For those vaccinated for covid 19, a question.

I didn't think you could start public school without certain vaccinations? Maybe our generation managed to completely wipe out some of those things we were vaccinated for.
Remember when around 500 million people died of small pox every year? The last person to die of it was in 1978. Thanks to vaccinations.
I get every annual vaccination I can Covid, flu, RSV, shingles.
 

DaveA said:
chic wrote,
- - - - Are you in any way surprised the unvaccinated are still alive?- - - - -

Without this portion of your post, it was reasonable and sensible but - - -"was anyone still alive"???? I would guess that that the world's "overpopulation" problem would be at an end if all those who chose not to have the shots - - --expired !! In the big picture, that would be considered as a benefit to mankind.
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:) No, but you are too kind, sir.
 
I was living with and caring for my 101 year old mom. The choice to be vaccinated seemed more an issue of responsible behavior. Unvaccinated I would be a very real danger to my mom at her age. Responsibility to others seems to be an outmoded idea in this age of 'me first and me only'.
 

Robb.hisself said:
I was living with and caring for my 101 year old mom. The choice to be vaccinated seemed more an issue of responsible behavior. Unvaccinated I would be a very real danger to my mom at her age. Responsibility to others seems to be an outmoded idea in this age of 'me first and me only'.
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That's a very good point, Robb. One reason the unvaccinated are still alive is that so many people got vaccinated the sweep and power of the virus was weakened. No one ever said we would die if we didn't get the shot. The idea with any vaccine is to better our odds.
 
Just plain common sense. All the statistics show an enormous difference in serious illness and death between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Clearly, the vaccine does make a difference, though nothing is 100% guaranteed in this life. But I believe in trying my best to stay alive and healthy as long as possible.

I did get Covid, as nearly everyone did eventually. It was like a mild cold and lasted 2 days, though I did continue testing positive for at least a week after that. I'm pretty sure it would have been a lot worse without the vaccines and the boosters, as I am old. The second vaccine made me sleepy for a day, other than that, no reactions at all. I am getting the third booster in about a week, and am so grateful to have this available to me!

About being surprised that some of the unvaccinated are still alive, why would I be? Of course many people were lucky enough to have natural immunity, or lived like hermits for a year or two, or benefited from other people being vaccinated. And getting the disease is not an automatic death sentence, so there are lots of people who had the disease but are still alive. (Though many are suffering with "long Covid" and now say they wish they had had the shots.) You could probably walk through an epidemic of smallpox or bubonic plague, and somehow manage to stay alive. So what? Look at all the millions who did not stay alive due to those diseases.

Look at it this way: There are some idiots who drive 100 MPH, while drunk, and take all sorts of wild chances cutting off other drivers, etc. Yet, somehow, they are still alive. (Though they may have caused other people to die.) So does that mean that it's perfectly OK to drive that way, and they are just as likely to stay alive and in one piece as the careful, law-abiding driver?
 
Sunny said:
Just plain common sense. All the statistics show an enormous difference in serious illness and death between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Clearly, the vaccine does make a difference, though nothing is 100% guaranteed in this life. But I believe in trying my best to stay alive and healthy as long as possible.

I did get Covid, as nearly everyone did eventually. It was like a mild cold and lasted 2 days, though I did continue testing positive for at least a week after that. I'm pretty sure it would have been a lot worse without the vaccines and the boosters, as I am old. The second vaccine made me sleepy for a day, other than that, no reactions at all. I am getting the third booster in about a week, and am so grateful to have this available to me!

About being surprised that some of the unvaccinated are still alive, why would I be? Of course many people were lucky enough to have natural immunity, or lived like hermits for a year or two, or benefited from other people being vaccinated. And getting the disease is not an automatic death sentence, so there are lots of people who had the disease but are still alive. (Though many are suffering with "long Covid" and now say they wish they had had the shots.) You could probably walk through an epidemic of smallpox or bubonic plague, and somehow manage to stay alive. So what? Look at all the millions who did not stay alive due to those diseases.

Look at it this way: There are some idiots who drive 100 MPH, while drunk, and take all sorts of wild chances cutting off other drivers, etc. Yet, somehow, they are still alive. (Though they may have caused other people to die.) So does that mean that it's perfectly OK to drive that way, and they are just as likely to stay alive and in one piece as the careful, law-abiding driver?
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you're lucky it was only two days. because of my lungs it took months to recover.
 
VaughanJB said:
So you've been lucky. I'm not sure of the point here. We don't all get diseases. It's just like some people smoke and die a horrible early death, while others smoke into their 90's. It's got nothing to do with thinking for yourself, not going to doctors, not using drugs (which I assume you mean prescribed medication) and not watching the news (?!?!) Over a million Americans lost their lives to Covid. You didn't. That's great news, but there's no need for this conspiracy thinking.

Now, you've apparently managed to get through life never needing to go to hospital, never needing a bone fixed, pain relief, or surgery of any kind. I'm happy for you. But it's not the same for eve
Murrmurr said:
The Lancet
VAERS
bioRxiv. org
ahajournals. org
New England Journal of Medicine
ourworldindata. org

It's been so long I don't remember the titles of specific studies and papers. And that's just a partial list. I also read some studies conducted at some medical universities in the US, a few in England, and at least one in Canada. I can only suggest going to the websites and use search words and terms like post-vaccine thrombosis, post-vaccine myocarditis, post-vaccine DVT, mRna spike protein in vital organs, mRna vaccine adverse events, and so on
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Murrmurr said:
The Lancet
VAERS
bioRxiv. org
ahajournals. org
New England Journal of Medicine
ourworldindata. org

It's been so long I don't remember the titles of specific studies and papers. And that's just a partial list. I also read some studies conducted at some medical universities in the US, a few in England, and at least one in Canada. I can only suggest going to the websites and use search words and terms like post-vaccine thrombosis, post-vaccine myocarditis, post-vaccine DVT, mRna spike protein in vital organs, mRna vaccine adverse events, and so on.
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Showed me the peer reviewed papers that state that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of folks have died from these vaccines, which was your initial claim. You won't because they don't exist. I come from a community and family of scientists and I can assure you that you are mistaken. Believe me, I've done the research and it doesn't involve random google searches on websites. You have been sadly mislead. I feel sorry for you.
 
Daisy99 said:
As far as I know, I still haven’t had COVID. If I did, it was so mild I just thought it was allergies. 🤷‍♀️
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And long may it continue, Daisy.

If I need a loan, I got to a banker. If I need my car fixed, I go to a mechanic. If I need medical advice, I go to a doctor. Simple.

Everyone's an armchair something these days. Armed with a degree from Google, we're all experts in everything. Amazing!
 
Randomized control trials, peer reviewed, published in first-tier journals are the gold standard. That is what one should be looking at. Pre-prints are not even close. Also, I always question research done at state sponsored universities in countries with totalitarian/authoritarian regimes. They need to please their masters or else the career is over. Finally, reading ****posts on social media is not “research.”
 
OlderThanDirt said:
Showed me the peer reviewed papers that state that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of folks have died from these vaccines, which was your initial claim. You won't because they don't exist. I come from a community and family of scientists and I can assure you that you are mistaken. Believe me, I've done the research and it doesn't involve random google searches on websites. You have been sadly mislead. I feel sorry for you.
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I didn't save them, so you'll have to go to the websites and online journals I listed and use their search tool, not google's...that'll get you bupkis.

The studies are there, all peer reviewed and everything. If you don't want to believe me, that's ok. Nothing I can do about that.
 
EmptyCup said:
Randomized control trials, peer reviewed, published in first-tier journals are the gold standard. That is what one should be looking at. Pre-prints are not even close. Also, I always question research done at state sponsored universities in countries with totalitarian/authoritarian regimes. They need to please their masters or else the career is over. Finally, reading ****posts on social media is not “research.”
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Exactly. It's also important to know how to evaluate a study. Not all studies are created equal.
 
OlderThanDirt said:
..... Not all studies are created equal.
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That's true. And that's why they're peer reviewed. If other researchers replicate your study in a peer review, and they and don't see the same results as you, it's possible proof you did something wrong in your study. Maybe a mistake with your math, maybe your control was compromised, maybe you were comparing oranges to apples, or just maybe you intentionally (or subconsciously) made sure you got the results you wanted.
 
There is NO vaccine that is 100% safe. Period. Never has been and possibly never will be (and I hope that someday I'll be proven wrong on that last phrase).

But they have saved many lives, and prevented crippling disabilities. The good outweighs the bad, and the risk to the general public, specifically those most vulnerable health-wise, leans towards vaccination whenever possible.

We starting going in for flu vaccines in our 50's, because one year Spouse got vaccinated but I didn't. We both caught a flu bug, one which was not a type the vaccine shot was developed for (flu shots cover 4 viruses at most, but there are over 2,000 influenza virus types). He was sick for less than a week. I was sick for almost 3 weeks.

Yeah, imagine that? Scientists are right. Even if the vaccine shot isn't specifically for a type of flu virus, the protection helps boost your immune system against MOST flu viruses.

So we got the COVID shot (the original Delta strain). As I've posted before, we have family with young children who were not authorized yet for the shot, and two friends who are struggling with Stage 4 cancer and have NO immune system.

Scientists did an excellent job considering that this was an infectious, little-known coronavirus (which is not anything like, nor related to, influenza viruses) with unknown characteristics. It took much time before "Long COVID" was able to be recognized and efforts to identify what it is, precisely, are ongoing - it has different characteristics for different people, altho some symptoms are recognizable.

So we continue to get boosters, since the newer variants are more infectious but fortunately, not as deadly. Still, don't forget that "less deadly" doesn't mean "NOT at all deadly". Influenza, for example, remains one of the greatest killers globally - over 400,000 people died in 2022 from seasonal flu bugs.

I garden, too. You bet I get a tetanus shot and boosters when I need them. Also shingles vaxx - boy, is shingles painful! And the usual MMR booster. I do not want to be responsible for giving a pregnant woman Rubella because I'm scared of a needle in the arm.
 
chic said:
What made you decide to get vaccinated with the covid 19 vaccine? No one knew much about it even in 2021 the year of rollout.
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To set the stage, I'm in excellent health, have naturally great blood chemistry and blood pressure numbers (typically 105/70 ish), no chronic diseases or health conditions. I got Covid in Dec 2020 and it put me in bed for a week and had to take lung meds for another 12 weeks. It was months before I felt fully well.

I have no interest in revisiting that experience and had every available Covid vaccine when it was offered, including the most recent one. DH & I just had the RSV vaccine to help protect ourselves, our toddler grandson and his brother who's due in March, as well as a close friend who's a transplant recipient. Also had the flu vaccine.

As the daughter of a scientist, I know that good scientists are among the very few on this planet who admit when they went down a blind alley or came to a faulty conclusion. They follow where the constantly refined research leads. I'm neither a virologist or epidemiologist, and therefore rely on folks who are tops in those fields.

Covid was a brand new enemy. As often happens during the fog of war, mistakes were made and there were instances of under or overreach.

It's easy three years hence to say that schools shouldn't have closed but we can't ever know how many staff, teachers and students' family members would have succumbed to Covid had the US not closed schools and most businesses. In January 2021, some 3500 Americans were dying every day from Covid. Terrifying numbers.

So yeah, I get vaccinated. I can deal with a sore arm and feeling a little wonky for 24 hours.

Some photos from the Covid ICU ward where my RN nephew worked. He said Covid ICU patients were on at least 6-8 continuous drip medications. The PPE he and his coworkers wore. How quickly we forget.

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chic said:
What made you decide to get vaccinated with the covid 19 vaccine? No one knew much about it even in 2021 the year of rollout.

Was it for a health issue? Did you have a job that required vaccination? Would you have been prohibited from travel ? Would you have had to separate from people/groups that you liked? Other? Please share.

Have you received booster shots? How many boosters have you received? How many more will you take?

Are you in any way surprised the unvaccinated are still alive?

Thanks for your participation.
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Fear. Just plain fear of death and severe illness. I trusted in medicine and science to bring us through.
 
Murrmurr said:
I didn't save them, so you'll have to go to the websites and online journals I listed and use their search tool, not google's...that'll get you bupkis.

The studies are there, all peer reviewed and everything. If you don't want to believe me, that's ok. Nothing I can do about that.
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lol - so you made a claim about research showing hundreds of thousands being seriously ill or dying, but when asked to give us a valid source for that claim, you waffle. Sorry, it's not my job to support your claim. As my old football coach used to say "put up or shut up". :)
 
Buckeye said:
lol - so you made a claim about research showing hundreds of thousands being seriously ill or dying, but when asked to give us a valid source for that claim, you waffle. Sorry, it's not my job to support your claim. As my old football coach used to say "put up or shut up". :)
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I wasn't waffling, there are just way too many sources to name individually. But I did name the sites that published the studies I was talking about.

If you're really interested, these links might help:

This link is to a doctor (and teacher) of nursing named Dr. John Campbell who posts lectures and lessons for nursing students on YouTube. During the pandemic (late 2019 to early 2023) has also posted videos on covid, the mRna vaccine, ICU treatments and all that, and he included various scientific studies...

https://www.youtube.com/@Campbellteaching

Another one is Dr Mobeen Syed, a doctor of immunology who posts medical lectures on YouTube and who also posted a ton of studies during the pandemic...

https://www.youtube.com/@DrBeenMedicalLectures

And yet another is Dr. Keith Moran, whose channel is called Medicine with Dr. Moran. He discusses various new studies as well....

https://www.youtube.com/@MedicinewithDrMoran

If I were to re-watch the last 2 to 3 years of video lectures by 3 different doctors and lecturers to find the studies I was talking about and compile them in a list of references and sources, it would have taken me weeks. Instead, I listed the sites where most of the original studies were published. I may have missed one or two, but 98% of those studies reference other studies that are relative.

If you go to the websites I mentioned, you will find the studies, you just have to enter the key words in the website's search bar.

If you don't want to bother, or you'd rather simply dismiss the findings I talked about, no sweat.
 
Murrmurr said:
I wasn't waffling, there are just way too many sources to name individually. But I did name the sites that published the studies I was talking about.

If you're really interested, these links might help:

This link is to a doctor (and teacher) of nursing named Dr. John Campbell who posts lectures and lessons for nursing students on YouTube. During the pandemic (late 2019 to early 2023) has also posted videos on covid, the mRna vaccine, ICU treatments and all that, and he included various scientific studies...

https://www.youtube.com/@Campbellteaching

Another one is Dr Mobeen Syed, a doctor of immunology who posts medical lectures on YouTube and who also posted a ton of studies during the pandemic...

https://www.youtube.com/@DrBeenMedicalLectures

And yet another is Dr. Keith Moran, whose channel is called Medicine with Dr. Moran. He discusses various new studies as well....

https://www.youtube.com/@MedicinewithDrMoran

If I were to re-watch the last 2 to 3 years of video lectures by 3 different doctors and lecturers to find the studies I was talking about and compile them in a list of references and sources, it would have taken me weeks. Instead, I listed the sites where most of the original studies were published. I may have missed one or two, but 98% of those studies reference other studies that are relative.

If you go to the websites I mentioned, you will find the studies, you just have to enter the key words in the website's search bar.

If you don't want to bother, or you'd rather simply dismiss the findings I talked about, no sweat.
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lol - so your response is a bunch of youtube videos? Now, that's funny. So basically, you got nothing. No need to respond further.

Have a nice day.
 
It was interesting to watch Drs. Campbell, "Bean," and others evolve on this from the beginning. Going from accepting the doctrine and narrative to skepticism and now to disdain and disappointment.
 

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