Religion in America slips....

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Christianity is on the decline in America, not just among younger generations or in certain regions of the country but across race, gender, education and geographic barriers. The percentage of adults who describe themselves as Christians dropped by nearly eight percentage points in just seven years to about 71 percent, according to a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center.

“It’s remarkably widespread,” said Alan Cooperman, director of religion research for the Pew Research Center. “The country is becoming less religious as a whole, and it’s happening across the board.”


At the same time, the share of those who are not affiliated with a religion has jumped from 16 percent to about 23 percent in the same time period. The trend follows a pattern found earlier in the American Religious Identification Survey, which found that in 1990, 86 percent of American adults identified as Christians, compared with 76 percent in 2008.


Here are three key takeaways from Pew’s new survey.

1. Millennials are growing even less affiliated with religion as they get older
The older generation of millennials (those who were born from 1981 to 1989) are becoming even less affiliated with religion than they were about a decade ago, the survey suggests. In 2007, when the Pew Research Center did their last Religious Landscape Survey and these adults were just entering adulthood, 25 percent of them did not affiliate with a religion, but this grew to 34 percent in the latest survey.
The trends among the aging millennials is especially significant, said Greg Smith, associate director of research at the Pew Research Center. In 2010, 13 percent of baby boomers were religiously unaffiliated as they were entering retirement, the same percentage in 1972.
“Some have asked, ‘Might they become more religiously affiliated as they get older?’ There’s nothing in this data to suggest that’s what’s happening,” he said. Millennials get married later than older generations, but they are not necessarily more likely to become religiously affiliated, he said.
2. There are more religiously unaffiliated Americans than Catholic Americans or mainline Protestant Americans
The numbers of Catholics and Protestants have each shrunk between three and five percentage points since 2007. The evangelical share of the American population has dropped by one percentage point since 2007.
There are more religiously unaffiliated Americans (23 percent) than Catholics (21 percent) and mainline Protestants (15 percent). “That’s a striking and important note,” Smith said.
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The groups experience their losses through what’s called “religious switching,” when someone switches from one faith to another. Thirteen percent of Americans were raised Catholic but are no longer Catholic, compared with just 2 percent of Americans who are converts to Catholicism.
“That means that there are more than six former Catholics for every convert to Catholicism,” Smith said. “There’s no other group in the survey that has that ratio of loss due to religious switching.”
There are 3 million fewer Catholics today than there were in 2007. While the percentage of Catholics in the United States has remained relatively steady, Smith said we might be observing the beginning of the decline of the Catholic share of the population.
Pew estimates there are about 5 million fewer mainline Protestants than there were in 2007. About 10 percent of the U.S. population say they were raised in the mainline Protestant tradition, while 6 percent have converted to mainline Protestantism.
Evangelical Protestants have experienced less decline, due to their net positive retention rate. For every person who has left evangelical Protestantism after growing up, 1.2 have switched to join an evangelical denomination.
3. Those who are unaffiliated are becoming more secular
The “nones,” or religiously unaffiliated, include atheists, agnostics and those who say they believe in “nothing in particular.” Of those who are unaffiliated, 31 percent describe themselves as atheists or agnostics, up six points from 2007.
“What we’re seeing now is that the share of people who say religion is important to them is declining,” Smith said. “The religiously unaffiliated are not just growing, but as they grow, they are becoming more secular.”
And people in older generations are increasingly disavowing organized religion. Among baby boomers, 17 percent identify as a religious “none,” up from 14 percent in 2007.
“There’s a continuing religious disaffiliation among older cohorts. That is really striking,” Smith said. “I continue to be struck by the pace at which the unaffiliated are growing.”
White Americans (24 percent) are more likely to say they have no religion, compared with 20 percent of Hispanic Americans and 18 percent of black Americans. The retention rates of the “nones” who say they were raised as religiously affiliated has grown by seven points since 2007 to 53 percent.
The Pew survey was conducted between June and September of 2014.
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Now if we could just get the middle east to wake up, but there if you speak out about religion, you get beheaded.
 

I'm sorry Merlin, but I didn't feel confident that I understood exactly what you meant in either statement. Could you rephrase your comment?

Sorry Josiah it was a throwaway remark, not to be taken seriously, .........too much cognac :) .............on a more serious note, I have always been surprised by how seriously the US takes religion, and how little attention is paid to conservation of energy, and climate change.

By the way Mr Putin regards Europe as being highly immoral and "lost to the devil" which is what I quoted. Religion is taken very seriously in Russia, but not to the extent of beheading, at least not yet.
 
Religion is not disappearing in Australia but Christianity is in decline.
The census taken every 5 years shows it still to be the majority acknowledged faith but the percentage is less every time.

Australians have always worn their religion lightly. I only ever talk about it at church and on this forum in discussions.
My ethics and morality, particularly with respect to social justice, are predicated on my religious understandings of my life's purpose.
 
I heard a conservative talk show host going bonkers over this Pew survey this morning, denying any validity, and insisting that Christians like himself were still going strong in America despite the findings of the survey, he was quite upset. I was raised as Catholic, and no longer have any desire to be involved with any organized religion. I don't care what people choose to believe personally, it just disturbs me when someone running for an important public office, like the Presidency, wants to rule the country by the bible and wants to influence the country the way his god directs him.
 
More and more people are discovering that the most important thing in most churches is the passing of the Collection Plate. Radicalism, and Extremism is becoming the norm in many religions.
 
I heard a conservative talk show host going bonkers over this Pew survey this morning, denying any validity, and insisting that Christians like himself were still going strong in America despite the findings of the survey, he was quite upset. I was raised as Catholic, and no longer have any desire to be involved with any organized religion. I don't care what people choose to believe personally, it just disturbs me when someone running for an important public office, like the Presidency, wants to rule the country by the bible and wants to influence the country the way his god directs him.

It scares me to think of the number of voters who would eagerly support theocracy in the US. That is, as long as it is Christian theocracy.
 
It could be argued that Jesus never expected his followers to be the majority.
They are meant to be the light in the darkness, the yeast in the bread and the salt in the stew.
In other words, Christians are meant to be an additive that improves and enriches society.

I have no problem contemplating a future where Christians are a small minority but I do not want them to disappear altogether.
I would regard that as a loss for humanity.
 
I heard a conservative talk show host going bonkers over this Pew survey this morning, denying any validity, and insisting that Christians like himself were still going strong in America despite the findings of the survey, he was quite upset. I was raised as Catholic, and no longer have any desire to be involved with any organized religion. I don't care what people choose to believe personally, it just disturbs me when someone running for an important public office, like the Presidency, wants to rule the country by the bible and wants to influence the country the way his god directs him.

Well Christians "like himself" are still going strong. As they become fewer in numbers, they get louder and more extreme.
The good part is that their very actions are one of the big reasons people are turning away. The main reason, world wide, to my mind, is the internet. People who would never have dreamed of voicing their disbelief to the person next to them in the pew, are talking to each other anonymously on the Web and finding many sympathetic ears. Its the great prison escape of the 21st century.
 
I take this as a very healthy trend. It show that more people are unwilling to blindly accept a religious doctrine or to have it imposed on them by others who think they know better.
 
There were many nations essentially ruled by religion in centuries past....think Europe in the Middle ages...and history shows how well that worked out for the average people. People like Huckabee seem to think that turning the clock back 700 years would be a good thing. Islam's hold on the Middle East today certainly isn't doing the people of those nations any favors. One of the wisest moves our government established in its foundation was the Separation of Church and State....Politics should Never by guided by the Pulpit.
 
Religion is slipping in Canada also. Fortunately, even our right-wing evangelical Prime Minister keeps his antiquated religious beliefs out of his politics, except for his biblical fixation with Israel, and subsequent attempt to exclude the United Church of Canada wherever he can.
 
What's funny about the "biblical fixation" about Israel, is that the far right could care less about the Jews now... Their roll is to repent in the end and "accept Jesus". If not... off to hell with them...

However, the Bible does say there will be terrible conflict in Israel during the end times. That is why the time period is known as the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and the “time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). Here is what the Bible says about Israel in the end times:

There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).

The Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant of "peace" with Israel (Isaiah 28:18; Daniel 9:27).

The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1).

The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, and worldwide persecution of Israel will result (Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11; Zechariah 11:16; Matthew 24:15, 21; Revelation 12:13). Israel will be invaded (Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered (Jeremiah 33:8; Ezekiel 11:17; Romans 11:26).


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/end-times-Israel.html#ixzz3a8EbcFfw
 
It could be argued that Jesus never expected his followers to be the majority.
They are meant to be the light in the darkness, the yeast in the bread and the salt in the stew.
In other words, Christians are meant to be an additive that improves and enriches society.

I have no problem contemplating a future where Christians are a small minority but I do not want them to disappear altogether.
I would regard that as a loss for humanity.

I appreciate your sympathies for the faith you know and love. Good people would not disappear if Christianity and/or all other religions did. It is possible for people to be good, just because they are good. I think its sad that people separate themselves into rival groups over mystical ideas. I apply this to all magical thinking. I am an equal opportunity non-believer.
 
Back in the 50's when I was in the service and they were issuing dog tags one of the pieces of info included on them along with name, branch, serial number, blood type was religion. As I recall there were three choices, Protestant, Catholic or Jewish. I don't think they asked if you preferred "none of the above" but I chose the Protestant rather than make an issue of it. So, had anything have happened to me some some poor minister would have been summoned to usher me into "heaven".
 
Back in the 50's when I was in the service and they were issuing dog tags one of the pieces of info included on them along with name, branch, serial number, blood type was religion. As I recall there were three choices, Protestant, Catholic or Jewish. I don't think they asked if you preferred "none of the above" but I chose the Protestant rather than make an issue of it. So, had anything have happened to me some some poor minister would have been summoned to usher me into "heaven".

As an agnostic? I'd say.. "couldn't hurt, just in case" lol!
 
Underock, hello my favourite jousting partner! While I agree that religious extremism is often responsible for many ills, so are many other forms of extremism. We are a contrary species that often enjoys killing each other, sometimes over a parking space. A totally secular world would only give rise to alternate excuses for hatred in all it's myriad guises. IMHO, we need to change the way we fundamentally think about ourselves and each other, in particular, women and children. Sadly, my experience of a relatively secular society was unpleasant. Hatred and contempt cross all boundaries. Atheism does not remove perversion or cruelty, or a secular state effectively protect against it. Often, power is it's own religion. To me, that is often where the true pathology lies.
 
Underock, hello my favourite jousting partner! While I agree that religious extremism is often responsible for many ills, so are many other forms of extremism. We are a contrary species that often enjoys killing each other, sometimes over a parking space. A totally secular world would only give rise to alternate excuses for hatred in all it's myriad guises. IMHO, we need to change the way we fundamentally think about ourselves and each other, in particular, women and children. Sadly, my experience of a relatively secular society was unpleasant. Hatred and contempt cross all boundaries. Atheism does not remove perversion or cruelty, or a secular state effectively protect against it. Often, power is it's own religion. To me, that is often where the true pathology lies.

If you're saying that people are people, I go along with that. Removing the authority of an all powerful being as assumed by the self appointed interpreters of His wishes would at least eliminate one excuse. People might think a little clearer if they stopped looking for answers in the sky and payed a little more attention to the planet.
 


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