Israeli October 7 posterchild was killed by Israeli tank, eyewitnesses reveal

... and if anyone has a question about Israel's position on Jerusalem ... whether it is or should be Christian or Muslim, the video I posted earlier explains the Israeli position, among many other things ...

 

Hamas ran on a “kill-all-Jews” platform preceding its 2006 election victory. Hamas’ 1988 charter contained anti-Semitic statements such as, "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious," and this charter remained in place ahead of the 2006 elections.

Palestinians were fed up with corruption among Fatah leadership. When they chose Hamas, it was arguably more because of the corruption and failure of the Palestinian Authority and Fatah than because of religion or terrorism. Hamas capitalized on widespread discontent with years of Fatah corruption and ineffectiveness. Hamas and their anti-Semitic charter was voted in.

Palestinian territories have not had an election since 2006, for (at least) four reasons:

- Other countries such as the U.S. rejected Hamas' 2006 election victory, deepening political tensions in Gaza and the West Bank. The international community wants Hamas to recognize Israel, denounce violence, and commit to the Oslo Accords, which Hamas cannot or will not do explicitly or put to a vote.

- President of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, who controls Fatah in the West Bank has a fear of losing elections again. They (Fatah) do not want to lose again. Elections in Palestinian territories are quite embarrassing for Fatah and exacerbate existing internal divisions.

- It might be said, the Israeli government's intervention has "fractured Palestinian national movements." Perhaps the Israelis want to foster divisions between the two regions, Gaza and the West Bank, and do not want unified Palestinian leadership.

- A Palestinian legislative election was set to take place in May 2021, but Abbas postponed it indefinitely, citing Israel's refusal to include East Jerusalem in the elections. Israel’s refusal to let people in East Jerusalem vote in the planned election gave Abbas (Fatah) an excuse to not allow elections that year. So it was a Palestinian decision not have another vote. And that helped Fatah avoid another loss.

In June of 2023 this year, a poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) revealed that if an election were held at that time, Hamas would likely win 56% of the vote to Abbas’ (Fatah) 33%. Apparently 11% were unsure. The survey also found a majority of Palestinians supported the formation of armed groups independent of the Palestinian Authority (Fatah in the West Bank) ... thus Hamas.

I won't clutter the post with various links that came from active and engaged research available to everyone on the Internet.
And in 2006, Israel 'supported' the election of Hamas because apparently they thought they could control them as they sought to prevent the Palestinian Authority from gaining strength. But all that is in the past (yes I know, it brings us up to the current) and in the years leading up to now, has Israel, the power in the region, done anything to encourage a move towards peace on the Palestinians side. I would argue the answer to that is no.

When villages in the W. Bank held peace marches every Friday over a period of ten years, they were met with violence and bullets. Where Palestinians are worshipping in Al Aqsa, they were met with abuse by settlers and IDF. Noted Canadian Jordan Peterson wanted photos in Al Aqsa, worshippers were kicked out for his benefit and no respect for their 'rights', Palestinians are still being evicted from their homes in Jerusalem so that 'foreigners' can have a place to live when they arrive on Birthright......the list of failures to entice 'peace' is long. If peace is desired by Israel, why no 'carrots' when Palestinians step up?

I think it's safe to say that if any of our countries were being treated like that, there would be a noticeable lack of sympathy for our oppressors so holding their anger against them as though it justifies 15,000 dead civilians and the ruination of their homes and economy is patently unfair. It's like saying the French Resistance during WW2 should have just settled down and smiled peacefully while their nation was being overrun.
 
It's like saying the French Resistance during WW2 should have just settled down and smiled peacefully while their nation was being overrun.

You truly like strawman arguments doncha.
What if Alberta citizens elected Hamas and Hamas tried to control ALL of Canada through terror ... and Canadian forces tried to eradicate those citizens of Alberta who were terrorists? By your argument, that would be patently unfair.
Have a nice day ~~~
 

Al Jazeera posts blurred doll, claims it to be a dead Palestinian baby
Article has also been posted on MSN.com. Just do a search for the article title.
I found the link to the article on Drudge Report. Article posted just today Dec 1st.


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Al Jazeera has published on X footage of an emotional man holding a ‘baby’ with a blurred face wrapped in white.

However, social media users quickly shared footage of the ‘baby’ without the blurred edits shared by the News source, revealing it to be only a doll.

“He was born and martyred during the war...a month-and-a-half-old baby was martyred in the hands of his mother, after an Israeli bombing targeted the family home in the Al-Mughraqa area, south of the city,” Al Jazeera wrote alongside the doctored footage.

It is unclear if Al Jazeera had edited the footage themselves in an attempt to deliberately mislead the public or if they had shared the footage without properly researching the background. However, despite numerous people contacting the site about the falsified footage, the X post has remained published.

The X post has garnered over 17,000 views but only reposted 56 times.

While this footage could not be located on Al Jazeera’s Arabic website, other footage was found with adults crying over the death of dolls.

AND IN FURTHER NEWS ...
The OP of this thread cited a report published on "The Grayzone". Identified as an American fringe, far-left news website and blog, founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal. Blumenthal is an American author and blogger and has contributed to Al Jazeera. I'm not saying the thread OP is completely fictitious. I have no idea, as I payed little attention to the post. I don't read fake news websites like The Grayzone as identified by Wikipedia.
 
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Google is your friend. It's not Islamic. Just look it up and know that I agree with her. Certain people make you want to lash out. Do you fit into that category? Hold up a mirror.
I looked it up and know that I feel exactly the same way about you.
Yep, the words aren't Islamic, but the usage could be down at the mosque I suppose, but most tell me it's mostly gutter or ghetto speak.
 
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"Hamas terrorists branded Israeli children hostages in case they escaped, relative says"​

" "They told us stories about what they went through inside Gaza. The stories are horrible," Yaniv Yaakov said in North Macedonia with Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen. "Each child that was taken by Hamas was taken on a motorbike, and they took every child, took his leg and put it on the exhaust of that motorbike, so they have a burn, so they will be marked if they run, if they escape, so [Hamas] can find them."

He added, "They were drugged, they were treated so badly, but at least they are with us." "
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-terrorists-branded-israeli-children-141342612.html
 
"The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) estimates that there are 159 hostages still in Gaza out of about 240 taken on October 7, including children and women. Hamas claims that it can no longer find additional women and children, some of whom were given to other terrorist groups."
There’s been almost no mention on American tv about the Palestinian Islamic Jihad who is the other terrorist group supported by Gaza Palestinians and they also took hostages when they breached the border wall along with Hamas.

These hostages are on Israel’s list of hostages that Israel wants returned. There was brief mention on a national tv network this week that Hamas can’t find the other hostages who are being held by “another group”. For some reason the tv networks can’t say the words “Palestinian Islamic Jihad” and they can never say the word “Muslim”.
 
There’s been almost no mention on American tv about the Palestinian Islamic Jihad who is the other terrorist group supported by Gaza Palestinians and they also took hostages when they breached the border wall along with Hamas.

These hostages are on Israel’s list of hostages that Israel wants returned. There was brief mention on a national tv network this week that Hamas can’t find the other hostages who are being held by “another group”. For some reason the tv networks can’t say the words “Palestinian Islamic Jihad” and they can never say the word “Muslim”.
I'm afraid we won't ever see these hostages again. Is this another way for Hamas to avoid having to admit these hostages died while either being held by them either from either abuse, torture or just downright murdered? Is "being held by another group" a euphemism for being sold into slavery?
 
I looked it up and know that I feel exactly the same way about you.
Yep, the words aren't Islamic, but the usage could be down at the mosque I suppose, but most tell me it's mostly gutter or ghetto speak.
Considering the way you've reacted to my past posts I already know that and I am actually honored. Not too much different than the responses you've given to others you don't agree with. It's your problem, not mine.

You also seem to marginalize men (even gay men?). Again, look in the mirror, try to figure it all out and don't forget that you have a digital footprint.

Is it "PC", or common curtesy?????????

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Considering the way you've reacted to my past posts I already know that and I am actually honored. Not too much different than the responses you've given to others you don't agree with. It's your problem, not mine.

You also seem to marginalize men (even gay men?). Again, look in the mirror, try to figure it all out and don't forget that you have a digital footprint.
I’m not aware of reacting to any of your past posts nor do I care about them. And your posts now certainly aren’t worth trying to figure out. As far as you playing the gay card, I didn’t know you were gay until I looked at your profile today. Why don’t you look in the mirror yourself if you can stand to.
 
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I’m not aware of reacting to any of your past posts nor do I care about them. And your posts now certainly aren’t worth trying to figure out. As far as you playing the gay card, I didn’t know you were gay until I looked at your profile today. Why don’t you look in the mirror yourself if you can stand to.
What I see is that we have a couple of posters on here who, when their posts are challenged and they have no meaningful response, try to hide behind "personal attack" or something similar. So, I just keep that in mind when I read posts like the one you were responding to.

YMMV
 
Al Jazeera posts blurred doll, claims it to be a dead Palestinian baby
Article has also been posted on MSN.com. Just do a search for the article title.
I found the link to the article on Drudge Report. Article posted just today Dec 1st.


AA1kQXNH.img


Al Jazeera has published on X footage of an emotional man holding a ‘baby’ with a blurred face wrapped in white.

However, social media users quickly shared footage of the ‘baby’ without the blurred edits shared by the News source, revealing it to be only a doll.

“He was born and martyred during the war...a month-and-a-half-old baby was martyred in the hands of his mother, after an Israeli bombing targeted the family home in the Al-Mughraqa area, south of the city,” Al Jazeera wrote alongside the doctored footage.

It is unclear if Al Jazeera had edited the footage themselves in an attempt to deliberately mislead the public or if they had shared the footage without properly researching the background. However, despite numerous people contacting the site about the falsified footage, the X post has remained published.

The X post has garnered over 17,000 views but only reposted 56 times.

While this footage could not be located on Al Jazeera’s Arabic website, other footage was found with adults crying over the death of dolls.

AND IN FURTHER NEWS ...
The OP of this thread cited a report published on "The Grayzone". Identified as an American fringe, far-left news website and blog, founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal. Blumenthal is an American author and blogger and has contributed to Al Jazeera. I'm not saying the thread OP is completely fictitious. I have no idea, as I payed little attention to the post. I don't read fake news websites like The Grayzone as identified by Wikipedia.
The baby was real.

Israel's Jerusalem Post retracts article claiming dead Palestinian baby was 'a doll'
 
I can accept this because when I saw that picture, I absolutely "knew" that was a dead baby. There's a certain "look"... but we're talking about terrorists and we all know by now what they did on 07 Oct. Does anyone *truly* think they wouldn't kill a baby to use as propaganda?! And wouldn't that be naive to believe what they claim since they already slaughtered so many of Israel's babies? I think the question should not be "is that a real baby" but rather "what *happened* to that precious little soul?" :cry: No way I'm going to accept what a terrorist organization says happened!
 
I find your discussion of children abhorrent. Children believe what their parents tell them is true. Children behave in ways to please their parents. It's enough Israeli children were murdered on Oct. 7 which began this, which you attempt to ignore. Don't murder them further. Lay off the children.
 
I find your discussion of children abhorrent. Children believe what their parents tell them is true. Children behave in ways to please their parents. It's enough Israeli children were murdered on Oct. 7 which began this, which you attempt to ignore. Don't murder them further. Lay off the children.
I agree 100%. But, the truth is the lies about the atrocities committed by Hamas against children has been exaggerated to proportions to elicit outrage. Why use children? To elicit sympathy and outrage and then violence against the monsters that did it. The beheading rumor led a campaign to annihilate every Palestinian. It is the Zionist propaganda machine to have support for the war.
Unfortunately children are the innocent victims of war...every war and we hear about it all the time. It is often used for moral outrage against the enemy. Sorry, but always true.

I believe you were addressing me, I hope not, because it is a very low blow and totally untrue. Plus it is ad hominem! You want to fight too?
 
I agree 100%. But, the truth is the lies about the atrocities committed by Hamas against children has been exaggerated to proportions to elicit outrage. Why use children? To elicit sympathy and outrage and then violence against the monsters that did it. The beheading rumor led a campaign to annihilate every Palestinian. It is the Zionist propaganda machine to have support for the war.
Unfortunately children are the innocent victims of war...every war and we hear about it all the time. It is often used for moral outrage against the enemy. Sorry, but always true.
So you choose to believe Hamas and not the Israelis. Israel needs to release every second of the video shot by Hamas on October 7th and people like you should be forced to watch it.
 
So you choose to believe Hamas and not the Israelis. Israel needs to release every second of the video shot by Hamas on October 7th and people like you should be forced to watch it.
I don't believe any of it. I have seen most all of the horrible atrocities committed on both sides. This war is being fought on social media. No one is winning the "who is the worse group". If anything Israel is losing the PR battle now that they are ridding the south of every living Palestinian.
 
I don't believe any of it. I have seen most all of the horrible atrocities committed on both sides. This war is being fought on social media. No one is winning the "who is the worse group". If anything Israel is losing the PR battle now that they are ridding the south of every living Palestinian.
lol - of course you do. It is clear that you believe whatever Hamas says. Otherwise you would not deny the truth of what Israel says.
 
I agree 100%. But, the truth is the lies about the atrocities committed by Hamas against children has been exaggerated to proportions to elicit outrage. Why use children? To elicit sympathy and outrage and then violence against the monsters that did it. The beheading rumor led a campaign to annihilate every Palestinian. It is the Zionist propaganda machine to have support for the war.
Unfortunately children are the innocent victims of war...every war and we hear about it all the time. It is often used for moral outrage against the enemy. Sorry, but always true.

I believe you were addressing me, I hope not, because it is a very low blow and totally untrue. Plus it is ad hominem! You want to fight too?
lol - You've kinda worn out that "ad hominem" card. It is not a personal attack when someone points out the fallacies in your posts.
 


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