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May I ask WHO determined which books were to be included in the Bible.. and WHO decided it was the Word of God?

Good questions that are not easily answered.

First question - who determined the biblical canon that we know as the Old and New Testaments?
As they say on Facebook, it's complicated.
Read away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

As for the assertion that the Bible is the Word of God, that is a much more recent event. Christians generally believe that all scripture is inspired by God but not all believe that it is the word of God. The claim that everything we read in the bible is the "inerrant, infallible word of God" became much more popular when Darwin's Origin of Species was published. It was a reaction to the intellectual challenge the theory of evolution made to some bible stories.

In our church when the bible reading is finished we do not say "This is the Word of the Lord". We say "We remember these stories of our faith". I can assure you that we are all followers of Christ, and therefore entitled to call ourselves Christians.
 

There is only one way to God and that is through His Son Jesus Christ. By Grace Alone Through Faith Alone in Christ Alone. God took the initiative to disclose Himself (reveal) to mankind. Heb.1:1 The vehicles varied, sometimes it was through the created order, at other times through visions/dreams or speaking prophets.

However, the most complete and understandable self - disclosures were through the propositions of Scripture. The revealed and written word of God is unique in that it is the only revelation of God that is complete and that so clearly declares man's sinfulness and God's provision of the Savior.

The Bible has One Divine Author , written over 1,500 years ago through the pens of almost 40 human writers. "All Scripture is breathed out by God" (2Tim3:16) knowing this first of all , that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation . For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by The Holy Spirit 2
pet. 1:20-21 By this means the Word of God was protected from human error in its original record by the Holy Spirit Zech.7:12 "the Law and the Words that the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets"

How doe we know what supposed sacred writings were to be included in the Canon of Scripture and which were to be excluded?
Over the centuries Three widely recognized principles were used to validate those writings which came as a result of divine revelation and inspiration. First the writing had to have a recognized prophet or apostle as its author. Second, the writing could not disagree with or contradict previous Scripture. Third, the writing had to have general consensus by the church as an inspired book. Thus, when various councils met in church history to consider the canon, they did not vote for the canonicity of a book but rather recognized, after the fact, what God had already written.

With regard to the OT, by the time of Christ all of the OT had been written and accepted in the Jewish community. The last book , Malachi had been completed about 430 B.C. Not only does the OT canon of Christ's day conform to the OT which has since been used throughout the centuries but it does not contain the Uninspired and spurious Apocrypha, that group of 14 rogue writings which were written after Malachi and attached to the OT about 200-150B.C. in the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT called the Septuagint(LXX) , appearing to this very day in some versions of the Bible. However not one passage from the Apocrypha is cited by any NT writer, nor did Jesus affirm any of it as he recognized the OT canon of His era The same key tests of canonicity that applied to the OT also applied to the NT.

God anticipated man's and Satan's malice towards the Scripture with divine promises to preserve His Word . The very continued existence of Scripture is guaranteed in ISA.40:8, "the grass withers , the flower fades, but the Word of God will stand forever" This even means that no inspired Scripture has been lost in the past and still awaits rediscovery
As Christianity spread, it is certainly true people desired to have the Bible in their own language which required translations from the original Hebrew and Aramaic languages of the OT and the Greek of the NT. Not only did the work of translators provide an opportunity for error, but publication, which was done by hand copying until the printed press arrived c. A.D. 1450 also afforded continual possibilities of error. Through the centuries the practitioners of textual criticism, a precise science, have discovered , preserved, catalogued, evaluated, and published an amazing array of biblical manuscripts from both OT and NT. In fact, the number of existing biblical manuscripts dramatically outdistances the existing fragments of any other ancient literature. By comparing text with text, the textual critic can confidently determine what the original prophetic / apostolic , inspired writing contained
In other Words QS GOD!
 
No it is not over reached Dame. If one does believe the whole Bible is the Inspired Word Of God they just simply are not believers of the One True God. The church is not broad....there are many religions but only one true God. Broad is the road that leads to destruction, Narrow is the road to heaven Everybody wants to believe their own version . But the Bible cannot be picked apart to meet peoples own satisfaction.
Jesus said "I am the Way , the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me" John 14:6
 

I don't want to be rude QS and Debby but that is twisted thinking. Wow. But everyone believes what they believe. And are entitled to it they have the free will choice. I am not saying that to be rude in anyway or anything , it is just twisted thinking of all that the Bible teaches. But oh well I don't argue religion I just tell you what the Bible says. Not of me at all.
 
I do believe that I did say most Christians believe that the scriptures are inspired by God.

Many also say that Jesus himself is the Word of God, the Living Word that was there in the beginning.
That is why John 14:6 makes sense.
We must be careful not to allow reverence for the scriptures turn into worship of the scriptures.
 
You are right . The Scriptures lead us to Worship God. If we worship any thing other than God , it becomes an idol . And the worship of idols are forbidden
 
I normally steer clear of these discussions as I still remember having to bite my tongue frequently when I lived in East TN in the bible belt. I worked with several who took the bible literally and arguing would have been pointless as well as creating ill feelings in the workplace. Thankfully, none tried to save me.

I do get really annoyed when evangelicals make the claim that only followers of Jesus go the heaven and the rest are going to hell (don't really believe in either anyway). They are saying that the 75% of the world who aren't christians are going to hell. Such arrogance and ignorance.
 
Arrogance and ignorance are widespread across the globe.
It is not solely an attribute of certain Christian communities.

Yes it is widespread, but my experiences living in the bible belt showed me that the majority of fundamentalists were narrow-minded and thought they were bad christians if they questioned what their pastor told them. I had people try to shove a free bible into my hands while walking down the street. A few told me I'd go to hell if I didn't find Jesus.
 
Yes it is widespread, but my experiences living in the bible belt showed me that the majority of fundamentalists were narrow-minded and thought they were bad christians if they questioned what their pastor told them. I had people try to shove a free bible into my hands while walking down the street. A few told me I'd go to hell if I didn't find Jesus.

..and you said Go to hell yourself or I'll ram this book....etc.. didn't ya? :lol:
 
Fundamentalists tend to be concentrated in zones. They are not representative of global Christianity.
Nor was biblical fundamentalism common until the late 19th century.
Yes, they can be pushy but they are not the majority.

For what it's worth, I teach my Sunday School kids to think and question.
I model it for them.
 
..and you said Go to hell yourself or I'll ram this book....etc.. didn't ya? :lol:

LOL, the one trying to give me a bible was okay, he just said Jesus loves you. There was a shop that sold all the What Would Jesus Do bumper stickers, etc. Even billboards stating this.

For a while I took a part-time job working on Saturdays in the parking lot of the Baptist Hospital. Sat in a booth collecting the fees, but mostly just reading or listening to music. Often someone would try to get me to go to their church. I could have just kept my mouth shut, but usually I'd politely reply that I didn't go to church and occasionally I'd say I'm not a christian. This infuriated one guy who told me I was going to hell and I could just go worship my Buddha or my Goddesses or whatever it was and he screamed this at me.
:crying:
 
Fundamentalists tend to be concentrated in zones. They are not representative of global Christianity.
Nor was biblical fundamentalism common until the late 19th century.
Yes, they can be pushy but they are not the majority.

For what it's worth, I teach my Sunday School kids to think and question.
I model it for them.

No it isn't representative of all christians. I did specify it was fundamentalists, and from what I've experienced it's mostly in the US and moreso in the bible belt. They don't even like catholics. I was raised a catholic and my husband is a catholic. I've never seen catholics behave this way.

From living in Uganda they appeared to be fundamentalists, even some of the catholics. Most of the missionaries who went to Uganda were fundamentalists from the US. They encouraged the anti-gay laws there and seemed to have helped fuel the push for the execution of gays. Although they backed away when they got blamed.
 
As you know we don't generally get that kind of pestering here in the UK..certainly very rarely in the street if at all... Yes we get the Jehovas witnesses or Mormons knocking on the door occasionally on a Sunday morning but other than that we're pretty much evangelistic free in the UK
 
As you know we don't generally get that kind of pestering here in the UK..certainly very rarely in the street if at all... Yes we get the Jehovas witnesses or Mormons knocking on the door occasionally on a Sunday morning but other than that we're pretty much evangelistic free in the UK

I'm am so grateful for that! In 15 years there's only been one person who came to the door, not sure if she was JW or not. She never tried to sell me a leaflet.
 
I don't want to be rude QS and Debby but that is twisted thinking. Wow. But everyone believes what they believe. And are entitled to it they have the free will choice. I am not saying that to be rude in anyway or anything , it is just twisted thinking of all that the Bible teaches. But oh well I don't argue religion I just tell you what the Bible says. Not of me at all.


Twisted thinking? I pointed out words from your own book. Not sure exactly which of QS's comments you take exception to, but I find it interesting that you take exception to someone bringing up the words of Jesus where he tells the followers to 'be like little children'.
 
twisted thinking...? See... I find believing in fairytales as an adult to be the same... We all have our opinions on what "twisted thinking" is...
 
See Debby tis is what I called twisted thinking , it is what you said you "believe what happens too" about QS comment on not believing in heaven and this reincarnated in pods thing. I find it just so very sad you both don't believe in Heaven . That is all. Nothing more or less. I forget who said they stay out of these discussions , is probably right. There I shall too. But I will always defend the Bible and my Lord.
 
See Debby tis is what I called twisted thinking , it is what you said you "believe what happens too" about QS comment on not believing in heaven and this reincarnated in pods thing. I find it just so very sad you both don't believe in Heaven . That is all. Nothing more or less. I forget who said they stay out of these discussions , is probably right. There I shall too. But I will always defend the Bible and my Lord.


That would be your right... We are both allowed to think the others thinking is "twisted" Don't feel sad for me.. I am happy and relieved that I have finally broken free of the dogma that creates so much division and hatred in the world... My belief gives me more comfort than the belief I have to meet some sort of criteria invented by men for profit and control.
 
"To be like Little Children. ... this is how Jesus characterized conversion. Like the Beatitudes, it pictures faith as simple, helpless, trusting dependence of those who have no resources of their own. Like children, they have no achievements and no accomplishments to offer or commend themselves with. It just simply means to humble oneself Luke refers to little children as infants. (Luke 18:5). So of course it don't mean older children. But it is just saying to the one who humbles himself and comes to true faith in Jesus Christ. The mind set of a small child who depends on his parents. Well I don't know how to get it across to you but ......have a nice day.:)
 

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