Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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Religious ideology, and its differences, have been the cause of millions of lives lost....throughout human history. If there is a "heaven" and "hell". I hope that most of these fanatics will be given a front row seat at the "fire". The primary purpose of religious extremism, IMO, is to wield Power over others.
 
Naturally said:
Go back much further than 2,000 years, a millennium further back, to the story of Ishmael (Islam) and Isaac, sons of Abraham from two different women to find where the hate began.
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Yes, Koran designates Ishmael as the father of all Arabs.
 
Myrtle said:
News sources are saying that Hamas has released 2 American hostages, a mother and daughter, who are now in the custody of the Red Cross.

Apparently they are now in Egypt and will eventually be passed into Israel. The word is that there are still 201 hostages in Hamas hands. No names so far.
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Judith Raanan, left, and her daughter Natalie, 18, after Natalie's recent high school graduation. Undated photo provided by Rabbi Meir Hecht on behalf of the Raanan family (Raanan Family via AP)

Qatar led the negotiations with Hamas that led to the release, a senior diplomatic source told The Times of Israel, adding that the United States also contributed to the effort.

Link: Hamas releases two hostages, American mother and daughter Judith and Natalie Raanan
 
Myrtle said:
Setting aside the politics of the situation, I will ask again, would you be happy to have Palestinian refugees settled in America?
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No. I don’t want the Palestinian Islamic Jihad here in the United States. They are a designated terrorist organization that is supported by the majority of Palestinians in Gaza. The Palestinians in Gaza aren’t some poor hapless people unfairly put upon by Hamas. They elected Hamas to be their government. American Muslims living in the United States certainly aren’t poor hapless people unfairly put upon by Hamas. They sent $12 million to Hamas before the FBI shut down their foundation called the Holy Land Foundation in Richardson, Texas.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2008/november/hlf112508
 
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Not off topic just an addition that I think is relevant.

Oct 17 (Reuters) - U.S. law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell on Tuesday rescinded job offers to law students who signed on to public statements supporting Palestine in the wake of Hamas’ deadly attacks in Israel, following a similar move by fellow law firm Winston & Strawn last week.

Davis Polk's managing partner, Neil Barr, told members of the New York-based firm on Tuesday that it had revoked job offers to three law students in leadership positions at Harvard and Columbia university groups that issued statements regarding to the latest wave of violence in the Middle East, according to an internal email obtained by Reuters.

“These statements are simply contrary to our firm’s values and we thus concluded that rescinding these offers was appropriate in upholding our responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive work environment for all Davis Polk employees,” Barr wrote.

Law firm Davis Polk revokes job offers to Harvard, Columbia students over Israel statements

Free speech wasn't the issue. Free speech does come with consequences. Other similar action taken can be found by Googling

law firms reject law students that support Hamas
 
Any of you worried at the possibility of WW3, with all these miniwars popping up, here and there?

Genuinely, I'm concerned. Aren't you?
 
Knight said:
Not off topic just an addition that I think is relevant.

Oct 17 (Reuters) - U.S. law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell on Tuesday rescinded job offers to law students who signed on to public statements supporting Palestine in the wake of Hamas’ deadly attacks in Israel, following a similar move by fellow law firm Winston & Strawn last week.

Davis Polk's managing partner, Neil Barr, told members of the New York-based firm on Tuesday that it had revoked job offers to three law students in leadership positions at Harvard and Columbia university groups that issued statements regarding to the latest wave of violence in the Middle East, according to an internal email obtained by Reuters.

“These statements are simply contrary to our firm’s values and we thus concluded that rescinding these offers was appropriate in upholding our responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive work environment for all Davis Polk employees,” Barr wrote.

Law firm Davis Polk revokes job offers to Harvard, Columbia students over Israel statements

Free speech wasn't the issue. Free speech does come with consequences. Other similar action taken can be found by Googling

law firms reject law students that support Hamas
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Both Harvard and U Penn have been told by major funding benefactors/ individuals, who are Jewish, that the money will stop immediately . The funding that is being cut off is in the millions of dollars, and the reaction is spreading across the USA. For too long some US University administrators have "looked the other way " and allowed groups of their students to support and fund raise for terrorist groups. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. To use the street jargon, "Screw around and find out what the blowback will be ". JimB.
 
jimintoronto said:
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. To use the street jargon, "Screw around and find out what the blowback will be ". JimB.
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The chickens are coming home to roost?! Jim, I swear sometimes you sound so American! That's something I've heard in PA Dutch country my whole life. @jimintoronto

But anyhow, to stay on topic... re: WWIII. I think it will happen, but like @Knight said, I won't be able to change it, so I'll not let myself fill with anxiety over it. I *will* come clean and say that I'd have a much different answer if my loved ones were of an age to be drafted, I'd fear that they'd start the draft again. My nephew was Special Ops in Afghanistan... 6 or 7 tours... but I don't think he can be called into service again. (Not 100% sure.)
 
CallMeKate said:
The chickens are coming home to roost?! Jim, I swear sometimes you sound so American! That's something I've heard in PA Dutch country my whole life. @jimintoronto

But anyhow, to stay on topic... re: WWIII. I think it will happen, but like @Knight said, I won't be able to change it, so I'll not let myself fill with anxiety over it. I *will* come clean and say that I'd have a much different answer if my loved ones were of an age to be drafted, I'd fear that they'd start the draft again. My nephew was Special Ops in Afghanistan... 6 or 7 tours... but I don't think he can be called into service again. (Not 100% sure.)
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I've seen videos of recent young recruits using their cell phones to order pizza delivery while taking a break during field training....in the field.

Yes, I'm feeling a little anxious.
 
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As far as WWIII ? Worried might not be the best word but ... the thought has crossed my mind.

Look at the world ....

Russia is in Ukraine

Palastine is attacking Isreal

North Korea is a constant threat to [all] [IMO]

China wants to rule the world ... again opinion...

I'm sure I'm forgetting something / someone but .... just the above tells me just how unstable the the globe is.
 
Packerjohn said:
That's because men love war. It's one bunch of bearded barbarians screaming and yelling at the other bunch of bearded barbarians. It's been like this for thousands of years and it will never end.
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It's not just barbarians and not just men. WWII taught the US that there's lots of money to be made in war profiteering. The warmongers wear a civilized facade in 'public service' in Washington, investment firms, companies vying for military contracts. US war is conducted in boardrooms and from political podiums in a much larger degree than screaming and yelling on battlefields.
 
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Packerjohn said:
That's because men love war. It's one bunch of bearded barbarians screaming and yelling at the other bunch of bearded barbarians. It's been like this for thousands of years and it will never end.
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RadishRose said:
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No. I don't think men love war. Some men love a challenge; maybe most men do.

Boys, not so much. And it's mostly boys who are sent to the fight.
 
Devi said:
@rgp — it's in their Koran to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth.
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It is also in the Koran that people of other religions are respected as being "people of the book".

People of the Book or Ahl al-kitāb (Arabic: أهل الكتاب) is an Islamic term referring to followers of those religions which Muslims regard as having been guided by previous revelations, generally in the form of a scripture.[1] In the Quran they are identified as the Jews, the Christians, the Sabians, and—according to some interpretations—the Zoroastrians.[2] Starting from the 8th century, some Muslims also recognized other religious groups such as the Samaritans,[3] and even Buddhists, Hindus, and Jains,[4] as People of the Book.
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Murrmurr said:
I've seen videos of recent young recruits using their cell phones to order pizza delivery while taking a break during field training....in the field.

Yes, I'm feeling a little anxious.
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I just remembered a quote from the novel Those Who Remain by G Michael Hopf:

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times."
 
rgp said:
Yes I knew ... but again what in the world started the hate that long ago ?
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This is only a guess but it could be the result of the diaspora of Jews across the Middle East and Europe during and after the Roman occupation. In Europe they tended to live in exclusive communities and were always seen as intruders. Eventually they were expelled from western countries (England, Spain, France etc) but remained in the east (Germany, Poland, Russia etc) until the 20th century.

In the Middle East Jews and Arabs got along together reasonably well until colonised by European powers. Trouble started during WWI when the colonisers, Britain in particular, made promises to Jews and Arabs that were conflicting. After the Holocaust, the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel came at the expense of the local Arabs. It seemed a good solution at the time but hasn't really brought peace either for the Jews or the Palestinians.

The land known as Palestine was a British Mandate in 1947. This map dates from that time, just before the creation of the state of Israel.



My grasp of history is rather shaky so feel free to set the record straight if I have misrepresented anything.
 
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