Four-year-old boy joins school as a girl

I agree that sexualised behaviour in young children can be an indicator of sexual abuse but not necessarily. As a former teacher, although of high school students, I would still rather the child not be exposed in the tabloids.

We had several occurrences of sexual abuse that we knew of. One was a girl whose mother was using her as a lure to bring men into the home. The girl, no more than 13 years old, began to display overt sexual behaviour to the school bus driver, who alerted the school. We dealt with the matter with the utmost discretion.

The other situation was when we were introducing a program called Protective Behaviours. We did this because it became known that the principal of one of our feeder schools had been molesting very young girls in his office. The program did not allow for open disclosure in the classroom but it was obvious to me that one girl had been molested because her eyes filled up with tears when the program moved from bullying and domestic violence to sexual abuse. I checked her address and sure enough, she was a student at the school where the perp was the principal.

I alerted our principal who alerted the school counsellor. After that the girl was offered support but I was no longer privy to any outcomes. As it should be.
 
Warrigal said:
I agree that sexualised behaviour in young children can be an indicator of sexual abuse but not necessarily.
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I have pretty strong views about sexuality, which I won't post here because I know where that would go............ But I'd also be very very wary of internet medics diagnosing based on their degree from the university of Google. All we really know about this situation are a couple of tabloidish stories in the daily rags. Yet look at how many people are ready to have the child committed and the parents shot. :D

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - young children aren't delicate flowers. They can cope with a lot. Seeing the *******s of the opposite sex won't destroy them. Hell, if you grew up in a family with brothers and sisters......

fuzzybuddy said:
It's hard not to think that what's between your legs determines what sex you think you are. It doesn't. It's akin to having a mouth does not mean you can speak in languages. It's what is in the brain.
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This is where words become very important. I don't believe you should have used the word "sex" here. Whether one is male or female is a question of chromosomes. That said, 99.9% of the time this is physically indicated by ones *******ia. In the vast majority of cases, what's "between the legs" does indeed mean you're male or female.

By saying, "it's what is in the brain" is also fuzzy talk, imo. You mean some physical or chemical aspect of the brain, or ideas and thoughts? Either way, sex is ultimately determined by chromosomes, and not anything to do with the brain as such.

Of course, none of that means a man can't choose to live as a woman, or a woman live as a man. But that's a whole other question.
 
@VaughanJB
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again - young children aren't delicate flowers. They can cope with a lot. Seeing the *******s of the opposite sex won't destroy them. Hell, if you grew up in a family with brothers and sisters......"
I didn't have brothers, but as a little girl I always enjoyed seeing my little male friends peeing in the gutter, while I had to go sit somewhere. It didn't kill me.......au contraire.
 
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@VaughanJB
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again - young children aren't delicate flowers. They can cope with a lot. Seeing the *******s of the opposite sex won't destroy them. Hell, if you grew up in a family with brothers and sisters......"
I didn't have brothers, but as a little girl I always enjoyed seeing my little male friends peeing in the gutter, while I had to go sit somewhere. It didn't kill me.......au contraire.
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Girls seeing boys g-e-n-e-t-a-l-i-a isn’t going to traumatize them. I’m sure most of them have seen one before. What would be startling , is being with , what may have been a potential girlfriend , to some guy wanting to play with his willy for kicks.

This kid probably rules the parents and anyone else in the house. In ten years this kid could show up in another newspaper as a school mass murderer and everyone will say they didn’t see it coming. Sorry, but I see nothing normal about this and I ‘had’ brothers.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
Girls seeing boys g-e-n-e-t-a-l-i-a isn’t going to traumatize them. I’m sure most of them have seen one before. What would be startling , is being with , what may have been a potential girlfriend , to some guy wanting to play with his willy for kicks.

This kid probably rules the parents and anyone else in the house. In ten years this kid could show up in another newspaper as a school mass murderer and everyone will say they didn’t see it coming. Sorry, but I see nothing normal about this and I ‘had’ brothers.
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For the record, I'm NOT saying I'm happy about any of this. In fact, my personal view on the entire issuer would likely surprise some. But it is what it is, and we don't control others. Too often these days I'm sensing people are being presented with learning opportunities, and instead of taking that route they get outraged. The world is moving in a strange direction.
 
VaughanJB said:
For the record, I'm NOT saying I'm happy about any of this. In fact, my personal view on the entire issuer would likely surprise some. But it is what it is, and we don't control others. Too often these days I'm sensing people are being presented with learning opportunities, and instead of taking that route they get outraged. The world is moving in a strange direction.
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Well I’m not outraged with any of this. My answers are due to being abused at a very early age. Abused children act out. I could be wrong. I hope I am wrong.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
Well I’m not outraged with any of this. My answers are due to being abused at a very early age. Abused children act out. I could be wrong. I hope I am wrong.
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I don't see anyone being abused here, other than arguably the boy in question. But we've entered a time where conversations like this have become important to people. We all celebrate our personal freedoms, so we have to accept when people use that to justify horrible decisions.
 
VaughanJB said:
I don't see anyone being abused here, other than arguably the boy in question. But we've entered a time where conversations like this have become important to people. We all celebrate our personal freedoms, so we have to accept when people use that to justify horrible decisions.
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I’m not saying that any abuse happened. I’m saying that kids that show off their *******ia at an early age in life have often been abused. They project inappropriate behaviour. I’m just saying there a chance the boy might be getting abused.
 
Buckeye said:
The debate about sex vs gender will go on forever, and nothing said on here will change a single mind. But this is a 4 year old. Four. He or she needs help and I hope it is forthcoming. God Bless that child.
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I wonder why? Both terms have been definitively defined, and they mean different things. I see it as a simple mis-direction.
 
When I was 4 years old my demented grandmother loved to see me walk in her high heels. I actually have a picture of me walking down our driveway in high heels.

I was an effeminate kid but then there were no options in those days, and I'm very happy to be male. That said, I am perfectly fine with people who choose to transition as adults.
 
Pepper said:
I wish I was warned this was from Daily Mail..as usual, my computer was taken over by their damn site. Now my screen size is huge, and I can't get it back to normal. I don't know how DM always takes over my computer, but it always does.
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When I opened the article, it said The Telegraph. I don't see Daily Mail anywhere. Are they affiliated? I do remember seeing Daily Mail on some of the articles I've read but it never commandeered my computer. Pressing Escape doesn't work?
 
VaughanJB said:
By saying, "it's what is in the brain" is also fuzzy talk, imo. You mean some physical or chemical aspect of the brain, or ideas and thoughts? Either way, sex is ultimately determined by chromosomes, and not anything to do with the brain as such.
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Gender Dysphoria: A Review Investigating the Relationship Between Genetic Influences and Brain Development
Well according to the National Library of Medicine, the perception that gender identity is only, all about chromosomes or how our bodies are formed, isn't actually the whole story and the brain is definitely involved in how we perceive ourselves.

'It is known that the brains of males and females are different. Evidence further suggests that brain anatomy and neuronal signaling pathways are more closely aligned with a person’s perceived gender identity. Individuals who present with discordant gonadal and brain developments experience psychological challenges that may contribute to a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with their biological sex. These point to a possible biological and genetic underpinning of GD as stemming from a discordance between gonadal and brain development........'

'.....Exploring the biochemical development of the *******ia highlights the differences between males and females, notably how testosterone elicits the pathways of male development in an embryo. When research has been conducted in people with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition where the testosterone receptor is mutated and faulty, and thus cannot function, gender dysphoria is observed as the body is genetically male but anatomically female.

It is known that the structure of male and female brains differs; it is found that people with gender dysphoria have a brain structure more comparable to the gender to which they identify. The review of the literature suggests that there is a disparity between the brains of those who identify differently to their assigned gender at birth, highlighting a multifactorial underpinning of the gender identity. Further research is required to shed light on the molecular mechanism of this, ........'

I think we just have to accept that we each perceive ourselves based on a complicated mix of what our hormones and our brains tell us, in spite of how we look. And while there may be 'best' processes of development that result in strictly male/female brain and body combinations that are perfect for continuation of the species, our bodies are such complicated systems that it's completely 'normal' that sometimes things don't work out as we would expect.

Being transgender isn't a case of 'giving the world and world religions the finger and I just want to rebel against societies norms', but a quest for feeling 'right' about themselves.
 
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Debrah N. said:
Gender Dysphoria: A Review Investigating the Relationship Between Genetic Influences and Brain Development
Well according to the National Library of Medicine, the perception that gender identity is only, all about chromosomes or how our bodies are formed, isn't actually the whole story and the brain is definitely involved in how we perceive ourselves.

'It is known that the brains of males and females are different. Evidence further suggests that brain anatomy and neuronal signaling pathways are more closely aligned with a person’s perceived gender identity. Individuals who present with discordant gonadal and brain developments experience psychological challenges that may contribute to a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with their biological sex. These point to a possible biological and genetic underpinning of GD as stemming from a discordance between gonadal and brain development........'

'.....Exploring the biochemical development of the *******ia highlights the differences between males and females, notably how testosterone elicits the pathways of male development in an embryo. When research has been conducted in people with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition where the testosterone receptor is mutated and faulty, and thus cannot function, gender dysphoria is observed as the body is genetically male but anatomically female.

It is known that the structure of male and female brains differs; it is found that people with gender dysphoria have a brain structure more comparable to the gender to which they identify. The review of the literature suggests that there is a disparity between the brains of those who identify differently to their assigned gender at birth, highlighting a multifactorial underpinning of the gender identity. Further research is required to shed light on the molecular mechanism of this, ........'

I think we just have to accept that we each perceive ourselves based on a complicated mix of what our hormones and our brains tell us, in spite of how we look. And while there may be 'best' processes of development that result in strictly male/female brain and body combinations that are perfect for continuation of the species, our bodies are such complicated systems that it's completely 'normal' that sometimes things don't work out as we would expect.

Being transgender isn't a case of 'giving the world and world religions the finger and I just want to rebel against societies norms', but a quest for feeling 'right' about themselves.
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This is true, but there is one point that should not be missed.
Quote: "She said the trans-identifying child had been “flashing their willy” at the girls. He is believed to have told them in the toilets about “dark spirits that will suck their souls out” and said it is a “deep secret” that “she” is actually a boy, but they mustn’t tell anybody."

The boy displayed his 'willy'. No, absolutely no child who has gender dysphoria would display the gen....s. They are embarrassed and even abhorred by them. I know from the literature children who have gender dysphoria. Among them was a boy of four years who tried to cut off his p...s with a scissor. So, in my opinion the parents are the only ones who are fixated on the thought that their boy wants to be a girl. Perhaps one or both of the parents have similar feelings. Often parents use their children to fulfil in them what they wanted to do themselves but never had. The boy should be taken out of the class and visit a class with only male children as a boy.
 
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VaughanJB said:
I wonder why? Both terms have been definitively defined, and they mean different things. I see it as a simple mis-direction.
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Right. They are different things. Your language has the terms 's.x' (biological) and 'gend.r'(social). In my language there is only one word 'Geschlecht' with the biological meaning, i.e. male or female. The social meaning, i.e. what one thinks of oneself is not encompassed. For this reason we have lots of confusion. Nevertheless the term 'transgender'is used for a couple of years too.
 
There was a mother of a kid in my school who wanted her son to be a girl, and a baby girl at that. She would come to school at lunch time and cut up his meat for him. He was in 4th grade!! She let his hair get long, and painted his nails. I have no doubt the parents of that kid are pushing his so called transgender Issue. They should be arrested for child abuse.
 
CarolfromTX said:
There was a mother of a kid in my school who wanted her son to be a girl, and a baby girl at that. She would come to school at lunch time and cut up his meat for him. He was in 4th grade!! She let his hair get long, and painted his nails. I have no doubt the parents of that kid are pushing his so called transgender Issue. They should be arrested for child abuse.
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Tbf, this sounds like a very different issue.
 
George1959 said:
Right. They are different things. Your language has the terms 's.x' (biological) and 'gend.r'(social). In my language there is only one word 'Geschlecht' with the biological meaning, i.e. male or female. The social meaning, i.e. what one thinks of oneself is not encompassed. For this reason we have lots of confusion. Nevertheless the term 'transgender'is used for a couple of years too.
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Without ever wanting to upset anyone, whatever happened to the term "transvestite"?
 

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