US accuses Israel of spying on Iran nuclear talks

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]US accuses Israel of spying on Iran nuclear talks [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The US has accused Israel of spying on international negotiations over Iran’s nuclear programme [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and using the intelligence gathered to persuade Congress to undermine the talks, according to a report on Tuesday. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Wall Street Journal cited senior administration officials as saying the Israeli espionage operation began soon after the US opened up a secret channel of communications with Tehran in 2012, aimed at resolving the decade-long standoff over Iran’s nuclear aspirations. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The apparent decision by the White House to leak the allegations is the latest symptom of the growing gulf between Barack Obama’s administration and Binyamin Netanyahu’s government over the Iran talks, in which the Israeli leader suspects US officials of being ready to make too many concessions at the expense of Israeli security. Intelligence analysts suggested that the leak reflects the degree of anger in Washington at Netanyahu’s actions, and could mark a more serious blow to the already tottering relationship. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The leak has come exactly a week before a deadline for the US-Iranian negotiations in Lausanne to produce a framework agreement. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The rest: [/FONT]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/israel-spied-on-us-over-iran-nuclear-talks?CMP=ema_565


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The President has called a news conference for today, probably about this.[/FONT]
 

I don't think the problem is so much the spying... heck everyone spies on everyone else.. BUT revealing the gathered intelligence to Congress and who knows who else in order to sway the outcome and to influence is beyond the pale. There will certainly be a price for this..
 
re:US accuses Israel of spying on Iran nuclear talks.

Does anybody really give a damn,I don't.
 

I think Secretary Kerry and President Obama are trying their level best to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. I use to think that the Republicans also felt this way, that is until they decided that a treaty would be viewed as a successful part of Obama's legacy, then suddenly they were against it. Why Israel is against it baffles me. I guess they want to goad us into fighting a war with Iran. Oh and for what it matters, I give a damn.
 
Josiah said:
I think Secretary Kerry and President Obama are trying their level best to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. I use to think that the Republicans also felt this way, that is until they decided that a treaty would be viewed as a successful part of Obama's legacy, then suddenly they were against it. Why Israel is against it baffles me. I guess they want to goad us into fighting a war with Iran. Oh and for what it matters, I give a damn.
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Nicely put, Josiah, no matter if its this nuclear deal, health care or measures to help the economy, Republicans will fight anything President Obama tries to accomplish.....as QS said that would make him look good and they can not have that no matter the outcome for the people in this country....
 
Jackie22 said:
Nicely put, Josiah, no matter if its this nuclear deal, health care or measures to help the economy, Republicans will fight anything President Obama tries to accomplish.....as QS said that would make him look good and they can not have that no matter the outcome for the people in this country....
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You have to really wonder about the pathology of it all. The hatred of this President is greater than the desire for this country to survive.. It's really got to be a mental illness.
 
Mass mental illness? What's in your water? Actually that wouldn't work would it because it would have to be person specific. Okay, how about a genetic anomaly that has a 'combo-gene' that causes the individual to go crazy as they are mentally compelled to become politicians? Do you think? Maybe someone should develop a test for the markers and whichever children are 'doomed' to become crazy politicians can be locked up before they affect society. Pre-emptive strike......wasn't there a science fiction crime thriller with Tom Cruise in it that was sort of like that?
 
Debby said:
Mass mental illness? What's in your water? Actually that wouldn't work would it because it would have to be person specific. Okay, how about a genetic anomaly that has a 'combo-gene' that causes the individual to go crazy as they are mentally compelled to become politicians? Do you think? Maybe someone should develop a test for the markers and whichever children are 'doomed' to become crazy politicians can be locked up before they affect society. Pre-emptive strike......wasn't there a science fiction crime thriller with Tom Cruise in it that was sort of like that?
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Problem. We have had some great politicians.
 
Here's a question for everyone. IF Israel WAS spying on the USA.. and told the US congress what it learned in order to undermine the ongoing negotions. AND the Republicans did not tell the Administration about it... which apparently they didn't.. What is that called? Doesn't that cause their national loyalty to be questioned? If the Letter to Iran did not trigger a Justice department investigation. perhaps this is should.
 
Nobody needs an alarm at all. Just listen to all the lefties braying into the wind and you hear lots of noise but nothing of value.
 
BobF said:
Nobody needs an alarm at all. Just listen to all the lefties braying into the wind and you hear lots of noise but nothing of value.
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So I take it you approve of what Netanyahu has done... and approve of Republicans not telling the Administration they were being spied on by a foreign power?
 
As I was reading through the comments there was a nagging tickle in my brain that I'd heard something that paralleled this situation and after doing a bit of bookmark browsing, I finally remembered and it was the following story in the Wall Street Journal:

By MATTHEW KARNITSCHNIG

Updated Feb. 9, 2014 4:17 p.m. ET
'BERLIN—A furor in Europe over new reports of National Security Agency surveillance is undermining U.S. efforts to move beyond the affair and has thrown plans for a trans-Atlantic trade agreement into question just weeks before talks are scheduled to resume.......Officials on both sides of the Atlantic say privately the NSA spying dispute in particular is weighing heavily on the already complicated negotiations over a trans-Atlantic trade deal, known officially as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, or TTIP....'
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303874504579372832399168684

Sounds a little like 'the pot calling the kettle black'.
 
As I said... everyone spies on everyone... That is not the problem.. The problem is that the Republicans in the US Congress KNEW Israel was spying on the negotiations.. and did not tell the Administration about it... leaving in question where their loyalty lies.. with the USA or with a foreign country..
 
You still have not read the article I posted for all to read. In the article it says Israel got its information from other sources and not from US direct. You just love to bash the Republicans for some reason even when there is no reason to do so. Try reading the article I posted above and see what I am talking about. It is not a long read.

Israeli officials told The Wall Street Journal that the country’s intelligence services did not spy directly on the American negotiators, but rather that they found the information through surveillance of Iran and other world powers involved in the negotiations, as well as from some of the world powers themselves.
 
I'm kind of in agreement with QuickSilver Bob. If the Republicans knew 'their own country's negotiations' were being spied on through whatever means and did nothing to tell the 'White House' that it was happening, they failed the country.

And you're right QS that everyone spies on everyone else, but it does seem to me that if I call you friend and you likewise call me friend, you have a moral obligation to have my back or at least respect my sovereignty and not spy on me and vice versa. Seems to me that the USA has exhibited a lapse in judgement in that regard when it comes to the spying the administration has done on 'friends'.
 
Debby said:
I'm kind of in agreement with QuickSilver Bob. If the Republicans knew 'their own country's negotiations' were being spied on through whatever means and did nothing to tell the 'White House' that it was happening, they failed the country.

And you're right QS that everyone spies on everyone else, but it does seem to me that if I call you friend and you likewise call me friend, you have a moral obligation to have my back or at least respect my sovereignty and not spy on me and vice versa. Seems to me that the USA has exhibited a lapse in judgement in that regard when it comes to the spying the administration has done on 'friends'.
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As apparently has every other nation... It is very easy to want to equate Nations as being people.. They are not.. A nation exists for the benefit and welfare of itself.. It is not fair to say that the USA is somehow morally deficient in this respect when it goes on all over the world.
 
As you folks seem to think, I see nothing wrong with what Israel said about how they got the information. If you two just hate the Republicans so badly, that is your problem, not mine. The current government has really gotten the US into some very bad situations. Lucky we only have another year and a half with what we have. Then maybe we will have a decent Democrat or Republican government to replace this current way far far far left government we have today.

Either party and what we need is a President that will listen to the Congress and allow the people to decide how the government should run.
 

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