Four Dead In Georgia High Schoo Shooting

[hollydolly]

I just saw them talk about this on Court TV, and a lawyer said that the father will likely face worse criminal charges than the Michigan killers parents...

 

[WhatInThe]

The suspected killer's mother is a career criminal including drug charges involving meth. Wonderful...

School shooting suspect’s mother has criminal record going back 17 years

So the father in his mind compensating with gun gifts for a mother frequently not in the picture?

Then the 14 year old is dying his hair. Is he in a punk rock band? In high school fashion choices should be kept simple across the board not just for troubled teens.

So a kid is cutting class, threatening to shoot up school, dying hair and has career criminal mother-this is why they have school shrinks, counselors, administrators etc. The dad screwed up I get that but isn't this the exact type of student all those non academic personnel in a school are supposed to spot or help?

Then apparently his aunt has been yelling he has been crying for help yet upset he's being tried as an adult. If the aunt was worried did she call the school, cps, police etc. The killer was able to manufacture himself because apparently those in the life preparation factory didn't know how to make a good functioning human being.

 

[Nathan]

Good point. I tried out an AR rifle that a relative and considered using it for deer hunting had and found it to be inaccurate for long shots with a caliber a bit too small for large game but too big for small game.

The AR type assault rifles are designed for combat, "pray and spray" high volume of rounds against hostile forces.

 

[Radrook]

There have always been, and probably always will be, disturbed individuals. Some are dangerously disturbed even in childhood. There are probably multiple reasons, and no simple answer.

But the guns are another problem. What if there were no such things as guns? There would probably be those disturbed people out there, some of them committing murder with other weapons. But not as easily, and not with so many multiple deaths and injuries as the guns make possible (unless people are carrying bombs around in their pockets).

The tragedy is, even if we stopped manufacturing and selling guns right this second, we'd still have the same problem, due to the number of guns already out there. There are more guns than people in this country. Those who want to use them would be able to acquire them, plus probably their ammunition for centuries to come..

We have done this to ourselves, Or maybe, more accurately, part of our population has done this to all of us.

Of course there have always been disturbing individuals in all societies. However, in the USA, it is the numbers and the frequencies of such extreme social behaviors, such mass shootings in schools, that are disturbing.

The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined​

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html

 

[Teacher Terry]

I graduated high school in 1972 and we had 3 grades with a total of 2300 students and it was overcrowded. It’s not a excuse.

 

[rgp]

I saw this statistic, and you have to be F***ING kidding!!!!!!!
Wednesday’s shooting is the deadliest of the 45 school shootings so far this calendar year, according to a CNN analysis.

And, how in the hell is a 14 year old kid walking around with an AR15????

Just heard on radio news, that the father bought it for him as a gift last Christmas !

Every 13-14 year old kid needs an AR for Christmas ...... don't they ? (shaking my head)

 

[Della]

Then apparently his aunt has been yelling he has been crying for help yet upset he's being tried as an adult. If the aunt was worried did she call the school, cps, police etc. The killer was able to manufacture himself because apparently those in the life preparation factory didn't know how to make a good functioning human being.

You're blaming his aunt? What do you expect her to have done? Called the police and said, 'I'm worried about my nephew, he dyed his hair?"

How does her saying that no one helped her nephew, conflict with her wanting him tried as a juvenile?

The whole thing is very sad, Colt (they even named him after a gun) had a mother he must have been ashamed of and a father so stupid he bought an assault rifle for a 14 year-old.

I really hope the father is going to go to prison. Four people are dead and he supplied the means.

 

[Della]

I graduated high school in 1972 and we had 3 grades with a total of 2300 students and it was overcrowded. It’s not a excuse.

I never said it was an excuse. I think excess time on the internet, violent movies, violent video games, overcrowded schools, bad parents, accessible guns, poor nutrition, mother's use of crack while pregnant, abuse, and a dozen other things just might be contributing factors for some children not growing up well adjusted.

Are we not allowed to consider any of these things without someone popping up and saying, "My mother was a crack addict, and I'm perfect." Every child is different, what barely bothers one might be devastating to another.

 

[hollydolly]

You're blaming his aunt? What do you expect her to have done? Called the police and said, 'I'm worried about my nephew, he dyed his hair?"

How does her saying that no one helped her nephew, conflict with her wanting him tried as a juvenile?

The whole thing is very sad, Colt (they even named him after a gun) had a mother he must have been ashamed of and a father so stupid he bought an assault rifle for a 14 year-old.

I really hope the father is going to go to prison. Four people are dead and he supplied the means.

According to the media....the father has been charged with murder... along with various other charges including child abuse and endangerment

 

[old medic]

Good point. I tried out an AR rifle that a relative had and considered using it for deer hunting. I found it to be inaccurate for long shots with a caliber a bit too small for large game but too big for small game.

3 of my AR platforms are built specifically for hunting, Deer and Coyote, and work fine.

 

[WhatInThe]

You're blaming his aunt? What do you expect her to have done? Called the police and said, 'I'm worried about my nephew, he dyed his hair?"

How does her saying that no one helped her nephew, conflict with her wanting him tried as a juvenile?

The whole thing is very sad, Colt (they even named him after a gun) had a mother he must have been ashamed of and a father so stupid he bought an assault rifle for a 14 year-old.

I really hope the father is going to go to prison. Four people are dead and he supplied the means.

Not blaming the aunt but apparently she had enough knowledge to say or do something. She didn't help herself by coming out shortly after the killer's arrest complaining he would be charged as an adult.

There's a lot of people who didn't help the killer. But the killer killed. He's the one who decided to act on his urges, emotions, plans etc. I knew by age 13 murder was bad and a crime. The fact that he threatened and phoned in a warning shows he knew what he was doing was wrong/bad.

They also say suspect was fascinated by the Parkland Florida school shooting and the mass murderer Cruz. It's one thing to take an interest in true crime but to be enthralled by an atrocity basically committed a peer is another red flag. That went beyond morbid curiosity.

 

[Pepper]

Oh, sorry, @mrstime; I just posted about this—I had not seen your original post.

Good news should be told often!

 

[Della]

Not blaming the aunt but apparently she had enough knowledge to say or do something. She didn't help herself by coming out shortly after the killer's arrest complaining he would be charged as an adult.

There's a lot of people who didn't help the killer. But the killer killed. He's the one who decided to act on his urges, emotions, plans etc. I knew by age 13 murder was bad and a crime. The fact that he threatened and phoned in a warning shows he knew what he was doing was wrong/bad.

They also say suspect was fascinated by the Parkland Florida school shooting and the mass murderer Cruz. It's one thing to take an interest in true crime but to be enthralled by an atrocity basically committed a peer is another red flag. That went beyond morbid curiosity.

What is that 'something" she should have said or done? I hear that so often after something like this and no one really says what. For all we know she talked to his father about it a lot, but adults around a child only have so much control and very little legal power to do much of anything.

Like the aunt, I, "came out shortly after the killer's arrest complaining he would be charged as an adult." You know why? Because he's not an adult.

All you said about being aware that killing was wrong are reasons he won't be using the insanity defense. That has nothing to do with being a legal adult or not.

 

[WhatInThe]

What is that 'something" she should have said or done? I hear that so often after something like this and no one really says what. For all we know she talked to his father about it a lot, but adults around a child only have so much control and very little legal power to do much of anything.

She could've called child protective services, his school and/or if she knew about the Parkland fascination, FBI report or he was given a gun a call to local police.

 

[911]

Apparently the father gave the kid the gun for Christmas! Why did he give a 14 year old a gun that is only meant for killing people, not a hunting rifle?

I’m sorry, but I don’t know Georgia laws, but this would be illegal in Pennsylvania.

I just checked with the gov’t site below and in Georgia, it is legal for a parent to give a child a gun (rifle or pistol) as a gift. This law is insane.

Georgia Gun Law

What happens many times in PA is that parents buy the gun and then give it to their underage son. According to current law, this is not legal, but it doesn’t stop them from doing it. If a 14 y/o wants to go hunting with dad, that’s perfectly OK.

PA Gun Laws.

 

[fuzzybuddy]

Which jackass buys his 14 year old kid an AR assault gun for a Xmas present, after cops are on his doorstep, questioning about the kid wanting to do a school shooting?


I so amazed that some think anybody can walk around with lethal weapons, and people are never going to do something stupid with them.

 

[hollydolly]

The mother age 43...has a record across four Georgia counties and includes drug use, domestic violence and property damage, as well as civil claims of fraud

The father... 54-year-old Colin Gray, is accused of buying his 14-year-old son Colt the AR-15-style rifle the boy used and was arrested Thursday on several counts of second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children

The killer..as he appeared in court today...

The ... innocent victims...

2 teachers & 2 Pupils...

Colin Gray appeared in court, and started shaking and rocking in his seat when the Judge told him he could face a life sentence..

click on this link to scroll down to see the video..
Georgia school shooter Colt Gray and his father Colin in court

 

[Pinky]

The mother age 43...has a record across four Georgia counties and includes drug use, domestic violence and property damage, as well as civil claims of fraud

The father... 54-year-old Colin Gray, is accused of buying his 14-year-old son Colt the AR-15-style rifle the boy used and was arrested Thursday on several counts of second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children

The killer..as he appeared in court today...

The ... innocent victims...

2 teachers & 2 Pupils...

Colin Gray appeared in court, and started shaking and rocking in his seat when the Judge told him he could face a life sentence..

click on this link to scroll down to see the video..
Georgia school shooter Colt Gray and his father Colin in court

@hollydolly
I can't read it, as it has an adblocker

 

[hollydolly]

@hollydolly
I can't read it, as it has an adblocker

on the Url where ''senior forums is'' on your computer..look along to the right , ..can you see what looks like a page next to a star ?

if you can.. click on the Daily mail link..then click on the ''page symbol ''.. you'll be able to read the story by bypassing the paywall but you won't get the pictures

 

[KSav]

Which jackass buys his 14 year old kid an AR assault gun for a Xmas present, after cops are on his doorstep, questioning about the kid wanting to do a school shooting?

That was my reaction exactly. Surely nobody is that stupid? Or perhaps he just didn't care.

 

[hollydolly]

That was my reaction exactly. Surely nobody is that stupid? Or perhaps he just didn't care.

perhaps if the USA makes it illegal for any parent to buy or permit any child under 21 who lives in their home... to be in possession of any type of gun.. making it clear that every parent will face the same charges as their Child if it's used in a crime...Then maybe Americans will see a vast reduction in gun crime committed by youths...

 

[KSav]

perhaps if the USA makes it illegal for any parent to buy or permit any child under 21 who lives in their home... to be in possession of any type of gun.. making it clear that every parent will face the same charges as their Child if it's used in a crime...Then maybe Americans will see a vast reduction in gun crime committed by youths...

That would certainly help! Something's gotta be done.

 

[hollydolly]

That would certainly help! Something's gotta be done.

For sure ! It'd been said for the longest time.. ''lessons will be learned, something has to be done''..but lessons haven't been learned , nor has anything been done (that includes the UK)... but this now has got out of hand completely IMO.. and something really HAS to be done.. and I feel a Law such as the one I suggested would be good start!

 

[fuzzybuddy]

That would certainly help! Something's gotta be done.

I agree. But once this shooting is off the news cycle in about a week, it will be just a matter of time till the next "worst school shooting this year".

 

[hollydolly]

I agree. But once this shooting is off the news cycle in about a week, it will be just a matter of time till the next "worst school shooting this year".

It's a great forward step, taking action against the parents.. but clearly there is always going to be parents who either don't care , or are simply not aware that this is now potentially going to happen to them, so if the USA passed a stringent law that said.. they will be facing the same or or similar punishment if a crime is committed and it's proven they knew of the gun, or had purchased the gun used .. than that would make a huge stride in the reduction of youth gun crime IMO.