Real hard to care about that when babies are kidnapped, little kids come back underweight because their kidnappers didn't feed them!It seems to me that some people don't care about that Nathan!
Israeli October 7 posterchild was killed by Israeli tank, eyewitnesses reveal
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Debrah N.
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I think the best response to a question like that is to listen to an IDF combat soldier talking about what he did....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&list=PLEX3S6ZFSv1TFi84X4mv5gH2CJ2pvyaBa&index=9
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Have you done anything to stop your fellow Muslims from killing children? During my lifetime, Muslims have killed one million children and raped hundreds of thousands of women.
Bangladesh's watershed war crimes moment
Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia
Bangladesh finally confronts war crimes 40 years on
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Debrah N.
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Killing any children is a horror show and it's not just the radical muslims who are doing that. After all, 7000 children have died in Gaza just this last month. I was listening to a UK doctor who specializes in the kinds of injuries that happen in war. He was in Gaza for several weeks, trying to help and he talked about the terrible things that are going on there. I'm sure he amputated limbs from some of those 7000....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl8d4Li5A7Q&list=PLEX3S6ZFSv1TFi84X4mv5gH2CJ2pvyaBa&index=39&t=100s
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I don't think those acts of violence are being ignored so much as there's nothing that we can do about it and it happens even in our own communities. Maybe it's more like a pained acceptance that some men use it as an act of control. On the other hand, how many of our communities are being blown to rubble, or children losing their limbs at a rate of 6 victims a day or large groups of people being taken hostage? Those atrocities are 'unusual', thus are talked about.
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Why does everyone forget that Israel told those living in Gaza to get out... leave now... even told them where the safe areas were to go. Gave plenty of time... get out, get out! Get your children to these protected areas we're telling you about! But their own "leaders" did not allow them to leave. THEY killed those children by forcing them to stay... darn cowards... hide behind the children as shields to use deaths as future propaganda! I'm thinking that when someone has a certain mindset, pesky little things like the truth don't really matter, eh?
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According to the U.N. website, rape is now a war crime. Several of the TV news I've seen mention female hostages returning from Gaza will be examined at the hospital for rapes, and rape testimony will be documented. In the war crimes trials for Bangladesh, rape was one of the war crimes charged. The Muslim Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan along with other Muslim groups committed over two hundred thousand rapes.
Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia
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The people of Gaza have nowhere to go. And right after they told them to leave the north, the refugee camps where many of them made it to, were likewise bombed. And the people of Gaza can't even leave by watercraft because if they travel something like 20 miles out, Israeli gunboats shoot them out there.
And Kate, truth isn't always what you think it is. Propaganda is playing a massive part in that situation and has for 70 years. I'm pretty sure that if you're family and community was being treated like the Palestinian people have been for decades, you'd be just as frightened and angry as they are.
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15 years ago I had pretty much the same attitude as most people. But then a Palestinian MP walked out on a speech being given in the Knesset, by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and that piqued my curiosity and I began learning about why he would do that. After a great deal of reading, I finally began to understand his perspective and that of the Palestinian people.
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Have YOU done anything to stop your fellow Caucasians from killing and raping Black women & girls? If not, then STFU!
And some have even killed their own people who they refer to as N**** lovers?! As an American, you'd do good to research that history! I'm glad I have enough sense that I don't judge all White people because of the small percent who do heinous deeds.
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Jesse Ventura: Ceasefire In Gaza NOW
Former Governor and Navy Seal explains his view of the war.Debrah N.
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I want to just go on the record now, because some here might think that I don't care about the Israeli people who were kidnapped or killed, simply because I suggested an opposing opinion about the Palestinian people. I most certainly do care, it should not have happened to them or their families or their communities. October 7th was a horrible day in their lives and absolutely no one should have to live or die like that. We're supposed to be living and loving and experiencing joy in our lives no matter who we are. Whether it's First Nations, black people, Jewish people, Palestinians, Uyghers or white people.....in the famous words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along!"
So, no, you have not done anything stop your fellow Muslims from killing children.Have YOU done anything to stop your fellow Caucasians from killing and raping Black women & girls? If not, then STFU!
And some have even killed their own people who they refer to as N**** lovers?! As an American, you'd do good to research that history! I'm glad I have enough sense that I don't judge all White people because of the small percent who do heinous deeds.
And as for your claim about white folks raping blacks, here's some FBI data that was presented in another forum:
White on Black interracial rape is typically between 0 and 10 per year, whereas Black on White rape is usually in the 10,000 to 40,000 range per year. Thus 99% of interracial rape in public is Black on White. In prison, 99% of male on male rape is Black on White.
The year 2003 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black:0
Black on White: 20,309
Black on Black: 21,104
The year 2004 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 11,610
Black on Black: 35,330
The year 2005 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black : 0
Black on White: 37,460
Black on Black: 36, 620
The year 2006 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 32, 443
Black on Black: 7,705
The year 2007 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 14,092
Black on Black: 12,780
The year 2008 – Rape/Sexual Assault
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 19,292
Black on Black: 34,841
Total over six consecutive years:
White on Black: 0
Black on White: 135,206
Black on Black: 148,380
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Have YOU done anything to stop your fellow Caucasians from killing and raping Black women & girls? If not, then STFU!
And some have even killed their own people who they refer to as N**** lovers?! As an American, you'd do good to research that history! I'm glad I have enough sense that I don't judge all White people because of the small percent who do heinous deeds.
Very important insight. Thanks "don't judge all _______ people because of the small percent who do heinous deeds."
So how do you think Israel should respond to the Oct 7 terrorist attacks, remembering that the elimination of Israel and the killing of all Jews is The core value of Hamas and most, if not all, other Palestinians? What would be your response to someone who broke into your home and murdered your love ones?
There is no neutral position in this war. You either support Israel's right to exist, or, by default, you support Hama's right to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel.
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First: You haven't gone back nearly far enough. I'm talking about since my people were kidnapped, brought over here, families torn apart, then sold like chattle. Why do you think we come in so many different shades?
Secondly, that NO White men were guilty of raping Black women & girls in the years you cited is BS. It's more likely their crimes weren't reported or were swept under the rug.
And third, I don't know any murderers and am not anywhere near where the terrorist groups are located, so how would I be able to stop them? You're so big & bad...can you stop them?
Well, First, you asked the other poster what they had done to stop white on black rape. Fact is, white on black rape is virtually nonexistent today. I have no idea how to stop things that happened 300 years ago. Maybe you should tell us why so many black men are raping white women today, and tell us what you are going to do about.
Second, dismissing the data because it doesn't fit your narrative is an intellectually lazy thing to do. If you believe it is wrong, take it up with the FBI, or at least provide data from a different source that supports what you claim.
And third, you could talk to your religious leader about putting pressure on Hamas/Palestinians to stop what they are doing. Grass roots and all that. But if you are happy doing nothing, then that's on you.
STFU indeed...
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You know I've thought about that and it seems to me that it would have been better if they wanted to get rid of Hamas and not destroy Gaza and kill 17,000 people, why not do it like a city or state would if say Los Angeles was over run with a gang. Like would the governor of California decide to have the federal government send in bombers and the military with tanks or would they spend years if necessary, doing undercover work, infiltrations of gangs, that sort of thing?
And I don't agree that you either support Israel or you support Hamas. I know that makes it a very simple choice for some people, but this isn't a simple situation when you factor in the decades of oppression and abuse that is also involved.
So, based on your comment, you do NOT support Israel's right to exist, correct? Hamas/Palestine have sworn to kill all the Jews and eradicate Israel, and you support that effort. From the River to the Sea....
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Another thing that should happen which would make Israel safer is for that government to start working towards a two state solution. Instead, in the West Bank where people have tried to hold real peace marches, the IDF have met them with violence and arms. They could start also, to protect Palestinians from attacks and killings by the settlers in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem. And quit taking Palestinian homes away from them, only to give those homes to new Jewish immigrants. Those things would go a long way towards calming the situation.
I just heard a few days ago, that South Africa (who really know about apartheid) have cut off relations with Israel and Ireland's government as well as some in Spains and Belgium's government are extremely harsh about what Israel's government is and has been doing.
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No, I do believe Israel has a right to exist there. And 'from the river to the sea' doesn't necessarily mean kill all the Israeli's. For some it might mean that, but it can also mean, 'give the Palestinian people safety and the right to live their lives as they choose in a nation of their own'. They are the indigenous people of that area just like FN people are in Canada.
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I don't know if any of the folks here have ever heard of Miko Peled. He's a Jewish activist who has been fighting for the Palestinian people for years. Born in Israel, he's outspoken and wonderfully articulate and has a rather unique perspective on the issue. I just came across a video of him speaking to a Veterans for Peace convention in the USA.
. His father was a general during the 1967 war where Israel fought against neighbouring Arab nations.
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Well first of all, welcome to SF. I see you joined... late last night? Anyhow, for all the research you claim to have done, have you actually read the Hamas Covenant of 1988? Hamas WILL NOT ALLOW a two-state solution. Article 13 is quite clear and states:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
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I actually haven't read the document but I have heard of it. I would counter with the point that Yasser Arafat signed his name, as the official leader of the PLO backing 1997 (?) on the Oslo Accord, that Israel had a right to exist there in safety and peace....... He along with Shimon Peres and Yitzahk Rabin were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for that 'awakening' by the way.
My point is, that while some would agree to what Hamas has stated there, not all do. And I think at this point, given a choice between living in peace and safety in their own state or fighting a losing, non stop battle to just survive among the ruins, the majority of Palestinians would go with peace and safety in a two state situation. So I think it's worth starting real work that peace because what the Israeli government has been doing has obviously failed to keep the Israeli citizens safe.