Four-year-old boy joins school as a girl

Debrah N. said:
Gender Dysphoria: A Review Investigating the Relationship Between Genetic Influences and Brain Development
Well according to the National Library of Medicine, the perception that gender identity is only, all about chromosomes or how our bodies are formed, isn't actually the whole story and the brain is definitely involved in how we perceive ourselves.

'It is known that the brains of males and females are different. Evidence further suggests that brain anatomy and neuronal signaling pathways are more closely aligned with a person’s perceived gender identity. Individuals who present with discordant gonadal and brain developments experience psychological challenges that may contribute to a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with their biological sex. These point to a possible biological and genetic underpinning of GD as stemming from a discordance between gonadal and brain development........'

'.....Exploring the biochemical development of the *******ia highlights the differences between males and females, notably how testosterone elicits the pathways of male development in an embryo. When research has been conducted in people with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition where the testosterone receptor is mutated and faulty, and thus cannot function, gender dysphoria is observed as the body is genetically male but anatomically female.

It is known that the structure of male and female brains differs; it is found that people with gender dysphoria have a brain structure more comparable to the gender to which they identify. The review of the literature suggests that there is a disparity between the brains of those who identify differently to their assigned gender at birth, highlighting a multifactorial underpinning of the gender identity. Further research is required to shed light on the molecular mechanism of this, ........'

I think we just have to accept that we each perceive ourselves based on a complicated mix of what our hormones and our brains tell us, in spite of how we look. And while there may be 'best' processes of development that result in strictly male/female brain and body combinations that are perfect for continuation of the species, our bodies are such complicated systems that it's completely 'normal' that sometimes things don't work out as we would expect.

Being transgender isn't a case of 'giving the world and world religions the finger and I just want to rebel against societies norms', but a quest for feeling 'right' about themselves.
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So let me ask you. What % of children are affected by this, and what % of children today are deemed born in the wrong body? Has this gone up or down, and are the figures due to a wider acceptance, or an increase in those affected?

I mean, I hear what you're saying, but what % of people have this measured? Or do we simply accept as assertion?
 

Debrah N. said:
What do you mean, misdirection? And does the take into account the differences in brain structure that researchers have discovered in transgender brains?
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I'm not convinced that we are checking transgender brains on a case by case basis. If you're looking for differences between male and female, there are many more obvious ways to check.
 

I will never ever understand this new identity thing. I will never ever understand why anything anyone decides to say or do even as a young 3 year old child becomes active and alive to push society in agreeing and accepting such. Where is the hard line drawn. Anyone can get up one day and decide they want to be a particular animal (although there was a man that choose to be a dog for the rest of his life and acted as one 🙄) and I can almost guarantee that they will get an undisclosed amount of supporters.
 
Fit4Life said:
I will never ever understand this new identity thing. I will never ever understand why anything anyone decides to say or do even as a young 3 year old child becomes active and alive to push society in agreeing and accepting such. Where is the hard line drawn. Anyone can get up one day and decide they want to be a particular animal (although there was a man that choose to be a dog for the rest of his life and acted as one 🙄) and I can almost guarantee that they will get an undisclosed amount of supporters.
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My issue, which I freely admit to, is this: I accept whatever someone else wants to be deemed as. Dog, woman, cat, man, it's nothing to do with me. You do you.

OTOH, expecting me to simply accept it, and to comply with their pronouns and choices is not acceptable. They do them, I do me. How am I going to call an obvious guy in a dress, as "she"? I see a man. If I can't tell, I'll be using "she".

I'm a lefty, the kind the right wing sneer at. But the stereotype of a lefty who supports this stuff is nonsense. I don't think this is right or wrong, people should live their life as they please. But that doesn't change my own view.

As for children - as I say, it's a learning opportunity. I think we need to tread carefully. Evaluating the child is less important than evaluating the parent.
 
BTW, the child is 7 or 8 years old now.

”The unnamed primary school in the south east of England allowed the pupil to join as a girl three years ago. The child, who joined as a four-year-old, is now in Year 3.”
 
VaughanJB said:
My issue, which I freely admit to, is this: I accept whatever someone else wants to be deemed as. Dog, woman, cat, man, it's nothing to do with me. You do you.

OTOH, expecting me to simply accept it, and to comply with their pronouns and choices is not acceptable. They do them, I do me. How am I going to call an obvious guy in a dress, as "she"? I see a man. If I can't tell, I'll be using "she".

I'm a lefty, the kind the right wing sneer at. But the stereotype of a lefty who supports this stuff is nonsense. I don't think this is right or wrong, people should live their life as they please. But that doesn't change my own view.

As for children - as I say, it's a learning opportunity. I think we need to tread carefully. Evaluating the child is less important than evaluating the parent.
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In regards to forcing people to comply to society's norm such as all these pronouns is laughable by me and many people living outside of the US. They try to ask me the "why" and I just laugh as I really do not know or can find the words. In regards to a child coming home at 3, 4 & 5 and say to their parent/s they don't want to be a certain gender anymore because... is beyond me.

Then again, I spend a lot of time travelling and this is not the norm in other countries nor is it the norm for my ears. But...more power to the parents who will act and comply with these children in an effort "to make them happy". Let's see how this will work out at the end for all involved. I have also read a study with gender changes-- where many have stated that they regretted the operation.
 
Fit4Life said:
In regards to forcing people to comply to society's norm such as all these pronouns is laughable by me and many people living outside of the US. They try to ask me the "why" and I just laugh as I really do not know or can find the words. In regards to a child coming home at 3, 4 & 5 and say to their parent/s they don't want to be a certain gender anymore because... is beyond me.

Then again, I spend a lot of time travelling and this is not the norm in other countries nor is it the norm for my ears. But...more power to the parents who will act and comply with these children in an effort "to make them happy". Let's see how this will work out at the end for all involved. I have also read a study with gender changes-- where many have stated that they regretted the operation.
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My days of extensive travel are over. In the past, I traveled a lot. But this issue is a societal issue, not a national one, imo. The current campaign has, in my view, far too much focus on what *I* should think. I don't call guys women. We're born one thing or the other (other than an infinitesimal number of people). It just is.
 
VaughanJB said:
My days of extensive travel are over. In the past, I traveled a lot. But this issue is a societal issue, not a national one, imo. The current campaign has, in my view, far too much focus on what *I* should think. I don't call guys women. We're born one thing or the other (other than an infinitesimal number of people). It just is.
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So true with society's expectations! I've been travelling since 21, and I love it. I'm out a few times in the year and it is a glorious thing to meet people and learn other culture and languages. It is also very humbling to me.
 
Jules said:
BTW, the child is 7 or 8 years old now.

”The unnamed primary school in the south east of England allowed the pupil to join as a girl three years ago. The child, who joined as a four-year-old, is now in Year 3.”
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I just hope the child in question got the the help they needed.
 
VaughanJB said:
Tbf, this sounds like a very different issue.
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Well, it is and it isn’t. I don’t think a four-year-old even thinks about the concept of gender unless pushed by the parents. I truly doubt this kid woke up one day and started calling himself a girl. This is the parents being all trendy and woke. It’s child abuse.
 
CarolfromTX said:
Well, it is and it isn’t. I don’t think a four-year-old even thinks about the concept of gender unless pushed by the parents. I truly doubt this kid woke up one day and started calling himself a girl. This is the parents being all trendy and woke. It’s child abuse.
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Or the kids are hearing it at school. I've read about that.
 
VaughanJB said:
Without ever wanting to upset anyone, whatever happened to the term "transvestite"?
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This is quite interesting. The term "transvestite" is used as usual for a man who wears female apparel (I would add to appear as a woman). But the term "transse.ual" has vanished since 2000. Meanwhile you read even in Germany only the term "transgender".
 
VaughanJB said:
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This is a picture of Teddy Roosevelt. Crazy Victorians.
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Of the young Ernest Hemingway exists a similar picture of him as a girl.

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Hemingway at 18 months.
 
George1959 said:
Of the young Ernest Hemingway exists a similar picture of him as a girl.

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Hemingway at 18 months.
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It's a scandal. :D

Times change, and attitudes change. Limits are tested, and usually moved forward a step or two. By changing the terms, we erase the history.
 
George1959 said:
“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” (George Orwell, 1984)
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Which assumes a sense of corruption, rather than clarification. Who makes that decision?

Why do you think presented sexuality mattered less to the Victorians?
 
I have never seen a forum like this. You can actually engage in a controversial subject without insults and calmly discuss your thoughts. I have found a home I believe. I taught school in Fla for 40 yrs. From 78 to 2018. Elementary. I usually could tell when a kid was gay by 3/4th grade. But no always. Later in my career I had kids that didnt fit the norm of girl or boy.

I had a girl in 3rd grade insist she was a boy. She looked like a boy. Her older sister said it made their grandmother angry. They lived with her. I had another girl that looked like a boy and she turned out to be gay. I had a twin who was gay. She was the dominant one to who her brother twin. I guess what I think is people are wired differently and need compassion not judgement or laws to diminish them.

I hear that teachers can groom kids to be a certain way. I never saw it happen. Teachers were so busy with so much to do, record and teach the last thing would be trying to influence a kid to be something else. I loved working with kids and learned more from them Im sure than they did from me. Many just needed you to listen to them. Maybe a hug sometimes. I swear some had reptiles for parents.
 
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