Truth is Hamas started this war and Israel will try to totally finish it!
Israeli October 7 posterchild was killed by Israeli tank, eyewitnesses reveal
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Debrah N.
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And that will more dead and there will still not be peace. Do you have any thoughts on how the Palestinian people are treated on a daily basis?
The Palestinian people could stop the war themselves, all they have to do is stop Hamas.
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If they'd want to... not so sure they do. This from 2.5 years ago... I've heard that the percentage that support Hamas is considerably higher now, but I'd have to remember/look for that source.
Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas
So... Palestinians for the most part support a terrorist organization and want them there. And so many bleeding hearts just don't grasp the implications of that.
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Interesting read from a Canadian publication. My disclaimer is that I'm not familiar with the publication or any right/left leanings it may have.
Does Hamas represent Palestinians? - National | Globalnews.ca
Does Hamas represent Palestinians? - National | Globalnews.ca
I'd trust it.
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Once Israel has neutralized the threat of Muslim jihadists breaching its border to kill its children, and men and women, it likely won’t be a global threat to other countries.
However, the on-going Muslim jihad killing spree is a global threat. Other countries have dealt with it in different ways. Israel bombed them into the ground, China responded to its Muslim attack by rounding up all Muslims and putting them in a re-education camp, Bangladesh conducted a war crimes tribunal to prosecute the Pakistani Muslims who raped, tortured, and killed 3 million of their children, men and women, the United States conducted an ill fated war in Afghanistan after the 9/11 Muslim attack, and Nigeria hasn’t done anything about the Boko Haram Muslim men who kidnapped over 276 young girls from a girls school in Nigeria and raped them and killed part of them and are still holding 98 captive.
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TabbyAnn
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When you don’t a answer a question about yourself. but go on the attack asking questions of others, that’s called deflection in psychology terms.Have YOU done anything to stop your fellow Caucasians from killing and raping Black women & girls? If not, then STFU!
And some have even killed their own people who they refer to as N**** lovers?! As an American, you'd do good to research that history! I'm glad I have enough sense that I don't judge all White people because of the small percent who do heinous deeds.
But, as far as myself goes, what I’ve done is not join or support religions like Islam or Caucasian groups that do the things you mentioned above. Right now a black Muslim group called Boko Haram in Nigeria is holding 98 young black girls they’ve captured and raped, and they killed others.
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I am in no way against Israelis, but there are two sides to every story. The Israelis should be able to live in peace without horrendous attacks from terrorist organizations like Hamas. But "Palestinians" and "Hamas" are two different things. For those who cavalierly say Palestinians themselves should get rid of Hamas, here are some facts.
The population growth rate is among the highest in the world: 3.4 percent in the West Bank and 4.0 percent in Gaza, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates. A full 45 percent of the West Bank population are children under 15 years of age, compared with 50 percent in Gaza.
How are those 15 and under expected to oust Hamas?
Also, the last election in Palestine was held in 2006. Who has had the chance to vote out Hamas?
The last elections for the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) were held on 25 January 2006. There have not been any elections either for president or for the legislature since these two elections.
Sorry, but I'm just so tired of seeing opinions that have no basis in facts.
Lastly, if anyone has a conscience, read this. Please feel free to reply that this is the "cost of war".
4,237 Palestinian children killed as Gaza becomes “graveyard for children” Ramallah, November 7, 2023—Israeli forces have killed twice as many Palestinian children in Gaza over the past month than the total number of Palestinian children killed in the West Bank and Gaza combined since 1967.
The population growth rate is among the highest in the world: 3.4 percent in the West Bank and 4.0 percent in Gaza, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates. A full 45 percent of the West Bank population are children under 15 years of age, compared with 50 percent in Gaza.
How are those 15 and under expected to oust Hamas?
Also, the last election in Palestine was held in 2006. Who has had the chance to vote out Hamas?
The last elections for the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) were held on 25 January 2006. There have not been any elections either for president or for the legislature since these two elections.
Sorry, but I'm just so tired of seeing opinions that have no basis in facts.
Lastly, if anyone has a conscience, read this. Please feel free to reply that this is the "cost of war".
4,237 Palestinian children killed as Gaza becomes “graveyard for children” Ramallah, November 7, 2023—Israeli forces have killed twice as many Palestinian children in Gaza over the past month than the total number of Palestinian children killed in the West Bank and Gaza combined since 1967.
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TabbyAnn
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Is it hate speech when you call someone ignorant, hateful and Islamophobic like One-Eyed Diva does?
I don’t understand her language she uses either. What does STFU mean?
I don’t understand her language she uses either. What does STFU mean?
Google is your friend. It's not Islamic. Just look it up and know that I agree with her. Certain people make you want to lash out. Do you fit into that category? Hold up a mirror.
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:49 PM (GMT+2)
Sinwar: October 7 was 'just a rehearsal'
“The leaders of the occupation should know, October 7 was just a rehearsal,” Sinwar threatened in his first public address since the massacre today (Thursday), Maariv reported.'
Sinwar: October 7 was 'just a rehearsal'
Hamas' Gaza leader threatens to repeat atrocities of October 7 in first public address since the massacre.
Yahya Sinwar, the leader of the Hamas terrorist organization in Gaza and one of the masterminds of the October 7 massacre, boasted that the murder of over 1,200 people in southern Israel and the taking of 240 hostages was "just a rehearsal."“The leaders of the occupation should know, October 7 was just a rehearsal,” Sinwar threatened in his first public address since the massacre today (Thursday), Maariv reported.'
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"The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) estimates that there are 159 hostages still in Gaza out of about 240 taken on October 7, including children and women. Hamas claims that it can no longer find additional women and children, some of whom were given to other terrorist groups."
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So, ponder this while you are supporting Hamas/Palestinians....
CallMeKate
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This means that terrorist monster escaped! Last I heard (and probably mentioned here) was that they had Sinwar trapped in a bunker. I wonder if this actually surprises anyone? It's their end goal after all.
When I saw her being kidnapped, I already saw death in her face. I am mourning this woman and her two "REDS"
I mourn this girl and her grandma, among the first hostages killed. I want to know why. I want to know how they died. The girl was autistic. Was she too hard to manage? What happened?
jimintoronto
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Tabby Ann. STFU means......Shut The F**K UP. Ghetto speak for shut YOUR mouth. Does that give you a better idea of where she is coming from ? JimB.
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"Given to other terrorist groups " That MAY mean that the hostages have been moved out of Gaza, possibly to Lebanon to be held by Hezbolah there. Or they are all ready dead. Jimb.
Debrah N.
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You're right on all those instances. But it's not right to paint all the Palestinian people with the Hamas brush. I go back to my example of LA being over run by gangs, or maybe Mexico by drug cartels.....would Western governments do the same to those cities/states/ as has been done to Gaza. I even watched as Piers Morgan challenged an Israeli government official, would they do the same if Hamas was hiding under Israeli communities. The official said no.
How many new Hamas members is Israel creating with all this?
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Palestinians created Hamas. Hamas is Palestinians. Hamas is hiding behind Palestinian civilian "skirts" including children, hospitals, schools.
Israel is firing until there is no longer a threat, in order to protect Israeli citizens from vile evil that will only come out when it can sneak attack and then run and hide behind "skirts".
How many Hamas have Palestinians eliminated may be the better question.
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How many of your government officials have any of us 'eliminated'? I'm sure that each of us have one or two or a handful that we don't like. Hamas as far as I know, haven't allowed any further elections, so suggesting that civilians 'eliminate' is maybe not that fair. And for the sake of my original comparison, we don't even have governments that really abuse us.
And for the record, I just watched the news and they were talking about Israel knowing for a year now, that an attack of this nature was being planned. I also heard a couple weeks ago that IDF surveiller's saw that there was dangerous activity going on at the wall for months and they were ignored. That is written about in The Times of Israel. So the question becomes, is the Israeli government really doing the right thing?
Reading through the article, it's a scathing indictment of that government. And now with the New York Times revelation! https://www.timesofisrael.com/surve...ivity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/.
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Don't really want to go off on a tangent with your strawman argument but will say that options would be wide open to that possibility if there were an actual domestic war. Other than that ... we eliminate them with our vote, or at least I attempt to ... at this point in peaceful times
As part of its strategy to mitigate criticism over the high civilian death toll, the Israeli military on Friday morning published a map online dividing the 140-square-mile Gaza Strip into hundreds of blocks.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it would announce the number of each block before targeting as a way to alert people in those areas to evacuate.
Not sure how effective this strategy is to attaining a goal of totally destroying Hamas. The moment you announce what block or blocks you're bombing, Hamas is obviously going to evacuate that area. At some point Israel is going to have to devise a mechanism to accurately separate the wheat from the chaff. Sounds like an impossibility.
By Palestinian inaction to remove Hamas at this critical juncture, I've reached the conclusion most adults (and many youth) living in Palestine are either Hamas or support them. They have made their choice. They made that choice of their own free will in 2005 and that is their choice today.
Debrah N.
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Strawman argument? More like a question regarding the feasibility of your suggestion of Palestinians eliminating Hamas, given the temperament and activities of Hamas's 'government'. Of course WE eliminate with our vote, but WE live in functional democracies. Not the case in Gaza where Hamas hasn't allowed any further elections since 2006.Don't really want to go off on a tangent with your strawman argument but will say that options would be wide open to that possibility if there were an actual domestic war. Other than that ... we eliminate them with our vote, or at least I attempt to ... at this point in peaceful times
As part of its strategy to mitigate criticism over the high civilian death toll, the Israeli military on Friday morning published a map online dividing the 140-square-mile Gaza Strip into hundreds of blocks.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it would announce the number of each block before targeting as a way to alert people in those areas to evacuate.
Not sure how effective this strategy is to attaining a goal of totally destroying Hamas. The moment you announce what block or blocks you're bombing, Hamas is obviously going to evacuate that area. At some point Israel is going to have to devise a mechanism to accurately separate the wheat from the chaff. Sounds like an impossibility.
By Palestinian inaction to remove Hamas at this critical juncture, I've reached the conclusion most adults (and many youth) living in Palestine are either Hamas or support them. They have made their choice. They made that choice of their own free will in 2005 and that is their choice today.
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Hamas ran on a “kill-all-Jews” platform preceding its 2006 election victory. Hamas’ 1988 charter contained anti-Semitic statements such as, "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious," and this charter remained in place ahead of the 2006 elections.
Palestinians were fed up with corruption among Fatah leadership. When they chose Hamas, it was arguably more because of the corruption and failure of the Palestinian Authority and Fatah than because of religion or terrorism. Hamas capitalized on widespread discontent with years of Fatah corruption and ineffectiveness. Hamas and their anti-Semitic charter was voted in.
Palestinian territories have not had an election since 2006, for (at least) four reasons:
- Other countries such as the U.S. rejected Hamas' 2006 election victory, deepening political tensions in Gaza and the West Bank. The international community wants Hamas to recognize Israel, denounce violence, and commit to the Oslo Accords, which Hamas cannot or will not do explicitly or put to a vote.
- President of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, who controls Fatah in the West Bank has a fear of losing elections again. They (Fatah) do not want to lose again. Elections in Palestinian territories are quite embarrassing for Fatah and exacerbate existing internal divisions.
- It might be said, the Israeli government's intervention has "fractured Palestinian national movements." Perhaps the Israelis want to foster divisions between the two regions, Gaza and the West Bank, and do not want unified Palestinian leadership.
- A Palestinian legislative election was set to take place in May 2021, but Abbas postponed it indefinitely, citing Israel's refusal to include East Jerusalem in the elections. Israel’s refusal to let people in East Jerusalem vote in the planned election gave Abbas (Fatah) an excuse to not allow elections that year. So it was a Palestinian decision not have another vote. And that helped Fatah avoid another loss.
In June of 2023 this year, a poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) revealed that if an election were held at that time, Hamas would likely win 56% of the vote to Abbas’ (Fatah) 33%. Apparently 11% were unsure. The survey also found a majority of Palestinians supported the formation of armed groups independent of the Palestinian Authority (Fatah in the West Bank) ... thus Hamas.
I won't clutter the post with various links that came from active and engaged research available to everyone on the Internet.
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