LGBTQ books in public school libraries

My family story was intended to illustrate how deeply my children felt their classmate's pain and how they got a front row seat to the terrible enduring legacy of slavery. I'd be surprised if it turned out the fairly young teacher ever ran that project again. Troy's shame was not because of the color of his skin but because it was yet another example of the powerlessness of his enslaved ancestors.. Truly, the shame belonged elsewhere, and by my son's account of the incident, shame was sorely felt by all in the classroom that day.

Michael may have distanced himself from your son for reasons having nothing to do with that incident. When children hit junior high they often gravitate to new friendships. Michael may have desired friends who looked like him and deeply understood his challenges of being dark skinned in a country where Whites continue/d to hold most of the power.
My story was not about Michael's or Troy's shame but about my son's shame -- and tears and his sleepless nights. Michael quit wanting to play with my son that day. He didn't enter junior high for another year and a half, Their were no other black children in his class, he began playing with another white boy in our neighborhood.

My son learned all about the holocaust a few years later and because he has German ancestors he took that very hard also.

Of course we have to learn history but the general attitude from teachers these days is the same as yours. Tell what happened and make sure the white kids feel the full force of guilt about what white people did in the past -- and yes it is about skin color. Never mind that the child's actual ancestors might have been in Ireland during the slave years or Greman-Americans in America during WWII -- it's the simple fact of being white that makes them in the wrong to most people.

It's clear from this very forum that hatred and bigotry toward Christians is perfectly acceptable, statements about how "nasty" they Christians are and how everyone of them turns rotten the minute they leave the church, are are allowed to stand when such statements would be attacked if they were made about any other religion or race. It's tied in with what is being taught in schools from elementary through college that white people are bad people, period.
 

Maybe it's just me but I tend to not remember a whole lot about what I read but I do remember what I've seen & heard. So books in a library are cause for a lawsuit Give Me A Break!!!
The parental anger is not so much about books on a shelf, but rather the deliberate discussion by teachers of the contents of those books in class, in a sense turning books into course material. You may or may not agree with parental objection to grammar school classroom discussion of lgbtq, but most parents don’t like it.
 
The parental anger is not so much about books on a shelf, but rather the deliberate discussion by teachers of the contents of those books in class, in a sense turning books into course material. You may or may not agree with parental objection to grammar school classroom discussion of lgbtq, but most parents don’t like it.
How did this get from objecting to library books to classroom discussion?
 
How did this get from objecting to library books to classroom discussion?
Already discussed in this thread — parents have sued schools for more than just books on shelves, but classroom discussion of book contents obviously aimed at informing, and educating, young children on the facts of LGTBQ. Some parents would prefer to be the ones to inform their children on these issues.
 
Already discussed in this thread — parents have sued schools for more than just books on shelves, but classroom discussion of book contents obviously aimed at informing, and educating, young children on the facts of LGTBQ. Some parents would prefer to be the ones to inform their children on these issues.
Like when? Never? Can't completely leave things in hands of either school or parents, must be a balance of where info comes from.
 
Like when? Never? Can't completely leave things in hands of either school or parents, must be a balance of where info comes from.
Apparently some parents would disagree with you on that.

“Parents sue Maryland school district for mandating LGBT books for K-5 students​


Maryland's Montgomery County school board usurped parents' authority by mandating 'LGBTQIA+' grooming for all pre-K-5 students.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...ct-for-mandating-lgbt-books-for-k-5-students/
 
Certain things I support others I do not, my choice there.

The parental anger is not so much about books on a shelf, but rather the deliberate discussion by teachers of the contents of those books in class, in a sense turning books into course material. You may or may not agree with parental objection to grammar school classroom discussion of lgbtq, but most parents don’t like it.
Where in the ops post #1 did it mention teachers discussing library book contents?

As for me the more I thought about this if one of my sons came home with a book like the ones being objected to I sit & talk to him about the content. I'd begin by asking him what he thought. I don't think pretending that differences don't exist is a healthy way to raise kids.
 
Where in the ops post #1 did it mention teachers discussing library book contents?
Please note the words and phrases ..”instructional material”, “human sexuality curriculum“ and “instruction with the inclusive materials”. If you still choose not to believe, so be it.

“The board initially confirmed that parents had the right to be notified about the books and request alternate instructional material for their children, the plaintiffs say. But it reversed that position in March, according to the complaint. The board announced that although parents still may remove their children from “family life and human sexuality” curriculum, they may not be excused from instruction with the inclusive materials, plaintiffs say.”
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/maryland-parents-sue-to-opt-kids
 
I know Muslim parents who keep their children shielded from all this. That is their right. Concentration ought to be on academic material and love of study, qualifications for good careers.
 
come off it Rose65 things were vastly different then weren't they??
Sure they were — vastly different. Stores weren’t being closed by wholesale thievery, tents didn’t line city streets, biological male trans athletes weren’t demanding to compete against biological females, and pregnant transgender “males” weren’t being featured on magazine covers. The world is changing, and some might believe it is not for the better.
 
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So, to put it succinctly , "ignorance is bliss", right?

There are some that assert that the Holocaust never happened, is that where our country is headed?
CRT is a false dangerous and throughly biased concept that can only tear our society apart. Any comparison to the Holocaust is an outrage.
 
CRT is a pretty accurate depiction of the ugly side of American history. It is true, it really happened, and it cannot be swept under the rug because it is "inconvenient."

However, I do agree that comparing it to the Holocaust is going too far. White Americans enslaved Black Americans (at least, some White Americans did), and our society as a whole discriminated against nonwhite minorities outrageously for many years. It still goes on today, though the minorities are now fighting back.

But thank God, we never had Auschwitz and Dachau in this country.

How did this conversation get so far off the subject, anyway?
 
Utah parent upset by book bans gets Bible pulled from school shelves to expose ‘bad faith process’
"You’ll no doubt find that the Bible, under Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227, has ‘no serious values for minors’ because it’s pornographic by our new definition,” the parent wrote.
June 2, 2023 NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ble-pulled-school-shelves-expose-ba-rcna87450

Trying to understand global politics and world cultures is impossible without learning about "the dark side" of EVERY country's history. My sister was born in the Tule Lake relocation camp under Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066. My parents lost their family farm. It does not mean that I hate Roosevelt, the Democrats, or white people or Americans, as a result.

To eliminate CRT would mean I would never know that Executive Order 9066 was an irrational action of pure, unfounded fear; that wiped out almost an entire generation's hard-earned net worth. Did you know that some Italian Americans and German Americans were also imprisoned?

This is NOT politics. It is history, just as the Raj period and Caribbean slave owning is part of British history. That is why there is the saying, "Those who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it." We do not and should not want to repeat historic persecution, because at one time or another, just about every race, class, and religion has been persecuted by others for not being "like them".
 
Utah parent upset by book bans gets Bible pulled from school shelves to expose ‘bad faith process’
"You’ll no doubt find that the Bible, under Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227, has ‘no serious values for minors’ because it’s pornographic by our new definition,” the parent wrote.
June 2, 2023 NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ble-pulled-school-shelves-expose-ba-rcna87450

Trying to understand global politics and world cultures is impossible without learning about "the dark side" of EVERY country's history. My sister was born in the Tule Lake relocation camp under Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066. My parents lost their family farm. It does not mean that I hate Roosevelt, the Democrats, or white people or Americans, as a result.

To eliminate CRT would mean I would never know that Executive Order 9066 was an irrational action of pure, unfounded fear; that wiped out almost an entire generation's hard-earned net worth. Did you know that some Italian Americans and German Americans were also imprisoned?

This is NOT politics. It is history, just as the Raj period and Caribbean slave owning is part of British history. That is why there is the saying, "Those who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it." We do not and should not want to repeat historic persecution, because at one time or another, just about every race, class, and religion has been persecuted by others for not being "like them".

Well, that seems fitting for the so-called good book to be banned too.

Lots of obscenity and violence in the Bible.
 
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Where in the ops post #1 did it mention teachers discussing library book contents?

As for me the more I thought about this if one of my sons came home with a book like the ones being objected to I sit & talk to him about the content. I'd begin by asking him what he thought. I don't think pretending that differences don't exist is a healthy way to raise kids.
sanity at last!
 


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