Asking the wrong questions about school shootings

[Timewise 60+]

I don't get it! In our country we have the benefit of access to public schools for all up through high school. Part of this should be a clear understanding that if a child is threatening fellow students and/or teachers/ administrators, then that student should lose the privilege of going to public schools.

Having a public school system should not guarantee access. The part of the responsibility of the school system is to protect the overall population at all times. If you bring a gun to school, you are gone for good! If you attack an employee or fellow student, you are gone! etc. etc.

I realize that some schools may use this to get rid of troublesome students, but better that they error on some, than allowing potentially dangerous students to stay.

In my day, if a kid was deemed a threat or troublemaker they just disappeared. We never saw them in school again! They had pretty much a no tolerance policy...

It is not about being FAIR! It is about protecting kids!

 

[Alligatorob]

If a child or young adult has already been expelled from a school or has been arrested on any kind of weapons charge, they should forfeit the right to be educated in a traditional school environment.. , and should be taught remotely only...

I like the idea, but as you may know it is very difficult to kick a student out of school here.

It would be best if we could figure out how to keep the kid from doing something like this again. Not sure quite what that would look like.

My mother was a teacher and then a principal. One of her stories I will always remember was when she disarmed a 12 year old girl who was threatening other students with a knife. When my mother called the girl's mother her response was "that b**ch stole my f**king knife!" Always wondered where the girl ended up... That was ~30 years ago, unfortunately today it would more likely have been a gun.

 

[hollydolly]

I like the idea, but as you may know it is very difficult to kick a student out of school here.

It would be best if we could figure out how to keep the kid from doing something like this again. Not sure quite what that would look like.

My mother was a teacher and then a principal. One of her stories I will always remember was when she disarmed a 12 year old girl who was threatening other students with a knife. When my mother called the girl's mother her response was "that b**ch stole my f**king knife!" Always wondered where the girl ended up... That was ~30 years ago, unfortunately today it would more likely have been a gun.

Then the law should be changed, There should be no leeway on any student using or carrying an offensive weapon to school. Guns, knives anything that is clearly a weapon which could be used to kill..anyone found with these things on their person must be immediately expelled and remote learning implemented

 

[Pepper]

Holly is being real tough here, but she's making a lot of sense.

 

[Timewise 60+]

Then the law should be changed, There should be no leeway on any student using or carrying an offensive weapon to school. Guns, knives anything that is clearly a weapon which could be used to kill..anyone found with these things on their person must be immediately expelled and remote learning implemented

I agree!

Unfortunately, in America we frequently let the 'system' make the rules (Some exceptions exist for sure).

Our public school system is paid for by the people's taxes. Accordingly, the people should be able to set the rules and standards that apply to the schools where our kids go. Alas, we have let the teachers, administrators, and school boards set the rules and standards. If parents would organize, we could change this working through the government representatives. They will in fact, work for us IF a large number of us force them to. But the reality is, we are not very good at getting together and solving our problems...a bit of a Catch 22 I think...

 

[Jules]

That's what I mean about the press not following up on the environment where shooters live. Surely by now, they must know where he lived. Reporters should go interview the parents and social services people should go check to see what it's like inside the house. It's probably a filthy %$#@!hole.

Reporters would become the judge and jury? That’s not a group I’d trust to be fair. Anything for the story. People have no obligation to answer them anyway.

 

[WhatInThe]

If there are no more schools for troubled youths, maybe home schooling should be considered as a viable option to keep everyone safe and give peace of mind to parents. I think if I had a child in the shooter’s school, I would be at least a bit concerned.

Good idea but as Pepper noted not all parents or household have an adult or time available to home school. Might not even have the money although maybe somekind of voucher system so parents can send their children to a smaller home type school or bring in a home school specialist that deals with delinquents.

 

[SeniorBen]

Reporters would become the judge and jury? That’s not a group I’d trust to be fair. Anything for the story. People have no obligation to answer them anyway.

I'd be willing to bet that the shooter's home life left a lot to be desired. If the parents had any sense of decency, they would have offered a public apology by now.

 

[Jules]

I'd be willing to bet that the shooter's home life left a lot to be desired. If the parents had any sense of decency, they would have offered a public apology by now.

That may be true, but I still don’t think it’s the job of the media to harass the family.

 

[SeniorBen]

That may be true, but I still don’t think it’s the job of the media to harass the family.

That's true... it's not the job of the media to harass the family. It's their job to report facts.

Another article about the shooting said the reporters tried to reach out to the family but haven't heard back. That's a good indication that the parents don't give a crap and aren't fit to raise children. All they had to say is that they're sorry about what their son did and that they're hoping those injured make full recoveries, but beyond that, they can't comment... or something to that effect.

Perhaps the parents should be harassed and run out of town.

 

[Warrigal]

The American psyche does not promote gun violence. What does "American psyche" even mean?

You tell me. All I know is that where I live people don't fetishise firearms. Owning one is not a right, nor a rite of passage, and children do not bring them to school.

The Hollywood film industry seems to love movies where disputes are settled with a hail of bullets. Think Bruce Willis in the Die Hard movies. Personally, I prefer the Avatar style of movie.

 

[Murrmurr]

You tell me. All I know is that where I live people don't fetishise firearms. Owning one is not a right, nor a rite of passage, and children do not bring them to school.

The Hollywood film industry seems to love movies where disputes are settled with a hail of bullets. Think Bruce Willis in the Die Hard movies. Personally, I prefer the Avatar style of movie.

Hollywood doesn't do documentaries. Around 40% of Americans own a firearm or live in a home with at least one firearm. A far greater percentage of Americans financially supports the pornographic industry and over half of them are into various sekshual fetishes, but they don't represent "the American psyche," either.

I don't know what that term means, but if in this case you mean it's a term for the American point of view where it comes to firearms, then I'd say, from an American's perspective, that the majority of us hold ALL of our Rights very close to our hearts, that The Bill of Rights is probably more dear to us than our Constitution is, and that we expect our gov't to protect and defend it. When they don't, we do what Americans can to change that, like using our right to protest, to vote, to publish our opinions.

...after we sign out of our favorite porn site, of course.

 

[win231]

That's true... it's not the job of the media to harass the family. It's their job to report facts.

Another article about the shooting said the reporters tried to reach out to the family but haven't heard back. That's a good indication that the parents don't give a crap and aren't fit to raise children. All they had to say is that they're sorry about what their son did and that they're hoping those injured make full recoveries, but beyond that, they can't comment... or something to that effect.

Perhaps the parents should be harassed and run out of town.

The two Columbine shooters were working constantly in their parents' garages, grinding & sawing barrels & modifying guns, etc. making loud noises at all hours of the morning - 1:00am - 5:00am. Their parents said they were unaware & heard nothing.......

 

[Sassycakes]

In my opinion, his parents should be prosecuted for #1 letting their son have a gun and not keeping it locked up so he couldn't have 100% access to it. What is wrong with people today?