Unvaxxed discrimination?

win231 said:
Yeah, them graphs are..........meaningful. IF you swallow everything you're fed.
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So all graphics are unreliable? Does that apply to all charts or just graphs? And what about spreadsheets? Are all of them unreliable? Or perhaps all data is unreliable and we can't believe anything unless it fits our worldview. :ROFLMAO:
 

SeniorBen said:
So all graphics are unreliable? Does that apply to all charts or just graphs? And what about spreadsheets? Are all of them unreliable? Or perhaps all data is unreliable and we can't believe anything unless it fits our worldview. :ROFLMAO:
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Where big profits are concerned, a graph will show what is needed.
But, of course you're free to believe whatever fits your worldview. :giggle:
 
win231 said:
No more than the flu.
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Do you have any evidence to support that?

I have tried to research that question and it is harder to answer than the question of how many people Covid kills. We don't document flu deaths the same way we do Covid. However the credible studies I could find do support Covid being more deadly. See for example:

Risk of Death in Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19 vs Seasonal Influenza in Fall-Winter 2022-2023
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749

or

How Do COVID-19’s Annual Deaths and Mortality Rate Compare to the Flu’s?
https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and-death-rates-by-year

The difference however is something like 2 to 5 times, not huge. And it seems to be declining.
 

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chic said:
Were you ever discriminated against for being unvaccinated for covid 19? I wasn't in my real life where everyone treated me decently and respected my choice but online? OMG. There were, and probably still are, people who wanted to see me and other unvaccinated people detained and segregated from the rest of society until we submitted to vaccination.
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note the side effects are starting to show up, result sick people all needed medical care insurance business and so on....
 
It’s a personal decision and I respect everyone’s right to make it. A good friend of mine died within 5 days of getting Covid before the vaccine was available. Yes some people have been vaccinate injured. It happens with all vaccines. I had 3 doses but now that the virus is no longer virulent I will not get anymore.
 
When the Covid started, after reading many articles, did my own research, spoke to a few medical friends...I made the decision to not have any vaccines. My family all followed my decision. I did get Covid 2x.. First time...I had fever that lasted for 7 days. Second time headache/cold for 2 days. After those times nothing. I stayed home during this time...alerted family/friends. I have had the flu that was so much worse than Covid. My spouse, all tho he passed from a blood clot...never had Covid, never was sick at any time...Never had any vaccines either. I respect decisions of People that had the vaccines/and the ones that chose not to. I believe the vaccines are a personal decision that each person makes for themselves.
 
MaryM58 said:
When the Covid started, after reading many articles, did my own research, spoke to a few medical friends...I made the decision to not have any vaccines. My family all followed my decision. I did get Covid 2x.. First time...I had fever that lasted for 7 days. Second time headache/cold for 2 days. After those times nothing. I stayed home during this time...alerted family/friends. I have had the flu that was so much worse than Covid. My spouse, all tho he passed from a blood clot...never had Covid, never was sick at any time...Never had any vaccines either. I respect decisions of People that had the vaccines/and the ones that chose not to. I believe the vaccines are a personal decision that each person makes for themselves.
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Wow. That's impressive, I, too, believe it's a personal choice and vaccines like this should NEVER be be mandated by governments. It's a serious decision.
 
charry said:
This covid , started of bad , and scared everyone , and cost the tax payer lots of money….and then all of a sudden, it all went quiet……...with nobody knowing, what was happening and going on …
it caused alot of arguments, breakups, abuse in the homes, children being taken into care , etc etc ..
yes it caused a lot of deaths , but not nearly as many deaths as the Flu does every year…….
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What is the source of your statistics about the flu causing more deaths every year?

Of course, if you're using numbers from 20 years ago, before covid even existed, you'd be right. But during the pandemic, how many people died of flu as opposed to covid? (Before there was a vaccine.) Remember. the worldwide covid number was in the millions.
 
Sunny said:
What is the source of your statistics about the flu causing more deaths every year?

Of course, if you're using numbers from 20 years ago, before covid even existed, you'd be right. But during the pandemic, how many people died of flu as opposed to covid? (Before there was a vaccine.) Remember. the worldwide covid number was in the millions.
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Go google it if your concerned sunny
All I know is that covid was scare mongering and mostly all covid death were flu deaths
Just my opinion from certain doctors and pharmacy’s
That’s why I’ve never been
Vaccinated and never caught “ so called covid “ !!!
 
Timewise 60+ said:
We were vaxed but no one ever asked us to prove we were vaxed. I carried that little card to prove I was vaxed, but never had to pull it out. I don't even have it anymore...
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Like everything at the beginning ….plastic cages in supermarkets , gloves , masks , sprays ..
no hairdressers etc etc
it was just a stronger strain of flu ….didn’t need all the tax payers money for the extra precautions ,
look at everyone now….!! Mixing , and in each others pockets …..!!!
 
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charry said:
it takes longer than 2 months to make vaccine serum......and would normally be on trial for years
so im guessing , the humans were guinea pigs .......no thanks ........ ......
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The reason the vaccines appeared to take such a short time was because the basic vaccine was already done they simply had to add the covid19 to it. No politician was responsible for the vaccine!
 
charry said:
How do you know ,this vaccine was already done ? @mrstime ?
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"How long did it take to make the COVID vaccine?
Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines in people were established in what seemed like record time. But in reality, more than 50 years of public and private laboratory research laid the groundwork for the rapid development of these life-saving vaccines."

I listened to the scientists and doctors!
 
chic said:
In Pfizer's clinical trials 23% of the vaccinated ended up with a vaccine injury as compared to the placebo group. Now all cause mortality is up 23% in the vaccinated. Coincidence?
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''What are the harmful effects of Pfizer?
Pfizer-BioNTech Company has reported many COVID-19 vaccine reactions & adverse events, including some local reactions such as redness, swelling, and pain at the injection site and some systemic reactions such as fever, fatigue, headache, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, and new or worsening muscle/joint pain.''

Beats dying. Our son who rarely gets sick and has been allergic to most vaccines caught Covid 19 before the vaccine. He was extremely sick for over a week. Very high fever couldn't sleep, we were worried sick, oh yes and he wouldn't let us come anywhere near him. When the vaccine was offered to his age group he was right there! He said he never wanted to that sick again. We all got all the shots and the boosters and then all 3 of us got covid 19, thankfully none of us was very sick, and it passed in days. I have COPD without the vaccine I feel certain it would have killed me. DH has diabetes and he thinks it would have killed him too.
 
chic said:
Fauci said it. I heard him say that anyway about the vaccines. They were prepping for this for a long time.
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I think Fauci knew more than he ever let on about the whole matter. If he was already prepping for it, then he knew something was up & seems like he kept it to himself. Sounds like dereliction in doing his job. The entire thing may have been prevented if there had been honesty.
 
mrstime said:
"How long did it take to make the COVID vaccine?
Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines in people were established in what seemed like record time. But in reality, more than 50 years of public and private laboratory research laid the groundwork for the rapid development of these life-saving vaccines."

I listened to the scientists and doctors!
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They talk a lot , and say and mean nothing !!
but I guess if you believe in something it makes one happy !!
 
mrstime said:
The reason the vaccines appeared to take such a short time was because the basic vaccine was already done they simply had to add the covid19 to it. No politician was responsible for the vaccine!
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Thanks, good to hear from reasonable people here who pay attention. Don't know how many times this has been repeated, yet it falls on deaf ears with certain types.
 
mrstime said:
''What are the harmful effects of Pfizer?
Pfizer-BioNTech Company has reported many COVID-19 vaccine reactions & adverse events, including some local reactions such as redness, swelling, and pain at the injection site and some systemic reactions such as fever, fatigue, headache, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, and new or worsening muscle/joint pain.''

Beats dying. Our son who rarely gets sick and has been allergic to most vaccines caught Covid 19 before the vaccine. He was extremely sick for over a week. Very high fever couldn't sleep, we were worried sick, oh yes and he wouldn't let us come anywhere near him. When the vaccine was offered to his age group he was right there! He said he never wanted to that sick again. We all got all the shots and the boosters and then all 3 of us got covid 19, thankfully none of us was very sick, and it passed in days. I have COPD without the vaccine I feel certain it would have killed me. DH has diabetes and he thinks it would have killed him too.
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I'm glad your son recovered. He's a smart man, raised well. (y)
 
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