Many people are not exactly distraught over Queen Elizabeth’s death.

jet said:
as a Brit,i gotta laugh at all this rubbish you have been fed,:LOL:,,,spanish,wasent it the french who helped you get independance,,,
thanks to those who mourn with us,,,,,
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I believe he's alluding to the possibility that Spain would have attempted to colonize what is now the US if England hadn't, and also that Spanish is now spoken by nearly all our neighbors to the south.

Yes, the French were extremely helpful to the American side during the American Revolution. Lafayette's name is well known as an early French volunteer in the American army.
 

Paco Dennis said:
According to all knowing GOOGLE:

How did colonization affect countries?



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Colonialism's impacts include environmental degradation, the spread of disease, economic instability, ethnic rivalries, and human rights violations—issues that can long outlast one group's colonial rule.
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Oh for the good old days before colonialism when we all watched the elephants walk through the sunset at the end of a full day. Everyone comfortably tired from doing female circumcisions on all the young virgins, at least those who hadn't already been sacrificed to the crocodiles to make for better fishing.

On a good night, a lost member of another tribe might drop by and we could have him for dinner.
 
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Della said:
Oh for the good old days before colonialism when we all watched the elephants walk through the sunset at the end of a full day. Everyone comfortably tired from doing female circumcisions on all the young virgins, at least those who hadn't already been sacrificed to the crocodiles to make for better fishing.

On a good night, a lost member of another might drop by and we could have him for dinner.
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Your perspective is highly skewed, mostly inaccurate, and deeply insulting to indigenous people. Colonists killed, maimed, raped, pillaged and exploited far more people than indigenous people ever did to their own groups or nearby tribes.

I can't think of a single exception.
 

We are all African descendants. That's why I wrote my little bit about "we" and not they.

I don't know where you get your facts and figures about who killed who the most or which group had it the worst. I have no idea myself.

I only meant to point out that as people around the globe were colonized or merged by other groups, some good came along with the bad. The post I was responding to only pointed out the bad.
 
jimintoronto said:
Here in Canada there is minority who will be bleating about "abolishing the Monarchy in Canada ". What most of these people don't know is how VERY difficult that would be to accomplish. To alter our Constitution REQUIRES that a majority of the Members of our Federal Parliament PLUS the majority of the Members of all ten Provincial Legislators, vote in favour of such an amendment to our Constitution. That would be a impossible task, given the contrary nature of the Government of the Province of Quebec in past Constitutional debates. It isn't going to happen. JimB.
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Bleating is about right. In Canada, there are a lot of "sheep" bleating about almost anything. You have to live here to keep track of all the complaining. They bleat about everyone in politics, about the history, about the mistreatment of the "First" Nations (whatever that means), Western Canada bleats about Ontario, Ontario bleats about Western Canada, most bleat about that "ArriveCan" app, the high price of gas for their monster trucks and they bleat about high price of groceries while they are driving from the cities to their cottages every weekend.

I am not surprised that they are bleating about the royal family because they just love to bleat all the time.

For my 2 cents worth, I am proud of our history, our ties with the French Canadians, the friendly relationships with the USA and our long history with the British. I would rather have things in common with Great Britain then to have strong connects with the Russian Empire or the Chinese connection.

Sure things could be a lot better but they could be a lot worse. Remember the Doomsday Clock says we are only 2 minutes to midnight.
 
Della said:
We are all African descendants. That's why I wrote my little bit about "we" and not they.

I don't know where you get your facts and figures about who killed who the most or which group had it the worst. I have no idea myself.

I only meant to point out that as people around the globe were colonized or merged by other groups, some good came along with the bad. The post I was responding to only pointed out the bad.
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"By 1900, the indigenous population in the Americas declined by more than 80%, and by as much as 98% in some areas. The effects of diseases such as smallpox, measles and cholera during the first century of colonialism contributed greatly to the death toll, while violence, displacement and warfare against the Indians by colonizers contributed to the death toll in subsequent centuries.[36] As detailed in American Philosophy: From Wounded Knee to the Present (2015):
It is also apparent that the shared history of the hemisphere is one which is framed by the dual tragedies of genocide and slavery, both of which are part of the legacy of the European invasions of the past 500 years. Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples


There's plenty of data detailing the horrific rate of death and destruction of indigenous people themselves along with their habitats, belief systems (rather emphatic missionaries who offered conversion opportunities or dire consequences to those who refused, for instance), and imposition of "civilization", all in the name of "Manifest Destiny" and other self-serving mantras.
 
Including me.....and, I suspect,the vast majority of the country.
As we aren’t whenever someone we don’t know dies.
The Royal Family however have to to grieve in the eye of the public and will attend a funeral that will be broadcast to the world.
Not easy for them.
I won‘t be watching.
Won’t watch the Coronation either.
 
Packerjohn said:
Bleating is about right. In Canada, there are a lot of "sheep" bleating about almost anything. You have to live here to keep track of all the complaining. They bleat about everyone in politics, about the history, about the mistreatment of the "First" Nations (whatever that means), Western Canada bleats about Ontario, Ontario bleats about Western Canada, most bleat about that "ArriveCan" app, the high price of gas for their monster trucks and they bleat about high price of groceries while they are driving from the cities to their cottages every weekend.

I am not surprised that they are bleating about the royal family because they just love to bleat all the time.

For my 2 cents worth, I am proud of our history, our ties with the French Canadians, the friendly relationships with the USA and our long history with the British. I would rather have things in common with Great Britain then to have strong connects with the Russian Empire or the Chinese connection.

Sure things could be a lot better but they could be a lot worse. Remember the Doomsday Clock says we are only 2 minutes to midnight.
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Not much different than the U.S. and it has paid well for the professional bleaters who make a living off it. We are free to bleat or get moving and change what doesn't work. We are Free to chose our life!
I'm not sure distraught is the word I would use to describe my feeling about the Royals since they don't give a hoot, but do respect her life of service which so rare in the world today. Camilla is like a rock in your shoes, but I don't think she plans on going away.
 
StarSong said:
"By 1900, the indigenous population in the Americas declined by more than 80%, and by as much as 98% in some areas. The effects of diseases such as smallpox, measles and cholera during the first century of colonialism contributed greatly to the death toll, while violence, displacement and warfare against the Indians by colonizers contributed to the death toll in subsequent centuries.[36] As detailed in American Philosophy: From Wounded Knee to the Present (2015):
It is also apparent that the shared history of the hemisphere is one which is framed by the dual tragedies of genocide and slavery, both of which are part of the legacy of the European invasions of the past 500 years. Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples


There's plenty of data detailing the horrific rate of death and destruction of indigenous people themselves along with their habitats, belief systems (rather emphatic missionaries who offered conversion opportunities or dire consequences to those who refused, for instance), and imposition of "civilization", all in the name of "Manifest Destiny" and other self-serving mantras.
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Way off topic!
 
jet said:
as a Brit,i gotta laugh at all this rubbish you have been fed,:LOL:,,,spanish,wasent it the french who helped you get independance,,,
thanks to those who mourn with us,,,,,
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Yep, thanks to help from the French, we kicked the British out. However, the Spanish were here long before the British colonies. If the Brits hadn't shown up, Spain would have claimed the whole thing, just like they did in Mexico and much of South America.

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I don't get the concept of a king/queen. Perhaps in the old days, but today it is a strange concept. I mean, really, why should the general population financially support a monarchy , who have hundreds and hundreds of servants/misc support staff, while so many live at the bottom?
In any event, I have zero feelings about Elizabeth's death.
Moreover, I have negative thoughts about Charles as king. Seriously, he not only cheated on Diana, with Camilla Parker Boles, but he rubbed Diana's nose in it.

In any event, it should be remembered that the British sweated and oppressed a billion people around the globe. Those under British rule were little better than slaves.
 
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chic said:
I think they wish they could reduce us all to serfdom again and keep us forever silent. :unsure:
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And I am equally sure they wonder why Australia has not yet made the move to become a republic. It is on the agenda for the current federal government but we will have to wait until the next term, if they happen to get one. We had a referendum about becoming a republic several decades ago but it did not get the necessary majority to pass. In fact it was roundly defeated. The agenda for this current government is to hold a referendum to change the constitution to allow for provision of an indigenous voice to parliament. That will face a lot of opposition but will probably become law.

Both the late Queen and the now King Charles have been encouraging of Australia becoming a republic. Neither has ever done anything to suggest they wished to be absolute monarchs. Instead they have been staunch in living out their roles as part of a constitutional monarchy, including fulfilling the symbolic role as head of state for countries that were formerly colonies of Great Britain.

I know it is hard for countries like US, India and Kenya to understand the Australian mindset but we are not unhappy with the current constitutional arrangement. Seems the Queen was not too unhappy with her Aussie subjects either.

 
StarSong said:
"By 1900, the indigenous population in the Americas declined by more than 80%, and by as much as 98% in some areas. The effects of diseases such as smallpox, measles and cholera during the first century of colonialism contributed greatly to the death toll, while violence, displacement and warfare against the Indians by colonizers contributed to the death toll in subsequent centuries.[36] As detailed in American Philosophy: From Wounded Knee to the Present (2015):
It is also apparent that the shared history of the hemisphere is one which is framed by the dual tragedies of genocide and slavery, both of which are part of the legacy of the European invasions of the past 500 years. Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples


There's plenty of data detailing the horrific rate of death and destruction of indigenous people themselves along with their habitats, belief systems (rather emphatic missionaries who offered conversion opportunities or dire consequences to those who refused, for instance), and imposition of "civilization", all in the name of "Manifest Destiny" and other self-serving mantras.
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And that is why the Voice to Parliament referendum will take place before we consider becoming a republic. If I live long enough I will vote YES to both issues. It is the right time to change the way we do things and neither the British monarchy nor the UK government will have any say in these matters.
 
Michael Z said:
She was somebodies daughter. For that alone she deserves respect.
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And her father never wanted to be the King. However he shouldered his responsibility and was invaluable to the people of Great Britain during the dark days when Hitler threw everything at the British Isles.

I remember the passing of George VI. He was deeply mourned in Australia as our King, especially by the men who served in WW II.
 
Della said:
Oh for the good old days before colonialism when we all watched the elephants walk through the sunset at the end of a full day. Everyone comfortably tired from doing female circumcisions on all the young virgins, at least those who hadn't already been sacrificed to the crocodiles to make for better fishing.

On a good night, a lost member of another tribe might drop by and we could have him for dinner.
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Oh, but now we have to look to the future. It will be a time when all people of all the nations will cooperate with each other and live in harmony and peace. All of those awful days of the past are completely gone, when empires dominated the world. ( I don't believe this story either) :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
Oh, but now we have to look to the future. It will be a time when all people of all the nations will cooperate with each other and live in harmony and peace. All of those awful days of the past are completely gone, when empires dominated the world. ( I don't believe this story either) :)
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This will only come to pass when some AI gains control over the entire world, and forces DNA modifications to change human behavior.

Wait! This will make a great scifi story, I better get to writing! I can whip this out quickly with my AI writing app.
 
I'm sorry for all her subjects who loved her and to whom she represented stability and dignity during their entire lifetimes. As an American, it's hard for me to wrap my head around the concept of a monarchy or why 21st century people would tolerate one. We're nothing to these people. They don't even like us. We carry no weight at all in their world. :unsure:
 
Grampa Don said:
The British Empire was basically evil, as most empires are
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Gave this some thought. I agree many things done by the British and other empires were evil when judged by todays standards. However I believe the age of empires was probably a necessary and natural part of our evolving civilization.

There are some good things done by the British empire for their former colonies, a few examples:
  • Abolition of Slavery, the international slave trade in 1807 and outlawed in its overseas territories in 1833. Well before it was ended in places like the US or Brazil.
  • Banning of Suttee in India. Suttee was the practice whereby Hindu widows were burned alive atop the funeral pyres of their deceased husbands.
  • The English language has become worldwide and the most accepted language of trade and commerce. Nothing special about English, but the world benefits from having one widespread language.
  • The list could go on.
And importantly without the combined strength of the British Empire and its colonies WWII would probably have been lost to Hitler before the US became involved.

Not all good or bad, empires are an important part of our History, none more so than the British.
 
"The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong."

Winston Churchill
 
chic said:
I think they wish they could reduce us all to serfdom again and keep us forever silent. :unsure:
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I have been following the media coverage, it does not seem likely that would happen in this day and age. Not sure if the mindset of eons ago would be the same. Or if what is written will be done.
 
I am sorry to read above negatives about th QUEEN.
If ENGLAND gets rid of the ROYAL FAMILY, it will be a BIG mistake.
The ROYAL FAMILY brings in thousands of pounds each year from visitors abroad, that is the draw.
 
StarSong said:
Your perspective is highly skewed, mostly inaccurate, and deeply insulting to indigenous people. Colonists killed, maimed, raped, pillaged and exploited far more people than indigenous people ever did to their own groups or nearby tribes.

I can't think of a single exception.
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No apologies for colonialism. But how about the Aztecs, who sacrificed an estimated 250,000 people each year? Is it an insult to indigenous people to say that the Aztecs were bloodthirsty? The Spanish were only able to conquer them because the other groups enslaved or dominated by the Aztecs rose up against them.

Many native Americans waged constant warfare, took slaves, and tortured prisoners. They would have done so on a much larger scale if they had had access to European technology in the form of gunpowder and steel. Of course the most effective European "weapons" were bacteria and viruses to which the natives had no resistance.
 
Brummie said:
I am sorry to read above negatives about th QUEEN.
If ENGLAND gets rid of the ROYAL FAMILY, it will be a BIG mistake.
The ROYAL FAMILY brings in thousands of pounds each year from visitors abroad, that is the draw.
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It's much more than that. The UK uses the royal family to assist in diplomatic and trade negotiations all around the world. Having the Queen or Prince Charles show up at a meeting can mean that a UK company wins an important contract to supply another country with a valuable product. The value of that kind of thing is hard to estimate, but it's huge.
 

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