For those vaccinated for covid 19, a question.

dilettante said:
It was interesting to watch Drs. Campbell, "Bean," and others evolve on this from the beginning. Going from accepting the doctrine and narrative to skepticism and now to disdain and disappointment.
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Very!

Both Dr. Campbell and Dr. Mobeen were proponents of the new mRna vaccine, and encouraged everyone to accept it as a best-option to protect ourselves and others....until a load of studies were showing alarming findings.

Both still agree that the number of post-vaccine deaths and medical harm can't be compared to the number of deaths caused by the covid infection, but that harm done by the mRna vaccine, especially to young people, is alarming...in some cases, tragic.
 

I have gotten all my Covid vaccines (including the latest a month ago), have never gotten Covid. I've also never had much of a reaction to the vaccines. I got my super duper old people's flu vaccine yesterday and it is kicking my butt today! Achy everywhere, tired, and irritable AF. But it's better than the flu.
 
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I had the original 2 doses of Pfizer, then the next two boosters.

Nobody, including nurses and my doctors, have been pushing for additional boosters or even mentioning them. A year ago my cardiologist unmasked inside the exam room and suggested I do the same. He felt communication was far more important. Though doctrine required masking in the facility, everyone knew masks weren't doing any good. Last visit nobody was masking there at all.
 

OlderThanDirt said:
I have gotten all my Covid vaccines (including the latest a month ago), have never gotten Covid. I've also never had much of a reaction to the vaccines. I got my super duper old people's flu vaccine yesterday and it is kicking my butt today! Achy everywhere, tired, and irritable AF. I'd avoid me if possible. But it's better than the flu.
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I've never had a flu vaccine and have never gotten the flu.

But your reaction to the flu vaccine is not at all uncommon. It isn't an mRna vaccine. Some people have very bad reactions to the mRna vaccine.
 
Buckeye said:
And you waffle again. I'm not judging you, but I can't judge your sources unless you show them to us.

For the record, you have no idea what I've looked into.....
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True, but I know what you haven't looked into...the studies I mentioned.

I'm telling you I am not going to go back and find all those studies and data and findings. I'd have to sift through dozens of lectures and articles I saved and search out a bunch I didn't save. Instead, I listed some of the websites where you can find the articles, studies, and data yourself. If you want to. Or you can probly just use your search engine.

If you don't want to bother, then go ahead and dismiss the whole thing..doesn't matter to me. It just bugs me that you keep insisting these studies don't exist or that I just made them up or whatever.

This is stupid. But, ok...I mean, if you think I'm just talking out the side of my neck...OK. I'm over it.
 
Murrmurr said:
True, but I know what you haven't looked into...the studies I mentioned.

I'm telling you I am not going to go back and find all those studies and data and findings. I'd have to sift through dozens of lectures and articles I saved and search out a bunch I didn't save. Instead, I listed some of the websites where you can find the articles, studies, and data yourself. If you want to. Or you can probly just use your search engine.

If you don't want to bother, then go ahead and dismiss the whole thing..doesn't matter to me. It just bugs me that you keep insisting these studies don't exist or that I just made them up or whatever.

This is stupid. But, ok...I mean, if you think I'm just talking out the side of my neck...OK. I'm over it.
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Well, I'm glad you feel better. But as friendly advice, don't make outrageous claims (and you did) and then expect not to be called out on them. And if these "studies" did exist, you would provide a link, instead of saying it's too much trouble for you, but you expect me and others do it. At this point,, it wouldn't really matter what you posted, since there would be no credibility.

And for the record, no, I do no believe that "In hundreds of thousands of people who were vaccinated, those side-effects ranged from bad to deadly." I'm done here.
 
dilettante said:
It was interesting to watch Drs. Campbell, "Bean," and others evolve on this from the beginning. Going from accepting the doctrine and narrative to skepticism and now to disdain and disappointment.
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Campbell is a nurse w a PHD, therefore a Dr, but NOT a medical Dr. It seems to me that they changed their stance, perhaps to differentiate themselves from others in an effort to make money. These Drs and a very few others have managed to monetize these beliefs. After all when 98%+ of the medical community is telling you one thing the disbelievers need a place to go to hear what they want to hear.
 
Buckeye said:
Well, I'm glad you feel better. But as friendly advice, don't make outrageous claims (and you did) and then expect not to be called out on them. And if these "studies" did exist, you would provide a link, instead of saying it's too much trouble for you, but you expect me and others do it. At this point,, it wouldn't really matter what you posted, since there would be no credibility.

And for the record, no, I do no believe that "In hundreds of thousands of people who were vaccinated, those side-effects ranged from bad to deadly." I'm done here.
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How 'bout I PM you all the lecture videos that discuss all these studies? I'll try to keep it to a minimum of, say 15, but I can't promise you it won't be 30 or more, because I don't remember what studies are on which lectures.

And I should warn you that each one of these videos is at least 45 minutes long, and most of them are an hour and 30 or 40 minutes long, maybe longer, and they aren't time-stamped, so I can't pinpoint exactly where a study and its graphs and data and findings are located within each video, but at least you won't have to google anything or visit any of the 4 or 5 websites I listed....so there's that.

Let me know if that would satisfy you.
 
againstthegrain said:
Campbell is a nurse w a PHD, therefore a Dr, but NOT a medical Dr. It seems to me that they changed their stance, perhaps to differentiate themselves from others in an effort to make money. These Drs and a very few others have managed to monetize these beliefs. After all when 98%+ of the medical community is telling you one thing the disbelievers need a place to go to hear what they want to hear.
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Dr. Campbell is a pHd doctor of medical nursing who changed his stance on the mRna vaccine after reading several studies that showed the harm they can cause.
 
Murrmurr said:
How 'bout I PM you all the lecture videos that discuss all these studies? I'll try to keep it to a minimum of, say 15, but I can't promise you it won't be 30 or more, because I don't remember what studies are on which lectures.

And I should warn you that each one of these videos is at least 45 minutes long, and most of them are an hour and 30 or 40 minutes long, maybe longer, and they aren't time-stamped, so I can't pinpoint exactly where a study and its graphs and data and findings are located within each video, but at least you won't have to google anything or visit any of the 4 or 5 websites I listed....so there's that.

Let me know if that would satisfy you.
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No need - I'm already satisfied. This is your 4th or 5th waffle without any link to any study to support your claim. And, really, I'm done here.
 
Buckeye said:
No need - I'm already satisfied. This is your 4th or 5th waffle without any link to any study to support your claim. And, really, I'm done here.
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Dude.

I posted 3 links to 3 different lecture series that include thorough discussions about these studies and their findings. I posted the names of the journals that published them, named some of the universities that conducted them, and named 3 of the doctors who posted lectures about them.

You ignored all of that.

I am quite satisfied that you have no argument, you're just lazy.
 
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againstthegrain said:
Campbell is a nurse w a PHD, therefore a Dr, but NOT a medical Dr. It seems to me that they changed their stance, perhaps to differentiate themselves from others in an effort to make money. These Drs and a very few others have managed to monetize these beliefs.
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Preposterous and libelous.
 
Murrmurr said:
Dude.

I posted 3 links to 3 different lecture series that include thorough discussions about these studies and their findings. I posted the names of the journals that published them, named some of the universities that conducted them, and named 3 of the doctors who posted lectures about them.y

You ignored all of that.

I am quite satisfied that you have no argument, you're just lazy.
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I think some, or many, have made up their minds on this one way or the other and have no plans on changing their minds no matter how much evidence to the contrary is offered. Hence we have an impasse.
 
I am amazed at what a 'hot button' issue covid 19 vaccination has become. I remember, as a kid, when they promoted polio vaccination at school the first time. There were no mass protests against it. Parents remembered what a scourge it had been in their childhoods.

I think social media is to blame for all the controversy. There's just been too much information (mostly false) passed around as legitimate through social media on the web.
 
Robb.hisself said:
I am amazed at what a 'hot button' issue covid 19 vaccination has become. I remember, as a kid, when they promoted polio vaccination at school the first time. There were no mass protests against it. Parents remembered what a scourge it had been in their childhoods.

I think social media is to blame for all the controversy. There's just been too much information (mostly false) passed around as legitimate through social media on the web.
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Covid 19 is different from polio, we must admit. You have to be tested to know for sure whether or not you even have it. Hmm.
 
well as long as conspiracy theorists exist, there will never be an end to the constant arguments against getting the vaccine. or as to whether or not covid is real. until one of y'all has to sit in a hospital and wait for someone you love to die from covid you will remain in a state of doubt. i'm vaxxed up for the 5th time. not having any weird ass health issues.

haven't gotten covid again. been wearing my kn95 mask all day at work and whenever i go out. i'm managing just fine without the conspiracy theories. i'm sure many others are doing the same. some people may never get covid because of their immune systems being strong but i wouldn't count on that.

if it keeps evolving it may end up affecting those who like to brag that they're never gonna get it. best of luck to y'all. :sneaky:
 
As someone stated, minds are already firmly made up. Why does this topic persist? Who can say? Do whatever your conscience tells you to do.

What I can say is that the world was a much scarier place before we had vaccines. My dad was one of four children. They were comfortably middle class. One sister died as a toddler and another brother was affected by polio the rest of his life. I am certain vaccination would have prevented both those events. Also, my grandfather refused to get a flu shot because he claimed the one time he got it “gave him the flu.” Yes, he later died of complications of the flu, unfortunately. This is anecdotal of course, but powerful.

And finally, ALL vaccines have (rare) adverse events, ALL. It’s a risk/benefit decision.
 
MarciKS said:
well as long as conspiracy theorists exist, there will never be an end to the constant arguments against getting the vaccine. or as to whether or not covid is real. until one of y'all has to sit in a hospital and wait for someone you love to die from covid you will remain in a state of doubt. i'm vaxxed up for the 5th time. not having any weird ass health issues.

haven't gotten covid again. been wearing my kn95 mask all day at work and whenever i go out. i'm managing just fine without the conspiracy theories. i'm sure many others are doing the same. some people may never get covid because of their immune systems being strong but i wouldn't count on that.

if it keeps evolving it may end up affecting those who like to brag that they're never gonna get it. best of luck to y'all. :sneaky:
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Best of luck to you also.
 
chic said:
Covid 19 is different from polio, we must admit. You have to be tested to know for sure whether or not you even have it. Hmm.
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Your reasoning is faulty and your underlying assumptions are completely inaccurate. A brief ggl shows that polio is very much like c19. Here's just a little tidbit of info that directly contradicts your statement. And reading the entire page it is shocking just how alike the 2 diseases are. 95% of people infected w polio show no or mild symptoms, is that a reason not to be vaxxed against polio?



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NYS Dept of Health on Polio
 
againstthegrain said:
Your reasoning is faulty and your underlying assumptions are completely inaccurate. A brief ggl shows that polio is very much like c19. Here's just a little tidbit of info that directly contradicts your statement. And reading the entire page it is shocking just how alike the 2 diseases are. 95% of people infected w polio show no or mild symptoms, is that a reason not to be vaxxed against polio?



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NYS Dept of Health on Polio
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The difference between the polio and covid vaccines is the mRna factor. The covid vaccine creates an immune response using one protein spike from the coronavirus delivered via mRna. The polio vaccine creates an immune response using the polio virus without mRna.
 
againstthegrain said:
95% of people infected w polio show no or mild symptoms, is that a reason not to be vaxxed against polio?
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Yes, it certainly is.
Especially since polio is a condition, not a contagious disease that is caused by a virus.
If people are paralyzed from having high levels of lead in their body, a toxic shot is not going to remedy that condition.
I made a more detailed posting about polio here. <--
And here are several links showing there has never been a valid test for a virus. <--
 
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Robb.hisself said:
I am amazed at what a 'hot button' issue covid 19 vaccination has become. I remember, as a kid, when they promoted polio vaccination at school the first time. There were no mass protests against it. Parents remembered what a scourge it had been in their childhoods.

I think social media is to blame for all the controversy. There's just been too much information (mostly false) passed around as legitimate through social media on the web.
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The controversy is the formula of the covid vaccine. The covid vaccine uses mRna (messenger ribonucleic acid, a single-stranded molecule of RNA that corresponds to the genetic sequence of a gene, and is read by a ribosome for synthesizing a protein) to solicit an immune response in your body.

It's the first mRna vaccine ever. It failed at least 3 medical trials over about 12-or-so years before covid19 hit the US and it was rushed through a final trial. Purportedly, a successful one.

The controversy is the mRna method, specifically.
 
Robb.hisself said:
I am amazed at what a 'hot button' issue covid 19 vaccination has become. I remember, as a kid, when they promoted polio vaccination at school the first time. There were no mass protests against it. Parents remembered what a scourge it had been in their childhoods.

I think social media is to blame for all the controversy. There's just been too much information (mostly false) passed around as legitimate through social media on the web.
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The polio vaccine was a heroic effort to prevent polio.
There is nothing heroic about big pharma today, not to mention big business, government, ngos. I remind you of the infamous lobotomy, China's antifreeze-in-the-toothpaste caper, and their covid antics.
First, Do No Harm: The US Sexually Transmitted Disease Experiments in Guatemala
Just my opinion, please excuse. I am very lonely in my opinions.
 

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