more white babies - thereby increasing the ratio of whites to other races. What they seem to overlook is the fact that lack of this type of health care is not just going to have an affect white women - it will an even have a bigger effect on number of minorities being born - and since the socioeconomic level of white women is somewhate higher than many minorities - especially in the south, the result is going to be not many more white babies, but likely many more minority babies because the women will not be able to afford contraceptive care.
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You missed the entire point of the issue, which was simply to put it back in the hands of the states where it should have stayed. THAT way, if you don't like your state policy, you CAN vote to change it. How did THAT ever become a problem? It is NOT a constitutional issue, therefore not a FEDERAL issue.
 

IMO, the worst thing about not having children would be Not having someone close and trustworthy to watch over us as we age....to be sure we are getting the care and services we might need, without being taken advantage of.
 
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Don M. said:
IMO, the worst thing about not having children would be Not having someone close and trustworthy to watch over us as we age....to be sure we are getting the care and services we might need, without being taken advantage of.
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That is very true in certain cases. I am an only child who made sure my mother was well taken care of for 22 years after my father passed away. However, I also know many adult children who have neglected their elderly parents and who have actually gotten into fights with their siblings over their parents' care and over their estates.

I never had children, but if I had I would have never expected that they would take care of me in my old age. You obviously have great, grown kids and that speaks to your abilities as a father. (y)
 
(dated 2013 thread)
Lower USA birth levels is a major reason Wall Street that depends on endlessly expanding growth markets selfishly promotes open immigration through back door political actions that is contributing to the destruction of our fragile blue water planet with its precious life. I've always wanted a wife and children but due to a serious medical issue suffered at age 21, splenic artery pseudoaneurysm, never as an adult became healthy enough to feel confident I would be there over the long term to support them that I consider a soberingly immense responsibility.

https://npg.org/npg/choice-childfree-increasing-factor-u-s-population-growth.html
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There is also a significant financial element attached to parenthood. Recently, the U.S. Department of Agriculture projected that – not including college expenses – parents will spend an average of $245,340 to raise one child born in 2013. And while some economists are crying for higher birth and immigration rates to ease a pending economic disaster, many experts are speaking out that America’s declining birthrate doesn’t mean collapse. Even lower fertility rates are present in other countries with strong economies. Some people simply want to keep their expendable income rather than spend it on a family, and – if we consider Japan or some of the Scandinavian countries – it doesn’t seem that our Gross Domestic Product is necessarily doomed to shrink if there isn’t a new rush of births to create future consumers...

Some consider their choice to go childless as their contribution to saving our planet. Whether the motive is personal happiness, to pursue an education, securing a successful career, to prevent extensive financial responsibility, or protecting the environment, it seems clear: the option to live life without children is a viable one, and it is rapidly growing in popularity.
 
Many childless couples are Waiting for a baby to adopt. Last I checked there were over 2,000 couple waiting. Many of these couples do not share their problems, so some may think they are childless by choice. So be careful what you assume...

By the way, I hope that Planned Parenthood and other providers of abortions fully advise expectant mothers of this option and the waiting parents...it seems it would be the ethical thing to do. But I fear they do not...
 
Raddragn said:
What I find ironic is the attitude of white nationalists who think doing away with abortion is going to result in more white females having more white babies - thereby increasing the ratio of whites to other races. What they seem to overlook is the fact that lack of this type of health care is not just going to have an affect white women - it will an even have a bigger effect on number of minorities being born - and since the socioeconomic level of white women is somewhate higher than many minorities - especially in the south, the result is going to be not many more white babies, but likely many more minority babies because the women will not be able to afford contraceptive care.
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Where in the world did you get this 'white nationalists' theory? I know they are nothing more than NAZI's. And you already defined why they would never stop abortions...let me expand on that!

From what I have read if you combine abortions of just Black and Hispanic women, they represent over 40% of total abortions. Therefore, stopping those abortions would substantially increase the number of babies of color. Something the Nazi's would not want. They have not missed that fact, so wherever you read this.... I think it is not true!
 
Childless Couples....Selfish?
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Where does the "selfish" concept even come from? If people don't want to have children why then "should" they have children??? They would be the very people that I would not want to see have children. Of course, as I see our society there's lots and lots of people that are grossly UN-qualified to have children. People should be exposed to some practical wisdom while in grade school, you know: like "how to" raise a child, for starters. Then, when they become adults they can take the parenting exam, and if they pass can get a permit, and get their reproductive organs surgically restored.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Many childless couples are Waiting for a baby to adopt. Last I checked there were over 2,000 couple waiting. Many of these couples do not share their problems, so some may think they are childless by choice. So be careful what you assume...

By the way, I hope that Planned Parenthood and other providers of abortions fully advise expectant mothers of this option and the waiting parents...it seems it would be the ethical thing to do. But I fear they do not...
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I don't think so either. From "counselors" who tell teenage girls all there is to being a parent is getting a job, to parents who raise H*ll at the idea of their teens giving up their babies for adoption saying they want the teens and their babies to live with them.
 
Jules said:
Deciding to have a child is strictly a decision of the couple and nobody else’s business. I detest people who ask someone ‘why’.
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When my wife was asked by a busybody why we don't have any kids she came back with an absolute classic.
"Darling," she said, in a faux classy voice, "children grow up and have children of their own," "That's the general idea," her protagonist agreed. "There's my problem," my lady said, looking at the confused expression of the impertinent busybody. After a brief pause she continued: "One has standards darling, I couldn't possibly sleep with a grandfather!"
I was impressed.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Childless Couples....Selfish?
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An old thread, but still relevant and interesting.

My answer is of course not! People ought to be able to do what they can and want to do.

Having lots of kids contributes to population growth, one could argue that's a bad thing. Having kids you can't or don't support is certainly bad.

I can't think of anything bad about not having kids, except that for some it's not a voluntary choice...
 
Alligatorob said:
An old thread, but still relevant and interesting.

My answer is of course not! People ought to be able to do what they can and want to do.

Having lots of kids contributes to population growth, one could argue that's a bad thing. Having kids you can't or don't support is certainly bad.

I can't think of anything bad about not having kids, except that for some it's not a voluntary choice...
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Couldn't agree more, it wasn't a choice for me.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Couldn't agree more, it wasn't a choice for me.
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We did try briefly when Lia was 40 but we are so glad that did don’t happen. While I’m sure it can be a meaningful life experience I’m happy to forgo it for tge good of the planet. We make do little room for other creatures. Last thing I want to do is crowd a few more.

I’ve been around 5 younger siblings, a stepson and hundreds of young teen students. Frankly I prefer to spend what time I have left with adults.
 
Today, in it's inimitable style, The Daily Mail reports in a headline grabbing statement: "Terrifying Threat of Under Population," and continues:

Three in four countries face the threat of 'under population' by 2050 because of the world's plummeting birth rates, shock research warned today. By 2100 this could rise to 97 per cent of all nations, in what experts have described as a 'staggering social change'.

Meanwhile, The National Library of Medicine, warns that at the beginning of the nineteenth century, the total world population crossed the threshold of 1 billion people for the first time in history.

A couple of centuries later, the world population reached 7 billion, that was just after 2010, and is expected to count 9 billion by 2045.
Who do you believe? What do you make of rising/falling headcounts?
 
horseless carriage said:
Today, in it's inimitable style, The Daily Mail reports in a headline grabbing statement: "Terrifying Threat of Under Population," and continues:

Three in four countries face the threat of 'under population' by 2050 because of the world's plummeting birth rates, shock research warned today. By 2100 this could rise to 97 per cent of all nations, in what experts have described as a 'staggering social change'.

Meanwhile, The National Library of Medicine, warns that at the beginning of the nineteenth century, the total world population crossed the threshold of 1 billion people for the first time in history.

A couple of centuries later, the world population reached 7 billion, that was just after 2010, and is expected to count 9 billion by 2045.
Who do you believe? What do you make of rising/falling headcounts?
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I believe the human population is growing too quickly and we shall do our selves in if it continues. I see no threat in underpopulation, the less the merrier. If we start feeling lonely maybe then folks will want to haves some young ones.
 
Between Automation, Robotics, and now AI, the need for human labor will continue to decline. If the population grows to billions more, half the people may not be able to support themselves. A UN study, from a few years ago, predicted that the maximum sustainable population would be no more than 6 billion. We've surpassed that number, and the number of those living in poverty is increasing, This is one of the reasons so many "illegals" are streaming across our Southern borders....their nations can no longer support them.
 
Don M. said:
Between Automation, Robotics, and now AI, the need for human labor will continue to decline. If the population grows to billions more, half the people may not be able to support themselves. A UN study, from a few years ago, predicted that the maximum sustainable population would be no more than 6 billion. We've surpassed that number, and the number of those living in poverty is increasing, This is one of the reasons so many "illegals" are streaming across our Southern borders....their nations can no longer support them.
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I fear that estimate is based on a world on which every arable acre is dedicated to sustaining only human beings and I have serious doubts about the sustainability of such arrangement. I feel like we need an intact nature in order to be fully human.
 
@SeaBreeze If you could sit through one Maury Povich show, you did better than me! I agree with you that it's ridiculous that people call couples (or singles) who choose to remain childless, selfish. The way the world is now, I completely understand why. I think more people are choosing not to have children.
 

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