Religion or Cult - Scientology Has Big Enough Profits to Advertise on Super Bowl 2015

No... I don't believe that people in ancient times had visions either.. I think it was probably some really good vegetation... smoked or chewed.

Not sure if Ellen was smoking, chewing or scamming... but she certainly didn't talk to God..

On the other hand... hallmark signs of classic schizophrenia are visual and auditory hallucinations.. So it doesn't always have to be scamming I guess.

Ellen White was known to have had an accident where she received a blow to the head and after that her visions began. However, while her visions may have been the result of an accident, they were in no way the source of anything unsavoury or harmful, unlike those of true cults, i.e. Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Heaven's Gate, etc. While I'm not a Christian now, when I was a member of the SDA church, my go-to source for understanding was rarely E.G. White but was restricted to Bible teaching. Mind you, I do know that many folks in the church do have a strong belief in her writings and particularly as they expand on the Biblical source.
 

... Both Cruise and Travolta don't exactly seem like the sharpest knives in the drawer anyway.

Yet, I recall reading something somewhere not too long ago that claimed that intelligent people are MORE easily brainwashed and/or led astray by simple mental magic tricks.

I forgot what the reasoning was but recall it made sense to me at the time.

Maybe I was just brainwashed ...
 

Phil, I think anyone can get sucked into a cult, not dependent on smart or not.....I've met some very intelligent and equally less than intelligent people who were cult members.

Smart factor sounds like an interesting concept though and I'd like to know more about it.
 
I think many people confuse the words cult and sect.
e.g.

noun: cult; plural noun: cults
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St Olaf"

Scientology would fit this definition. Many cults are quite benign. Others are exploitative.


noun: sect; plural noun: sects
a group of people with somewhat different religious beliefs (typically regarded as heretical) from those of a larger group to which they belong.
Sects sometimes hive off to create new forms of something older.
Christianity began as a sect within Judaism, Methodism as a sect (another word is movement) within the Church of England.

There are sects within Islam such as Wahhabism but ISIS would certainly be a cult.






 
I think many religions are glorified cults... Seventh Day Adventist being one. Jehova's Witness another..

My grand parents on my dad's side were 7th Day Adventist Missionaries in Haiti. Why do you think of them as a cult?
Their hospitals operations at Loma Linda are internationally recognised. Although I don't care for the JW's. What makes them a cult?
 
My grand parents on my dad's side were 7th Day Adventist Missionaries in Haiti. Why do you think of them as a cult?
Their hospitals operations at Loma Linda are internationally recognised. Although I don't care for the JW's. What makes them a cult?

I've already had this conversation with Debby upthread..
 
That's right Debbie - what does that tell you?


Well it maybe tells me that whomever wrote that web page doesn't like religion. That's one thing I was wondering about....that your link didn't seem to have any source info. Like who wrote it, what their mandate is....maybe it was there but I couldn't find it.
 
Debbie, that information comes from many sources -- organizations and books about cults written by people who have been in them and by people who did the research. If you are interested and want to do some reading on the subject, you will be able to see how it all fits. Once you are armed with knowledge about these things you can make educated choices. The key is to think for yourself. Christianity is the biggest cult there is, and all religions basically started out as small cults -- but not all cults are harmful and dangerous -- as long as you have the freedom to make your own choices and are not trapped in it physically or psychologically.

You can google the names in blue print and see what they have on their sites too.
 
This woman was a guest on the Coast show (coasttocoastam.com), here's her interview in a nutshell and a link to a site with people who have escaped the religion/cult.

Jenna Miscavige Hill, niece of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige, was raised as a Scientologist but left the controversial religion in 2005. She joined John B. Wells to share her true story of life inside the upper ranks of the sect and her ultimate escape from it.

Hill's parents were members of the Sea Organization, a secretive military-style order whose members sign billion-year contracts dedicating their lives to the church. Children of executives in the church were known as cadets and sent to special boarding school called The Ranch, she explained.

Hill described her time there which included daily inspections, recitation of L. Ron Hubbard's writings, and 25 hours a week of manual labor.

There was an atmosphere of paranoia as children were encouraged to report on each other, she said, adding that any misbehavior was punishable by a written demerit and sometimes having one's head dunked in ice water.

From the ages of six to twelve I was allowed to see my parents only once a week and from twelve to eighteen I only say my mother two times, Hill continued.

She detailed the arduous process of leaving the organization, which can include weeks to months of mandatory "confessional" interrogations hooked to an E-meter (similar to a lie detector). "Every Scientology counselor is trained in physically restraining their subject if they try to leave the room," she noted.

Soon-to-be ex-members must sign non-disclosure bonds subjecting them to a $10,000 fine per violation for speaking out against the religion, she disclosed.

Hill also revealed how church leaders attempted to keep her fiancé from seeing her and leaving the organization. As we were driving away, the security chief actually threatened to do everything in his power to ensure that my fiancé's family never spoke to him again, she recalled.






http://exscientologykids.com/category/esk-stories/
 
Leah Remini's take on Scientology after being in the "church" for 30 years, and leaving it along with her family.

 
Leah Remini has a show going on this. I'm reading her book now.

The money they take from people is insanity. They break up families. I think other religions can do this.

Cult.
 
She is a brave woman to break away, that's all she knew from a young girl. Obviously, she didn't fit the mold and dared to question things. Seems like mind control or brainwashing may be involved here. It doesn't fit the definition of a church either. I'm wondering what ever happened to the leader's wife?

I wouldn't want to criticize someone else's beliefs as long as they cause no harm to anyone. However some of what Leah described really does border upon abuse. Her mother placed the needs of her daughters well behind those of Scientology. That's kind of sad, but I am happy that things did eventually work out for them.
 
She is a brave woman to break away, that's all she knew from a young girl. Obviously, she didn't fit the mold and dared to question things. Seems like mind control or brainwashing may be involved here. It doesn't fit the definition of a church either. I'm wondering what ever happened to the leader's wife?

I wouldn't want to criticize someone else's beliefs as long as they cause no harm to anyone. However some of what Leah described really does border upon abuse. Her mother placed the needs of her daughters well behind those of Scientology. That's kind of sad, but I am happy that things did eventually work out for them.

I'm glad her family followed her out of there, that says a lot.
 
IMO Scientology is both a business and a cult because of its methodologies.
A business because it is explicitly selling product and a cult because of the control that it exercises over its adherents.
 
I had forgotten about that earlier discussion, which shows how great my memory is getting to be! Thanks to all for the info you've provided.
 
As an atheist, I don't have a horse in this race. What I know about Scientology is what I've seen on TV by Leah Remini. If what she says is true, then Scientology is a scam. I've found that if you question someone's belief system, they get very hostile. I don't care what you believe as long as your belief does not interfere with my life in any way. For instance, if you believe eating potatoes is somehow against your belief, that doesn't mean I can't eat potatoes.
 
IMO Scientology is both a business and a cult because of its methodologies.
A business because it is explicitly selling product and a cult because of the control that it exercises over its adherents.

Sort of like Apple, except that you don't get a nice shiny computational device. (Sorry, on a serious note- I concur). ;)
 
Sort of like Apple, except that you don't get a nice shiny computational device. (Sorry, on a serious note- I concur). ;)

A professor from my Alma mater claims that Apple is indeed a cult ...


Robles-Anderson says that, despite appealing to the individuality of contemporary culture, Apple is, definitely, a cult. “It’s so obviously a cult,” she tells Atlas Obscura.

There is a powerful collective experience that Apple provides, and to understand it, you have to look no further than its iPhone release days ..."
 


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