Female surgeons being assaulted

[David777]

As someone that has been in the military during war and worked in a list of corporations over decades, none of this surprises me nor that over my lifetime such has become more commonplace in this godless era. What is new is social and news media can much more readily bring such behaviors into the public light. The outing of religious perverts in recent decades was just the tip of a monstrous homo sapiens behavioral iceberg.

Many men, especially those in power and physically larger stronger, have always used force for secks if they thought they could get away with whatever. One need not look any further than our secks sells mindset film and tv media. Much worse now for the sake of misguided notions of "freedom" is all the foul pornographic materials, that feeds uninhibited imaginations with many addicted to embarrassing disgusting secret perversions. Just like Pavlov's dog, due to neural plasticity, one becomes what what experiences and does including in secret imaginations.

 

[Old Salt]

your mum was very much ahead of her time...

Absolutely! If anyone were old enough to go back to the forties with me their reaction to the modern definition of some sexual offenses would be: "Much ado about nothing!" And I am not saying they were right! I am a sinner on my way to recovery, remember? Just that the times were different! And I am being re-educated by all of you, since most of you are younger!

 

[officerripley]

You left out the important part

And that would be?

 

[Packerjohn]

Whatever next! BBC News headlines.

Now the news is that female surgeons are being sexually assaulted even as they operate, doing their jobs. I can hardly believe such stuff goes on. Has this always gone on but now people just talk about it a lot more? These are professionals doing highly responsible work, yet here again men's disrespect towards women. Who can be trusted? Overall it is a positive that these injustices are being uncovered and dealt with.

I am appalled at how much human beings abuse each other. The news is always emphasising the misery of our existence and the worst of human nature. Human nature is basically very corrupt, it cannot be relied upon.
It is wonder that the majority of us can live relatively peacefully the majority of the time and cooperate on most levels.

SEX SELLS! SEX NEWS TOO SELLS! Ya, sure! If you believe the media all the time, you will be convinced 100% that everyone in this world is sexually abusing everyone else. Give me a break! I'm 77 and never sexually abused anyone so you will never read about me in the media.

I am starting to believe that more and more news is not worth reading. Of course, there are important news stories that everyone should read and be made aware of. We are getting to be a sex-starved nation that gets it's "jollies" from non stop news about sex perverts. Time to "smarten up and move on". Let's stop talking about isolated pervert cases and move on to the big issues that affect all of us: global warming, massive consumer debt, the war in Ukraine, etc., etc, etc.

 

[Old Salt]

And that would be?

The rest of the post with my "Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpas!" It made it seem lopsided! To Me!!

 

[officerripley]

The rest of the post with my "Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpas!" It made it seem lopsided! To Me!!

Oh, okay, here the rest of it is for anyone who missed it:

But listening to your (women's) reactions I am starting to change my mind. My daughter is helping with this gradual conversion. I had a heated discussion with her about those so-called sexual "attacks" and she told me: "Dad, you will never understand. You are not a woman!" So this is my promise, I will be a lot more hesitant about making fun of things that, to me, until now seemed harmless!

Sorry I left it out and I do appreciate your efforts to see another side of things. Receiving unasked-for touching from another female is uncomfortable; receiving unasked-for touching from any male other than a toddler is not only uncomfortable, it can be downright scary.

 

[hollydolly]

SEX SELLS! SEX NEWS TOO SELLS! Ya, sure! If you believe the media all the time, you will be convinced 100% that everyone in this world is sexually abusing everyone else. Give me a break! I'm 77 and never sexually abused anyone so you will never read about me in the media.

I am starting to believe that more and more news is not worth reading. Of course, there are important news stories that everyone should read and be made aware of. We are getting to be a sex-starved nation that gets it's "jollies" from non stop news about sex perverts. Time to "smarten up and move on". Let's stop talking about isolated pervert cases and move on to the big issues that affect all of us: global warming, massive consumer debt, the war in Ukraine, etc., etc, etc.

you think you haven't and I absolutely believe you... but you'd be amazed at what constitutes sexual assault now..rightly or wrongly..

Just today.. and I know he was absolutely in the wrong for touching her... .. a Guy approached a female news correspondent in the street , tapped her on the backside or lower back and touched the top of her head ..he had absolutely no right to touch her that's absolutely for sure.. but he was arrested and charged with sexual assault...

my point being, if you have even touched a female without her express permission, you could be facing a sexual assault charge...

Scroll down for the video..

Shocking moment TV journalist is groped by man as she reports live

 

[Warrigal]

Struth the Woke brigade soon converted you Salt. So why is it socially accepted that women can touch men because they can't have babies? Hang on, men can now have a uterus implant and have babies but you cannot call parents mother and father and worse an "I have not decided" cannot touch anybody or can they touch everybody?

Weird logic. I don't go around groping men and Hubby doesn't go about groping women. People of all sexes should respect boundaries and show some respect to others.

A woman, especially a young woman, should be able ride on a crowded train without some stranger rubbing up against her or laying hands on her bum. However, in some cities things are so bad that some carriages are designated for women only.

Is it woke to expect to go to work without being physically or verbally harassed by coworkers? If it is, I say let's all go woke and demand better treatment.

 

[Warrigal]

you think you haven't and I absolutely believe you... but you'd be amazed at what constitutes sexual assault now..rightly or wrongly..

Just today.. and I know he was absolutely in the wrong for touching her... .. a Guy approached a female news correspondent in the street , tapped her on the backside or lower back and touched the top of her head ..he had absolutely no right to touch her that's absolutely for sure.. but he was arrested and charged with sexual assault...

my point being, if you have even touched a female without her express permission, you could be facing a sexual assault charge...

Scroll down for the video..

Shocking moment TV journalist is groped by man as she reports live

She was a professional just doing her job. Would it be any different if she were a female police officer doing hers?

 

[Old Salt]

Oh, okay, here the rest of it is for anyone who missed it:

But listening to your (women's) reactions I am starting to change my mind. My daughter is helping with this gradual conversion. I had a heated discussion with her about those so-called sexual "attacks" and she told me: "Dad, you will never understand. You are not a woman!" So this is my promise, I will be a lot more hesitant about making fun of things that, to me, until now seemed harmless!

Sorry I left it out and I do appreciate your efforts to see another side of things. Receiving unasked-for touching from another female is uncomfortable; receiving unasked-for touching from any male other than a toddler is not only uncomfortable, it can be downright scary.

Thank you! And my daughter did correct me on exactly that, unasked for touching! I still scratch my head in some of the cases mentioned in the press but am beginning to see that women see things differently. Took me long enough!

 

[hollydolly]

She was a professional just doing her job. Would it be any different if she were a female police officer doing hers?

no different I'm not saying she was in the wrong....remember this was my job.. I know precisely what is involved in her job.... of course she shouldn't have been touched I made that plain in my previous post. What I was stating was that any man who thinks he has not touched any woman in an Inappropriate manner .. could find themselves very mistaken.. because the charge of sexual assault has become clearly... very ambiguous...

In essence people should not touch anyone unless they're in relationship..

 

[rgp]

Weird logic. I don't go around groping men and Hubby doesn't go about groping women. People of all sexes should respect boundaries and show some respect to others.

A woman, especially a young woman, should be able ride on a crowded train without some stranger rubbing up against her or laying hands on her bum. However, in some cities things are so bad that some carriages are designated for women only.

Is it woke to expect to go to work without being physically or verbally harassed by coworkers? If it is, I say let's all go woke and demand better treatment.

So a guy walks up and touches your shoulder ... maybe elbow to get your attention , and ask you where the bank is ..... and he might be looking at sexual assault ???

You women & the me too movement are getting ridiculous .

It is no wonder that a whole host of men on a morning radio talk show were saying that they refuse to work alone with female fellow employees, for fear of a false accusation . The show host even said he will not go into the supply room, break room, etc. If a lone female is in there .

 

[Warrigal]

So a guy walks up and touches your shoulder ... maybe elbow to get your attention , and ask you where the bank is ..... and he might be looking at sexual assault ???
You know perfectly well that we are not talking about an innocent contact. However, I would much prefer the approach to be "Excuse me," as a way of getting my attention.
You women & the me too movement are getting ridiculous .
There is nothing ridiculous about demanding some respect and to be free of physical molestation.
It is no wonder that a whole host of men on a morning radio talk show were saying that they refuse to work alone with female fellow employees, for fear of a false accusation . The show host even said he will not go into the supply room, break room, etc. If a lone female is in there .
Hmn. Been thinking about their past behaviours and feeling very uncomfortable?

 

[Avon]

As the father of daughters and now the grandfather of grand daughters, I often wish we lived in the times when we right to punch these guys in the mouth. Or get a few cousins, uncles, brothers together and teach the jerk a lesson.

Weird logic. I don't go around groping men and Hubby doesn't go about groping women. People of all sexes should respect boundaries and show some respect to others.

A woman, especially a young woman, should be able ride on a crowded train without some stranger rubbing up against her or laying hands on her bum. However, in some cities things are so bad that some carriages are designated for women only.

Is it woke to expect to go to work without being physically or verbally harassed by coworkers? If it is, I say let's all go woke and demand better treatment.

Weird logic. I don't go around groping men and Hubby doesn't go about groping women. People of all sexes should respect boundaries and show some respect to others.

A woman, especially a young woman, should be able ride on a crowded train without some stranger rubbing up against her or laying hands on her bum. However, in some cities things are so bad that some carriages are designated for women only.

Is it woke to expect to go to work without being physically or verbally harassed by coworkers? If it is, I say let's all go woke and demand better treatment.

They had women only carriages on trains since before I was born and after reading several thousand posts on forums about mainly bloated crap out of all proportion on the same subject it does tend to get a little boring.

 

[Warrigal]

They had women only carriages on trains since before I was born and after reading several thousand posts on forums about mainly bloated crap out of all proportion on the same subject it does tend to get a little boring.

Then tune out. That is what I do when bored.
Listen to some of your favourite music. It does wonders for me.

 

[Avon]

Then tune out. That is what I do when bored.
Listen to some of your favourite music. It does wonders for me.

Don't worry, I am borderline leaving.

 

[Warrigal]

Don't worry, I am borderline leaving.

Mate, I am not the least bit worried about you. I enjoy engaging with everyone on this forum and do not expect everyone to agree with my posts. I would encourage you to consider staying on for a bit longer but if you really want to leave, then do it. It is still a free world regardless of appearances.

 

[Avon]

Mate, I am not the least bit worried about you. I enjoy engaging with everyone on this forum and do not expect everyone to agree with my posts. I would encourage you to consider staying on for a bit longer but if you really want to leave, then do it. It is still a free world regardless of appearances.

Twenty years later, this is water off a ducks back.

 

[rgp]

"You know perfectly well that we are not talking about an innocent contact. However, I would much prefer the approach to be "Excuse me," as a way of getting my attention."

I only know what was typed in here ... I cannot read your mind. And what was entered here sounded like a simple touch might well open a whole can of worms.

"Hmn. Been thinking about their past behaviours and feeling very uncomfortable?"

There ya go again .... assuming they have something in their background to be asshamed of . A negative thought about people you do not know

"There is nothing ridiculous about demanding some respect and to be free of physical molestation."

And as far as respect goes .... I have far less respect for women today than I did when i was a younger man. And it is women like you that have diminished it .

 

[Warrigal]

"You know perfectly well that we are not talking about an innocent contact. However, I would much prefer the approach to be "Excuse me," as a way of getting my attention."

I only know what was typed in here ... I cannot read your mind. And what was entered here sounded like a simple touch might well open a whole can of worms.

My apologies. Allow me to explain. Women do not make a fuss about a simple touch. It all depends where and in what context. If a man offers his hand to help me rise from a chair or his arm if I look a bit wobbly on my feet, the gesture will be welcomed, and I will say thank you. However, other parts of my body are out of bounds. I do not welcome a pat on the derriere from a stranger, much less a pinch.

Similarly, the thighs and breasts of a young woman are not for stroking. Young women are reluctant to complain even about much more serious assaults than these. It is only when they are persistent that they find the courage to speak up. Older women like myself have less tolerance. We have learned that saying nothing changes nothing.

"Hmn. Been thinking about their past behaviours and feeling very uncomfortable?"
There ya go again .... assuming they have something in their background to be ashamed of . A negative thought about people you do not know

I'm fairly confident that men who are as old as I am are fully aware of how in past times being disrespectful to women was a not uncommon mode of behaviour and thought to be just good natured banter. However, it made most women very uncomfortable and inhibited them in public places. Still, they did not complain or make a fuss.
Some men are probably questioning some of their past behaviour after reading this topic. If they are, that is absolutely wonderful. Hopefully they will educate their grandsons.

"There is nothing ridiculous about demanding some respect and to be free of physical molestation."

And as far as respect goes .... I have far less respect for women today than I did when i was a younger man. And it is women like you that have diminished it .

That is most unfortunate. Nevertheless I will continue to express my opinions bravely, knowing that there is a vast ocean between us.

 

[Old Salt]

I know I promised to be good but can nobody see that there is a huge difference between someone stroking a thigh or putting a hand on a knee in deep conversation? Okay, so I am only half-converted, eh? How about a friendly hug (which I did hundreds of times at a church door) or a twenty second mauling? No difference? Really? Not all men, not even most, are lechers! I can't discuss those things with my daughter or she'll stop bringing food!

 

[Old Salt]

In essence people should not touch anyone unless they're in relationship..

Ouch, that hurts because I am a touchy, feely sort of person and never thought anyone might object!

 

[hollydolly]

Ouch, that hurts because I am a touchy, feely sort of person and never thought anyone might object!

well the trouble is OS.. the world has changed... ..but in saying all that I do think men should also have the right if a woman touches HIS back or arm, or any limb or HIS head without permission, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and she should also be charged with a S.exual assault.. trouble with all of this is the world is fast becoming a very hateful place..

 

[hollydolly]

I know I promised to be good but can nobody see that there is a huge difference between someone stroking a thigh or putting a hand on a knee in deep conversation? Okay, so I am only half-converted, eh? How about a friendly hug (which I did hundreds of times at a church door) or a twenty second mauling? No difference? Really? Not all men, not even most, are lechers! I can't discuss those things with my daughter or she'll stop bringing food!

yep definitely a difference IMO.. however I'm old and I was raised like that... but now, people should be moreafraid that they could be accused unfairly..of something criminal, and be safe and keep their hands to themselves unless invited to do otherwise... it's sad but it's the world is now

 

[Jamala]

Men.... I keep saying it... keep your hands to yourself!!!
Women, please do the same.
My son is a doctor... married...and the female doctors
and nurses, do not care. They hit on him.
Many nurses hope to marry a doctor.