How about Biden?

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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He is being encouraged to run as a solid alternative to Hillary or Bernie. Although he misspeaks on occasion he doesn't come with the baggage of Hillary or the way out thinking of Bernie. I would seriously consider Biden ans so should you...
 

He's 72 now which would mean he'd be 73 at the time of the election and 81 if he manages 2 terms. Too old.
Hilary Clinton at 67 is also pushing it but women do live longer.

Margaret Thatcher was only 54 when she became PM.
Ronald Reagan was 70 when he was elected President and probably suffered from early dementia before he left office.

Don't you have any younger candidates? Someone in their fifties?
 
Well, the Republicans have some who aren't eligible for senior benefits yet, but those on this forum aren't likely to vote for them...:eek:nthego:
 

Ralphy1 said:
He is being encouraged to run as a solid alternative to Hillary or Bernie. Although he misspeaks on occasion he doesn't come with the baggage of Hillary or the way out thinking of Bernie. I would seriously consider Biden ans so should you...
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Please...... an example of Bernie Sander's "way out" thinking..??? Most people that actually listen to him seem to agree with everything he says... hence the 10,000+ crowds wherever he speaks.. Nothing "way out" about what he says.

As for Biden... Love him... but don't believe he has a chance in hell.
 
QuickSilver said:
Please...... an example of Bernie Sander's "way out" thinking..??? Most people that actually listen to him seem to agree with everything he says... hence the 10,000+ crowds wherever he speaks.. Nothing "way out" about what he says.

As for Biden... Love him... but don't believe he has a chance in hell.
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I agree, QS. So far, I've liked what I've hears from Bernie Sanders, and I've always liked Joe Biden.
 
The government is broke and he wants to pay for every kid's college education? That is just one example of way out, way, way out...:D
 
Ralphy1 said:
The government is broke and he wants to pay for every kid's college education? That is just one example of way out, way, way out...:D
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The Government is NOT broke... you are drinking far to much of the kool aid.. Are you saying that a country like the USA cannot do what every other 1st world country does?

If we stop handing out Corporate welfare, tweak the cap on FICA, and stop the extreme upward flow of wealth, allowing a strong middle class, which all make sense... things would be even better.
 
"Having baggage" means that the Republicans take you seriously enough to elicit their conspiracy and misinformation apparatus. Benghazi is baggage. White Water is baggage, god know Obamacare is laden with baggage. Are we going to allow the Republican baseless smears to prejudiced our thinking. Hiillary is an intelligent, accomplished woman with more political and governmental experience than anyone in the race. I like Joe Bidden and I like Bernie Sanders, but I'm supporting Hillary as the most electable candidate and I'm convinced that although she'll be reviled by the GOP, she'll be a great president.
 
Josiah said:
"Having baggage" means that the Republicans take you seriously enough to elicit their conspiracy and misinformation apparatus. Benghazi is baggage. White Water is baggage, god know Obamacare is laden with baggage. Are we going to allow the Republican baseless smears to prejudiced our thinking. Hiillary is an intelligent, accomplished woman with more political and governmental experience than anyone in the race. I like Joe Bidden and I like Bernie Sanders, but I'm supporting Hillary as the most electable candidate and I'm convinced that although she'll be reviled by the GOP, she'll be a great president.
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It's just a Primary Josiah... Of course I will support whoever wins the Democratic slot.. But.. it would be nice if Hillary sounded a little more like Bernie.. and I'm going to have to think long and hard which one will get my primary vote.
 
QuickSilver said:
It's just a Primary Josiah... Of course I will support whoever wins the Democratic slot.. But.. it would be nice if Hillary sounded a little more like Bernie.. and I'm going to have to think long and hard which one will get my primary vote.
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Hillary has a huge corporate backing.. she has, I think, raised 45 million in the last quarter.. It worries me.. what will she have to compromise on to pay that back? On the other hand.. Sanders money is all coming from grass roots and small doners. He will have to work for the average American..
 
Hillary is faking way to the left until after the primary and then will run to the center...
 
On your first point QS I think Hillary has been voicing most of the same themes that Bernie articulates so well. Hillary is however, being more political than Bernie because her goal is to get elected in an evenly divided red and blue country whereas Bernie's goal is get the Warren/Sanders message out. It would be nice to think the Warren/Sanders message would win the election but I don't think that will happen in 2016. On your second point, I don't like the role big money plays any more than you do, but you really have to play the game of getting elected president by the rules that currently are in force.
 
Josiah said:
On your first point QS I think Hillary has been voicing most of the same themes that Bernie articulates so well. Hillary is however, being more political than Bernie because her goal is to get elected in an evenly divided red and blue country whereas Bernie's goal is get the Warren/Sanders message out. It would be nice to think the Warren/Sanders message would win the election but I don't think that will happen in 2016. On your second point, I don't like the role big money plays any more than you do, but you really have to play the game of getting elected president by the rules that currently are in force.
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This is what is so unfortunate. Our Corporatist Supreme Court have rigged our democracy to ensure that even a Democrat has to kow-tow to big money to get elected. This of course will mean favors to be paid at a later date. Someone like Sanders would have no such debt to pay, but of course without big money he really has no chance.

Speaking of favors... Do you not think that Obama's big push for the TPP and fast track is NOT a huge repayment to Corporations for what ever support they gave him.. Why else would he be selling average Americans down the river with this trade fiasco? We'll see much more of that with Hillary.
 
As a life long Democrat, I have had the experience of enthusiastically supporting a candidate who epitomized all my ideological longings only to see that candidate get trounced in the general election. The politics in this country does not reward ideological purity. Our political system is premised on the two party system and in order for that to work the parties have to be encompassing enough to appeal to a wide variety of views. If you penalize a candidate for trying to appeal to a wide range of views you're just helping the other party win. It's not pretty, but it's the way it is.....and frankly those countries with multiple parties aren't pretty either.
 
QuickSilver;293652 Speaking of favors... Do you not think that Obama's big push for the TPP and fast track is NOT a huge repayment to Corporations for what ever support they gave him.. Why else would he be selling average Americans down the river with this trade fiasco? We'll see much more of that with Hillary.[/QUOTE said:
I'm still undecided about that. I'm waiting to read some more definitive blogs which explore the motives that were in play. I just don't see why Obama feels he owes any political debts to corporate America.
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Josiah said:
I'm still undecided about that. I'm waiting to read some more definitive blogs which explore the motives that were in play. I just don't see why Obama feels he owes any political debts to corporate America.
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From what I have read.. Big Pharma is set to benefit most from the TPP.. Didn't Big Pharma help with Obamacare?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-pharmas-obamacare-reward-1423180690

In 2009 Big Pharma agreed to contribute $80 billion towards ObamaCare, largely by expanding the Medicaid discount to 23.1% from 15.1%. They also agreed to mark down prescriptions for seniors by 50% above a certain level.
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QuickSilver said:
From what I have read.. Big Pharma is set to benefit most from the TPP.. Didn't Big Pharma help with Obamacare?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-pharmas-obamacare-reward-1423180690
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You may be right, although it seems to me that Big Pharma got its payback in the wording of the ACA. OK forgetting TPP for the moment, Obama clearly had to cut a deal and a pretty ugly deal with Big Pharma in order to get ACA passed. Do you applaud or boo this sort of tactic, given that unless he did it the ACA would never have seen the light of day? Much as I regret it, I don't see Obamacare morphing into Single Payer anytime soon.
 
Josiah said:
You may be right, although it seems to me that Big Pharma got its payback in the wording of the ACA. OK forgetting TPP for the moment, Obama clearly had to cut a deal and a pretty ugly deal with Big Pharma in order to get ACA passed. Do you applaud or boo this sort of tactic, given that unless he did it the ACA would never have seen the light of day? Much as I regret it, I don't see Obamacare morphing into Single Payer anytime soon.
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There is a lot about Obama that has disappointed me.. His taking single payer off the table without so much as a fight is but one of them. I suppose that we had to swallow other bitter pills to at least get SOME type of healthcare passed... however, the TPP seems to be different. Like you, I don't want to believe that Obama is doing this without regard for Americans and American Jobs.. but the history of past huge trade deals seems to point that way.
 
Not broke? Don't believe everything you hear coming from the Feds. I refer to you an article written for Forbes a couple of years ago by Lawrence Kotlikoff who shows why we are and I think things are worse today with the announcement that the Army will be cut by 50 thousand to save money...
 
Ralphy1 said:
Not broke? Don't believe everything you hear coming from the Feds. I refer to you an article written for Forbes a couple of years ago by Lawrence Kotlikoff who shows why we are and I think things are worse today with the announcement that the Army will be cut by 50 thousand to save money...
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For every "expert" you can find... they are "experts" who say the opposite. That is a favorite Right Wing LIE used to justify cuts to SS, Medicare and other safety nets. You fell for it... You aren't the only one sadly

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/31/america-is-not-broke/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/america-is-not-broke/2011/03/10/ABOiNBV_blog.html

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/02/06/america-is-not-broke-we-are-being-lied-to/
 
I'm glad that I won't have to suffer thru what may be our financial future down the road. Do you really think that the outlook is that rosy with the numbers on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid expanding as the Boomers look for their entitlements?
 
QuickSilver said:
There is a lot about Obama that has disappointed me.. His taking single payer off the table without so much as a fight is but one of them. I suppose that we had to swallow other bitter pills to at least get SOME type of healthcare passed... however, the TPP seems to be different. Like you, I don't want to believe that Obama is doing this without regard for Americans and American Jobs.. but the history of past huge trade deals seems to point that way.
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As you know I completely agree with you about the desirability of Single Payer, but I'm not sure I'm willing to fault Obama for not using SP as a starting point. I'm sure that question will be discussed in the many books written by people involved in the ACA strategy and I want to learn their opinions. Bear in mind that I view the passage of ACA as nothing short of a miracle and so I'm reluctant to second guess the people who got it done.
 

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