Immigrants wanting to enter illegally?

[ElCastor]

You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?

Many of these people "seeking a better life" bring with them tons of drugs, guns, and gang membership. Will millions of these seekers bring a better life for us all, or in the end will they drag us down to the level of the countries they are fleeing? Look what unimpeded immigration is doing to Europe. Around 10% of the population of France is Muslim and growing. Areas of France are now governed by de-facto Shariah law. Do we not have a right to regulate immigration? Canada certainly does, as does virtually every country in the world, even if for some it has become more theoretical than real.

 

[SeniorBen]

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[Alligatorob]

You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?

I don't blame people who want to emigrate for a better life. And I think that describes the vast majority of immigrants, legal and illegal. Mostly law abiding good people.

Problem is I don't think we need any more people here, our population is already higher than I'd like. That is the reason I think we need to better control immigration. Maybe take a few people who can significantly contribute to our economy, but not a whole lot. And no one else. Short term work visas without the possibility of citizenship or permanence and no family members would also be ok.

 

[Been There]

Worse mistake this president ever made. We will all pay a heavy price and be burdened with debt for his actions. I am not against anyone wanting a better life, but there are other ways to achieve it. One is to stay home, form your own militia and take charge of the government by seating their own choice to run the country and end the corruption. Two is to elect more honorable people that would build a substantial Army to remove the intolerant drug lords from power. Just like when the U.S. fought the British to absolve their power over this country, they would probably need to go to war to end the corruption and drug trafficking and reestablish an honest government. It is all about becoming patriots to your country and standing up and do what's right. If they don't do it now, when?
"A country without borders is not a country."

 

[rgp]

If they are doing so illegally, then yes. They can stay in their own country and "seek a better life" instead of sneaking in here, then waiving the flag of the country they abandoned.

Amen !!

 

[dko1951]

If you mean coming legally to have a better life then no I don't blame them.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?

What I really don't understand is, so many countries south of the border have been as they are now. Why would a couple bring children into that kind of life. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply legally, pass the required entry for citizenship THEN have children.

Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.

Not a bad idea, that adoption thing. If I could I would.

 

[dko1951]

If you mean coming legally to have a better life then no I don't blame them.

Are you suggesting that America should be without laws & borders?

What I really don't understand is, so many countries south of the border have been as they are now. Why would a couple bring children into that kind of life. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply legally, pass the required entry for citizenship THEN have children.

Maybe you could go to the border with adoption papers to adopt several so you can give at least a few a better life.

Having worked throughout the years with many illegals the problem lies in the countries they are trying to left. The process of attaining a visa is both very expensive and incredibly arduous. Most of those seeking a better life cannot afford and are usually not educated enough to work through the process. Most of us don't understand that these are pretty much very good people that love their families and only want a better life. They're almost as good as so many hear think they are.

 

[Knight]

@dko1951
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"Having worked throughout the years with many illegals the problem lies in the countries they are trying to left."

That is true.
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"The process of attaining a visa is both very expensive and incredibly arduous. Most of those seeking a better life cannot afford and are usually not educated enough to work through the process."

Yet they somehow manage to pay coyotes.
Human smuggling fees | Open Borders: The Casehttps://openborders.info › human-smuggling-fees
Mexicans who enter the United States illegally by crossing the southern border pay coyote fees of about $3000-4000 (data from the Mexican Migration Project).

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"Most of us don't understand that these are pretty much very good people that love their families and only want a better life. They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

I think most do understand the majority are good people. But good should extend to doing the legal requirements.

Can you explain this?
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"They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

 

[dko1951]

@dko1951
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"Having worked throughout the years with many illegals the problem lies in the countries they are trying to left."

That is true.
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"The process of attaining a visa is both very expensive and incredibly arduous. Most of those seeking a better life cannot afford and are usually not educated enough to work through the process."

Yet they somehow manage to pay coyotes.
Human smuggling fees | Open Borders: The Casehttps://openborders.info › human-smuggling-fees
Mexicans who enter the United States illegally by crossing the southern border pay coyote fees of about $3000-4000 (data from the Mexican Migration Project).

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"Most of us don't understand that these are pretty much very good people that love their families and only want a better life. They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

I think most do understand the majority are good people. But good should extend to doing the legal requirements.

Can you explain this?
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"They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

Certainly. It is very obvious that they have been portrayed as many things but good people by some public figures and some of news agencies. This portrayal is repeated so often that it has become the belief of many and they fail to see them as equals. As for them paying the kind of money they do to risk their lives goes back to my comments regarding the cost of getting a visa (much more) and the fact that an education is needed to get through the red tape.
I agree we cannot just open our borders. There must be order to make the transition legal and safe. Our governments can work together and establish a system that works. The problem is there are too many in power that simply don't want these people coming here. It was said in another post that these people do the work most of us won't do. I have seen ranchers and others businesses try to hire locals and they leave for lunch and never come back or just don't show up.
There was a program when I was young called "Bracero's Program" that allowed workers entry each day and they would return at night. I went to school the child of one of the workers. His father hoped a freight each way and earned enough to bring his family here and bought a home, put his kids through college and retire. I realize time have changed and this can only be done locally. Too much supervision and beyond red tape. Hope this answers your question. Thanks for responding. I like the talking it over stuff. Be well.

 

[FastTrax]

@dko1951
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"Having worked throughout the years with many illegals the problem lies in the countries they are trying to left."

That is true.
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"The process of attaining a visa is both very expensive and incredibly arduous. Most of those seeking a better life cannot afford and are usually not educated enough to work through the process."

Yet they somehow manage to pay coyotes.
Human smuggling fees | Open Borders: The Casehttps://openborders.info › human-smuggling-fees
Mexicans who enter the United States illegally by crossing the southern border pay coyote fees of about $3000-4000 (data from the Mexican Migration Project).

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"Most of us don't understand that these are pretty much very good people that love their families and only want a better life. They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

I think most do understand the majority are good people. But good should extend to doing the legal requirements.

Can you explain this?
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"They're almost as good as so many hear think they are."

Prolly gonna hit the edit icon instead of explaining that faux pas. After 24 hours it's officially on record.

 

[Alligatorob]

The problem is there are too many in power that simply don't want these people coming here.

Not just those in power, I believe we have enough, probably too many people here. I think most immigrants are good people, and certainly our equals, but we only have so much room.

Bracero Program

Would be a good example of something I think we should consider, short term work visas. Actually the Bracero Program allowed more than just day labor. It was particularly helpful during WWII supplying much needed labor.

The important thing should be a program where visas were easy to get for labor we need, but temporary, not leading to permanent residence or citizenship. Not sure how clear the Bracero Program was on that count.

 

[Just Jeff]

You're not blaming people for seeking a better life. Or are you?

No. I think most of them were paid to bring idolatry to this country and to eventually gain more control of it.

 

[Lilac]

If you want to come to this country, do so through legal means. Those that don't and come in illegally, are starting out as a law breaker. IMO, that is showing disregard for our laws and disrespect for our country.

There are advocates in this country who are applying their own ideas, beliefs, values, and morals to the people entering our country. They don't always think like you, and you're not going to change them to be like you. They have their own set of values they live by and those are not always good.

What about the American citizens that have been murdered/killed by illegals? Especially those illegals who have have been deported repeatedly only to keep returning. Do the people here have no rights?

There are more than just families coming across. Gangs are sending their soldiers in to set up shop in our country. Drugs are coming through along with human trafficking. Do you think all the kids that are unaccompanied were sent by their parents for a "better life"? How many have been abducted or even worse, sold?

I know several immigrants who came into this country legally and have worked hard to achieve their American dream and became citizens. They weren't rich when they arrived but managed to do it. They've put in long hours and raised their families without welfare. They are proud of this country and are upset about people not following the rules they had to when they came in.

My own family as well as my husband's came into this country legally starting in the 1800s and through the 1950s as well.

IMO, it's a slap in the face to all legal immigrants who have did everything lawfully to just allow others to come in illegally.

 

[David777]

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers...The candidates tell drastically different stories about immigration. They’re both skipping half the truth.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

snippets:

When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down...
Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable...

But that’s only one side of the story. Somebody’s lower wage is always somebody else’s higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer...
Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers—the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans—sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program... [growing wealth gap]

A policy that keeps them in mind might tax the agricultural and service companies that benefit so much from low-skilled immigrants, and use the money to compensate low-skilled Americans for their losses and to help them transition to new jobs and occupations...
The employers that profit from the way things are won’t go along with these transfers without an epic political struggle. And many of the libertarians who obsessively advocate for open borders will surely balk at such a huge expansion of government.

 

[Alligatorob]

But that’s only one side of the story. Somebody’s lower wage is always somebody else’s higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer...
Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers—the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans—sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program..

This is a bit one sided. It is true that lower labor cost can mean higher profits, however it often also means lower cost to the consumer. Both consumers and employers benefit. And we are those consumers...

 

[SeniorBen]

On one hand, there's a labor shortage, so we should welcome immigrants to fill those jobs. On the other hand, there's a housing shortage, and immigrants are compounding the problem. On still another hand or maybe on a foot, while there is a labor shortage, it's a skilled labor shortage. We need programmers and other technically savvy individuals to fill those jobs. We also need construction workers — jobs which immigrants from hot countries such as Mexico are well suited.

 

[Just Jeff]

On one hand, there's a labor shortage, so we should welcome immigrants to fill those jobs.

No.
Think on this - if you had a small business and needed helpers/workers, would you want someone you could not trust ?

 

[Creek Pirate]

We send money to 90 plus countries to support people in the world. You know we have laws that were meant to protect our citizens. They are setup to make sure that if someone comes here they are not going to do harm. Also as a society we can only take in so many at a time or we over whelm our communities ability to absorb the new people. People from160 countries are at border, they want in. A lot of countries have release inmates to our borders that they didn't want. The Cartels are pushing drugs and making money on trafficking people across our border. There are a lot of people that have filed for legal immigration that the illegals are taking there spot in line. You have to notice how well physically a lot of them are, nike footwear and cell phones they are carrying as there asking for asylum. The amount of other countries they passed up to get here. Understand also most supported the Governments they are running from. Our Government is at this time not doing the job they swore to do. Fentanyl is made in China sold to the Cartel and brought into this control to kill Americans and does more damage then COVID, yet doesn't get the same attention. Yes it is nothing less than an invasion at the border, just without guns but just as lethal. Latin American Gang member have come here through the open border to establish footing in our cities. Our Government tries to control us using COVID while they pack illegals on buses and planes and ship them all over the country without any kind of shots for anything. These illegal people are then the communities problem as they are left where there dropped off. Sorry but I can feel for them but I want the wall and the border closed. 2 million is way above we can afford to let in when we are having all kinds of issues of our own. Vets and homeless and now we get more to join the line. 17 million children we are told go to sleep hungry in this country. Inflation is at 9.1% and supply chains are not functioning. Baby formula that is much needed is in short supply. And there is so much more. This not political, this is the way it is.

 

[Creek Pirate]

Would a quota system work to establish a limit? What about the children that are sent with no adult? What would a reasonable amount be considering the unemployment now & expected in the future?

WE have quota's, they have been over ran. If the Government can fly them into the country, then they also can also fly them home. If we start turning them away and start returning them home they will drastically reduce in coming. Our problem is that people choose to stay home and not work. That's what needs to change.

 

[Creek Pirate]

Yes it should rain cheeseburgers then we would have enough cheeseburgers for everyone. Everyone who wants to live a very long life should. My mother is 95 she would love forever if she could. Of course there should be borders, and immigration laws, but the laws should be reasonable.

And while we have been busy kicking people out other countries have been busy letting them in. My daughter quit doing foster care when her 12 year old foster daughter who had been raised in the US since she was an infant was deported to an orphanage in Mexico. The girl could not speak spanish. What future do you think she had there?

If your daughter was willing to take the child as her own I don't see why they needed to send her back across the border and she should have stayed. But I do not believe we owe the world a living to the extent that it destroys or diminishes ours. We already send money to 90 plus countries for this very thing. We also give asylum to real people in need. A lot are at the our border just for the American dream and have passed up other countries. Your very unfair with saying we have been kicking people out. We have immigrated people for years from all over the world. We just don't want to be invaded and over ran. We would also would like to know who they are.

 

[Just Jeff]

Sadly, some of these people come from conditions so appalling that the threat of catching a virus doesn't figure too highly.

Remember in the news they showed that georg soris, or some such world rich guy, PAID the travelers every day, provided every day food and clothes and water and such, and said he would, BEFORE they left their homes.
The agenda is not people seeking help, but being paid to show up....

The thread of catching a virus thing was never more than three percent, and the threat of problem with it was ten times less or lower. That is until government intervened with totalitarian measures.

 

[Just Jeff]

Yes it should rain cheeseburgers then we would have enough cheeseburgers for everyone.

"We", the usa, not only had enough to feed the whole world for decades,

but "we", the usa people and government and companies and corporations, threw it away . Every year for years.

 

[Brookswood]

I have yet to meet a person who came to this country legally, put in the effort to become a citizen, who thinks that the people sneaking across the boarder are some special case and have special right. These naturalized citizens are under the impression that our political leaders are supposed to work for us - the citizens who hired them at the voting box.

Well known liberal spokesperson Bill Maher has this to say:

 

[JaniceM]

They are setup to make sure that if someone comes here they are not going to do harm.

(I knew I couldn't force myself to stay out of this thread.. was actually trying to find an older post by another member to link to but couldn't locate it)

When individuals gripe about immigrants and immigration, it's only one specific group- our "brown-skinned neighbors from the south." Of everything I've seen, read, heard, AND personally experienced, THEY aren't the ones causing problems in this country- past or present. Individuals who come to the U.S. and commit crimes-against-persons, run drugs, etc., should be dealt with, but it's a small minority.

In one area where I lived, this 'group' was the majority, by far. No problems. In another, I was the only individual who wasn't either an immigrant or first-generation. No problems. In contrast, it's been "others" that come to this country and treat Americans like we're not even people, refuse to leave their prejudices at the door, and try to shove their 'cultures' down everybody else's throats. The subject bugs me in general, but even more so as I'm trying to cope with a couple of these idiots who don't seem to realize this is OUR country.

 

[Shalimar]

Bill Mayer is not a favourite of many Canadians due to his history of Islamophobic statements, and his recent slamming of Prime Minister Trudeau as a dictator.