Politically speaking What are you, what am I?

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Robusta

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I always thought of my self as a moderate. I then started at a forum where it soon became obvious that I was a liberal,now that I am over here,I feel like a conservative.
So what am I?
I think that abortion is a womans right.
I think that the borders should be sealed tight as a drum and illegal crossings should be treated as the crime that it is. Conversely I think that if you hire an undocumented immigrant your business should have massive crippling fines levied against it and the principals and officers be charged with criminal offenses.
I think that the death penalty is a useful and necessary sentence. Some people just need killing. However death penalty should be meted out only when the criminal has been found guilty beyond ANY doubt,not when the criminal has been convicted on the word of a deal made by the prosecutor
I believe that business are not people and that before a charter to conduct business is granted that they must commit to the civil good and not just the stockholder good.
I believe that health care is a human right and the US should have a single payer system.
I think that drugs should be decriminalized and addiction problems arising from use should be treated in the mental health arena.
I think that criminal acts committed under the influence of drugs or in the act of obtaining drugs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
I am a strong believer in the second amendment. As a citizen of the United States I should be able to own carry and use any firearm I please.
I believe that with an awesome right like the 2nd,comes awesome responsibility. I should bear full responsibility for my weapons. That means no accidents no accidental discharges, no keeping a loaded weapon in my night stand or in an automobile. If I am out of my house the weapon must be on my person or in a very secure properly designed safe.
If my weapon is stolen in a casual theft, there needs to be a criminal charge levied against me.
I believe that the US needs to become more small "s "socialist in order to progress. I believe fraud commited against the social afety net we have in place needs to be prosecuted with out fail,no matter how petty the offense. If you want the public dollar you must open your life to scrutiny and accept whatever counseling or training is recommended.

So you tell me am I liberal or conservative,or just totally screwed up?
 

I am very much like you, I don't fit any one profile. i agree with some things on the right and agree with some things on the left. I have taken those quizzes that tell you what you are and I always come out Libertarian but I don't think that's me either.

maybe we should start our own Party...demopublican or republicrat.
 

Labels aren't all that useful IMO.
Politically I am left of centre but that statement means different things in different countries.
We all believe that we are moderates so that term is rather meaningless.

To keep the conversation going I'm going to answer each of your assertions with one of my own. I hope this is not offensive to you.

I think that abortion is a woman's right.
This is one right I am glad that I have never had to fall back on. I think that safe, affordable contraception and education about sexual health are rights that all women need, especially poor women.
I think that the borders should be sealed tight as a drum and illegal crossings should be treated as the crime that it is. Conversely I think that if you hire an undocumented immigrant your business should have massive crippling fines levied against it and the principals and officers be charged with criminal offenses.
I hate what our government does to asylum seekers.
I think that the death penalty is a useful and necessary sentence. Some people just need killing. However death penalty should be meted out only when the criminal has been found guilty beyond ANY doubt,not when the criminal has been convicted on the word of a deal made by the prosecutor
I am against state sanctioned murder.
I believe that business are not people and that before a charter to conduct business is granted that they must commit to the civil good and not just the stockholder good.
Corporations don't bleed. They are not people. Corporations needs to be answerable to the people.
I believe that health care is a human right and the US should have a single payer system.
A wealthy society that does not provide necessary health care for all is a society without a heart. They are several different ways to achieve this goal.
I think that drugs should be decriminalized and addiction problems arising from use should be treated in the mental health arena.
Not sure about the first part but agree with the second. Traders in dangerous drugs still need to be prosecuted IMO.
I think that criminal acts committed under the influence of drugs or in the act of obtaining drugs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
If this means mandatory sentencing, I'm against this. I believe in judicial discretion in sentencing.
I am a strong believer in the second amendment. As a citizen of the United States I should be able to own carry and use any firearm I please.
As an Australian I regard this situation, this mind set, as lunacy. Most Aussies agree with me.
I believe that with an awesome right like the 2nd,comes awesome responsibility. I should bear full responsibility for my weapons. That means no accidents no accidental discharges, no keeping a loaded weapon in my night stand or in an automobile. If I am out of my house the weapon must be on my person or in a very secure properly designed safe.
Here we are in full agreement. Some people need to own/carry a firearm but it is a heavy responsibility.
If my weapon is stolen in a casual theft, there needs to be a criminal charge levied against me.
I believe that if a child is able to access your firearm and a child is shot or killed then you should be fully accountable for the outcome. In the case of a theft, there may be extenuating circumstances.
I believe that the US needs to become more small "s "socialist in order to progress. I believe fraud commited against the social afety net we have in place needs to be prosecuted with out fail,no matter how petty the offense. If you want the public dollar you must open your life to scrutiny and accept whatever counseling or training is recommended.
Our welfare system is well targeted through means testing and the government does check to make sure welfare fraud where it happens is exposed and prosecuted. It isn't as big a problem as people suppose.
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Does this help the conversation?
 
I do not think that labels mean a lot. I know how I feel on most issues. I believe in personal responsibility. I can not bring myself to vote republican in the national election. I do tend to vote republican in the state elections. Remember that NY as liberal as it is, all republicans are all considered RINO's. (Meaning reasonable and amenable to compromise.)
I find mainly that the scales have tipped way to far into the Capitalist side of the ledger. Working within the system is futile,and I participate in the electoral process knowing full well,that with the exception of the most local of politics,that I am doing nothing but swallowing the pablum that I have been fed since birth.
 
Robusta, I am not certain what label, if any, would fit you. I applaud your search for personal integrity through independent thought. It is never easy to face off against the lemmings. Bravo.
 
I am me, I will not debate on here about such thing...from reading many of the threads I differ on most issues...... other than I am retired and enjoy talking about what I choose to comment on.....I will leave it at that....politics and religion I will talk to you all day in person but on here lets just agree to disagree....
 
Robusta said:
I always thought of my self as a moderate. I then started at a forum where it soon became obvious that I was a liberal,now that I am over here,I feel like a conservative.
So what am I?
I think that abortion is a womans right.
AGREE

I think that the borders should be sealed tight as a drum and illegal crossings should be treated as the crime that it is. Conversely I think that if you hire an undocumented immigrant your business should have massive crippling fines levied against it and the principals and officers be charged with criminal offenses.
AGREE

I think that the death penalty is a useful and necessary sentence. Some people just need killing. However death penalty should be meted out only when the criminal has been found guilty beyond ANY doubt,not when the criminal has been convicted on the word of a deal made by the prosecutor
AGREE

I believe that business are not people and that before a charter to conduct business is granted that they must commit to the civil good and not just the stockholder good.
Corporations are not people, money is not speech. Corporations exist because of people and should be good stewards
.
I believe that health care is a human right and the US should have a single payer system.
AGREE

I think that drugs should be decriminalized and addiction problems arising from use should be treated in the mental health arena.
I agree Marijuana should be decriminalized not all drugs.. ALL addiction should be treated in both the medical and mental health arenas

I think that criminal acts committed under the influence of drugs or in the act of obtaining drugs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
Not any more or any less than any other criminal act

I am a strong believer in the second amendment. As a citizen of the United States I should be able to own carry and use any firearm I please.
Home protection and hunting only. However I believe assault weapons and high volume clips should be illegal

I believe that with an awesome right like the 2nd,comes awesome responsibility. I should bear full responsibility for my weapons. That means no accidents no accidental discharges, no keeping a loaded weapon in my night stand or in an automobile. If I am out of my house the weapon must be on my person or in a very secure properly designed safe.
I agree with keeping a weapon safe, however, I do not agree with the conceal and carry laws.

If my weapon is stolen in a casual theft, there needs to be a criminal charge levied against me.
AGREE

I believe that the US needs to become more small "s "socialist in order to progress. I believe fraud commited against the social afety net we have in place needs to be prosecuted with out fail,no matter how petty the offense. If you want the public dollar you must open your life to scrutiny and accept whatever counseling or training is recommended.
AGREE up to a point.. Poor shaming and drug testing in order to get assistance should not be done. Unless all people applying for any safety net, including Medicare and Social Security are drug tested and denied if positive.


So you tell me am I liberal or conservative,or just totally screwed up?
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You are pretty much a liberal
 
I agree with you on many of your points and disagree on some as well. Let me understand your 2nd amendment position a little better? Are you for or opposed to strict regulation of gun ownership, licensing, background checks, gun competency courses and tests? Should any place of business, education, entertainment, religious practice be able to bar people carrying guns?
 
I do have a problem with the second. Up front right now, I am a firearm owner, I am a firearm user and a CC Permit holder. I hunt, small, big, and, varmit. Like every other boy in my family,and circle of acquaintances, I was gifted or inherited a .22 on my tenth birthday. Store bought meat was never on our table,any meat we had was either shot or raised on the farm. The only time I ever associated a gun with violence was at the matinees my "rich" aunt used too take us to Saturday afternoons.
I never carry unless headed to do some shooting. I don't frequent places that are dangerous nor am I a pimp or drug dealer, ducking from a rival,I just don't see the need,and I don't want the extra layer of caution required.
I was investigated more thoroughly for my New York State Pistol Permit than I was for my DoD security clearances.
I don't know the answer, register the gun, just like an auto. Title it maintain a chain of ownership just like an auto has. Restrict legal use of that firarm to the owner and directy supervised guests. Unless there is reason for a person not to own a fire arm there should be no restriction,get your ferderal background check wait your waiting period and your good to go.
We then would need to strictly enfoce the gun laws that already exist.

Just as an aside, Here in the US when an armed crime is committed the weapons charges are almost always discarded in the plea bargain phase. This practice must stop.
 
I'm pro death penalty with irrefutable evidence and DNA.. I'm even for some government surveillance in hunting out Terrorist activity.. even if they do hear my phone call to the dog groomer. I'm for gun ownership for home protection and hunting.. and NO ONE can call be a Republican...
 
Anyone here who liked the thought of the death penalty and gun owning would automatically be thought to be on the 'right'in politics, but it doesn't transfer to US politics, I see.No wonder I had a hard job working out what was happening in The West Wing !
 
oakapple said:
Anyone here who liked the thought of the death penalty and gun owning would automatically be thought to be on the 'right'in politics, but it doesn't transfer to US politics, I see.No wonder I had a hard job working out what was happening in The West Wing !
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You're doin just fine OA. You care more than a lot of our citizens.
 
Here in Canada, even centrists are anti death penalty. Only hard Core conservatives harbour secret fantasies of a return to capital punishment.lol. Never happen. We are a peaceful people, but when roused, implacable.
 
Very liberal. I vote Democrat in the US. Used to vote Labour in the UK but in recent election voted SNP - Scottish National Party.
 
Ha! and I remember when all the Righties were going to move to Canada if Obama was elected! Wonder how they like it there!
 

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