LA district attorney recommends resentencing Menendez Brothers

Along with the documentary on Netflix there is a mini series of 9 episodes, it’s title is Monsters
Ive watched 4 episodes and they had not been arrested at that stage
 

I think they were 18 and 21 when convicted. Why didn’t they leave home? Why didn’t they report the abuse? If any of their relatives were aware of what was going on why didn’t they step in?

There shouldn’t have been any fear of retaliation because once they had reported the abuse and their fear of retaliation, I think they may have been placed in safe houses. I don’t understand how the laws work, but I have heard that in these types of cases, the police will place the alleged victims in safe homes.

These two boys could have beat the heck out of their dad and that would have raised a lot of questions.

Did anyone stand up for Jose?
 
The judge that made the decision to re-sentence was just interviewed on the evening news. He said one reason for his decision was the fact that the brothers did much to help other prisoners while they were being held.

I'm sorry but ...... that is no damn reason to possibly release early, two convicted murders ........ jmo
 

Though have not read anything about their crime or court issues, wondered what is the logic for doing so? Could be related to the current California controversies over letting out convicted criminals from our California state prisons since most inmates are of ethnic ancestry. Letting out the 2 Caucasian inmates might be later used as an excuse for doing the same with some of those ethnic convicts with similar murder convictions.

The state itself, has long been under budget pressures to reduce ridiculous prison costs that has led to many lower violation criminals release with convicted people killers now wanting the same. Liberal advocates against incarceration, have also used courts to purposely increase costs to levels that citizens cannot stomach. And in the case of first degree murder, have made lawyers for those on death row rich for reasons that public won't support since politicians making policy decisions are usually lawyers too. In California, inmate benefits includes medical etc benefits many working class citizens don't even have monitored by corrections officer highly paid due to unions.

Although early release criminals often are changed persons that don't repeat their mistakes and conform to society, there are also alarming numbers of others that once released will repeat their criminal orientations because the thresholds are too low with those deciding who and why more about agendas of release advocates.

As I've mentioned in the past, this person believes society should move towards unpleasant corporal punishment instead of expensive long term incarceration.
 
does alleged abuse excuse 9 shots into parents? ... shooting mom in back as she ran for her life.... ?
How long is long enough for a cold planned murder ?
perhaps the 30 some years is punishment enough?
does this send a message that if you are or can convince others you were abused it is OK to kill.... ?
Would the Trauma of telling a teacher / cop / coach etc at the time be more stressful then unload your gun into them?
 
Jeni said:
does alleged abuse excuse 9 shots into parents? ... shooting mom in back as she ran for her life.... ?
How long is long enough for a cold planned murder ?
perhaps the 30 some years is punishment enough?
does this send a message that if you are or can convince others you were abused it is OK to kill.... ?
Would the Trauma of telling a teacher / cop / coach etc at the time be more stressful then unload your gun into them?
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Does raping little boys from the age of 6 on, while methodically physically and emotionally abusing them on a continual basis, not count as a mitigating circumstance? I think unless we've been mentally beaten down like they were, we can never understand their learned helplessness.

What is learned helplessness in simple terms?

In psychology, learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try, even when opportunities for change are available.

And then they snapped after years of horrible abuse and torture.

At this point, I just read that the prosecutor is recommending parole at this point, for these men.
 
Debrah N. said:
Does raping little boys from the age of 6 on, while methodically physically and emotionally abusing them on a continual basis, not count as a mitigating circumstance? I think unless we've been mentally beaten down like they were, we can never understand their learned helplessness.

What is learned helplessness in simple terms?

In psychology, learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try, even when opportunities for change are available.

And then they snapped after years of horrible abuse and torture.

At this point, I just read that the prosecutor is recommending parole at this point, for these men.
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But we have only their word that any of it actually happened. No evidence , every photo [that i saw] showed them smiling [through various age stages] .

Even the family members , that say they believe them .... never [by their own word] witnessed anything .

What they [the boys] did was @ best revenge, we do not have laws allowing for revenge. Only self defense .

And @ this point all we have is accusation that the abuse ever happened. I'll ask again, do we really want to start arrest & prosecution on accusation alone ? I have asked before as well .... how would anyone feel if their son, husband, father, brother, or any family member , loved one, were to be judged on , perhaps prosecuted on only accusation ?
 
rgp said:
But we have only their word that any of it actually happened. No evidence , every photo [that i saw] showed them smiling [through various age stages] .

Even the family members , that say they believe them .... never [by their own word] witnessed anything .

What they [the boys] did was @ best revenge, we do not have laws allowing for revenge. Only self defense .

And @ this point all we have is accusation that the abuse ever happened. I'll ask again, do we really want to start arrest & prosecution on accusation alone ? I have asked before as well .... how would anyone feel if their son, husband, father, brother, or any family member , loved one, were to be judged on , perhaps prosecuted on only accusation ?
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But family. will also have seen what kind of people those parents were when it came to being authoritarians, harsh, secretive, etc. Not to mention that there were the mother's photos of the boys *******s. I'll bet none of us even know of a family where mom took pictures of the son's privates! And there was the sharing of information by one of the boys to a cousin and as well the statement by that musician who said he was raped by Jose Menendez. Men rarely report being raped when it didn't happen.

I'm also watching a documentary that talks about the trial and one of the lawyers involved said she couldn't find any character witnesses to speak on the parents behalf! Nobody to say one nice thing about those two people except Jose's secretary who will not have seen 'family time' the same as any of the rest of family. Not even one character witness also says a lot doesn't it?

And considering that the two brothers have apparently been model prisoners, indicates that they aren't bad people and that has to count for something in the larger story.
 
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Debrah N. said:
But family. will also have seen what kind of people those parents were when it came to being authoritarians, harsh, secretive, etc. Not to mention that there were the mother's photos of the boys *******s. I'll bet none of us even know of a family where mom took pictures of the son's privates! And there was the sharing of information by one of the boys to a cousin and as well the statement by that musician who said he was raped by Jose Menendez. Men rarely report being raped when it didn't happen.

I'm also watching a documentary that talks about the trial and one of the lawyers involved said she couldn't find any character witnesses to speak on the parents behalf! Nobody to say one nice thing about those two people except Jose's secretary who will not have seen 'family time' the same as any of the rest of family. Not even one character witness also says a lot doesn't it?

And considering that the two brothers have apparently been model prisoners, indicates that they aren't bad people and that has to count for something in the larger story.
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First I've heard about the photos mom took, OK, should she have been shot to death for that ? Were they ******* shots ? , or naked baby shots ? I know many folks that are embarrassed by their naked baby shots mom took. Model prisoner does not mean innocent/not guilty.

Many here on SF have stated that they had parents that were A-holes ........ should they have all been shot dead ?

Don't get me wrong, I don't know what went on there . And no one else does .

But our system seems to have done it's job, and our fellow citizens [those selected for jury] did their job, being privy to evidence that AFAIK the general public was not. And this jury found them guilty , and the system in place decided punishment . I say let the system we use and the decision it made stand.
 
rgp said:
Self defense ? The parents were sitting on the couch watching TV.
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When a safe opportunity (though awful/wrong) presents itself to the victim of continued horrific abuse from the perpetrator of it who holds psychological and or physical power over the victim, and the fear consumed victim knows of no other way to escape further abuse, does the victim put it into action, or instead run away, when the perpetrator can legally have them brought back? ??
 
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When a safe opportunity (though awful/wrong) presents itself to the victim of continued horrific abuse from the perpetrator of it who holds psychological and or physical power over the victim, and the fear consumed victim knows of no other way to escape further abuse, does the victim put it into action, or instead run away, when the perpetrator can legally have them brought back? ??
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The victim goes to the authorities . If the victim is really a victim.

Do you condone revenge killing ?

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"when the perpetrator can legally have them brought back? ??"
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If there was any evidence that the abuse actually took place, I seriously doubt the legal system would have let them be sent back ...... jmo
 
IF there was ANY evidence. Although there was no conclusive evidence to prove the boys were not abused, it did not matter, for they committed murder. Condone revenge murder? Hardly. There'd likely be a whole lot more murders if revenge killing was condoned. 🫤
 
rgp said:
First I've heard about the photos mom took, OK, should she have been shot to death for that ? Were they ******* shots ? , or naked baby shots ? I know many folks that are embarrassed by their naked baby shots mom took. Model prisoner does not mean innocent/not guilty.

Many here on SF have stated that they had parents that were A-holes ........ should they have all been shot dead ?

Don't get me wrong, I don't know what went on there . And no one else does .

But our system seems to have done it's job, and our fellow citizens [those selected for jury] did their job, being privy to evidence that AFAIK the general public was not. And this jury found them guilty , and the system in place decided punishment . I say let the system we use and the decision it made stand.
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Photos were shown as evidence in one of the trials and they were close up's of young boys privates. Not cute 'baby on fur rugs'pictures. Photos that child porn users would appreciate. Not normal, but very, very sick and imminently suspicious under the circumstances. As to being privy to ALL the evidence in the second trial, I believe it's been said that they didn't see much of the sexual abuse information.

And I don't think anyone here is saying the parents should have been shot dead. I'm not a fan of the death penalty ever, even when your government does it and definitely not when young people stand to lose much of their lives as a result of that kind of choice. But personally, I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a twisted perspective and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that information, is saying that they've paid the price for what they did and a prosecutor is suggesting that they should be paroled.
 
It is such a highly public affair now. Releasing them, and monitoring them, will be the procedure. The rehab pros will be handling their lives. Even so, it would be weird if one of them moved into the area here. Such a heinous crime it automatically makes you feel defensive against them. How can they ever be an anonymous citizen?
 
There is some irony that this subject has come up so close to Halloween. It would easy to make a skit or even a scary movie about what happens when the "Menendez Brothers are Released". :eek:
 
Debrah N. said:
Photos were shown as evidence in one of the trials and they were close up's of young boys privates. Not cute 'baby on fur rugs'pictures. Photos that child porn users would appreciate. Not normal, but very, very sick and imminently suspicious under the circumstances. As to being privy to ALL the evidence in the second trial, I believe it's been said that they didn't see much of the sexual abuse information.

And I don't think anyone here is saying the parents should have been shot dead. I'm not a fan of the death penalty ever, even when your government does it and definitely not when young people stand to lose much of their lives as a result of that kind of choice. But personally, I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a twisted perspective and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that information, is saying that they've paid the price for what they did and a prosecutor is suggesting that they should be paroled.
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"I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a twisted perspective and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that"

I do understand , and agree with your point on a "twisted perspective" . Maybe not realizing the difference between right & wrong ? @ that time ?

But for now .. I am going to stand by my opinion.

It was such a heinous up-close & personal crime, IMO hard to believe they didn't know they were murdering their parents.

And I still question that their reasons were "as-bad" as they recounted ??
 
rgp said:
"I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a I am recognizing that youngsters who have been tortured and abused since child hood grow up with a twisted perspective and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that and sometimes react violently as a result. And now, the system that put them in there without all that"

I do understand , and agree with your point on a "twisted perspective" . Maybe not realizing the difference between right & wrong ? @ that time ?

But for now .. I am going to stand by my opinion.

It was such a heinous up-close & personal crime, IMO hard to believe they didn't know they were murdering their parents.

And I still question that their reasons were "as-bad" as they recounted ??
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I was just watching a recap of the two trials (on Netflix) and while the first trial included all the sexual abuse witnesses, the second did not. No friends, no family, no teachers, no coaches to testify to what they saw and a refusal by the judge to allow the 'battered wife' syndrome defence because the boys weren't women.

And I never said and I don't think anyone else has said 'they didn't know they were murdering their parents'. They absolutely did but it's interesting that in the first trial, the men on the jury apparently all wanted to just go for first degree murder while women (who potentially understand what sexual abuse is like all to well as a lived experience or the fear of) were more inclined to want to convict on manslaughter charges.

One of the jurors felt that the men didn't want to admit that boy children/male teenagers could be sexually abused and lose their ability to make rational decisions.

I guess they had a hard time understanding what it was like for a six year old to have to perform oral sex on his father, or having 'tools' used on him, or showering with daddy and having to bend over even when you're crying and it hurts...... How grotesque is that kind of thinking and I think feeds the idea that the boys had, that they had nowhere to go, no way to be safe. Maybe since you have such an interest , you should watch the recap of the two trials and hear all the details of their torture. And remember that this started when they were little boys. Maybe watch the dramatization too just to round it out.
 
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Debrah N. said:
I was just watching a recap of the two trials (on Netflix) and while the first trial included all the sexual abuse witnesses, the second did not. No friends, no family, no teachers, no coaches to testify to what they saw and a refusal by the judge to allow the 'battered wife' syndrome defence because the boys weren't women.

And I never said and I don't think anyone else has said 'they didn't know they were murdering their parents'. They absolutely did but it's interesting that in the first trial, the men on the jury apparently all wanted to just go for first degree murder while women (who potentially understand what sexual abuse is like all to well as a lived experience or the fear of) were more inclined to want to convict on manslaughter charges.

One of the jurors felt that the men didn't want to admit that boy children/male teenagers could be sexually abused and lose their ability to make rational decisions.

I guess they had a hard time understanding what it was like for a six year old to have to perform oral sex on his father, or having 'tools' used on him, or showering with daddy and having to bend over even when you're crying and it hurts...... How grotesque is that kind of thinking and I think feeds the idea that the boys had, that they had nowhere to go, no way to be safe. Maybe since you have such an interest , you should watch the recap of the two trials and hear all the details of their torture. And remember that this started when they were little boys. Maybe watch the dramatization too just to round it out.
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I just recently dropped netflix due to their constantly rising cost.

It rose to $24.00 p/month .... I said nope.
 
rgp said:
Is there any evidence at all that this abuse [by the father] actually took place ? Any evidence of the assault on the third accuser ? Or is this yet another [extreme] case of being tried [the father] by accusation alone ?

When they went on this spending spree, how did they access the fathers money ? Was it all done in cash ? Or did they have access by various means , all along ?

I'm just not so quick to forgive these two guys.
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l'm not going by my opinion but by those who know them and the case way better than l do.
 
oldman said:
I think they were 18 and 21 when convicted. Why didn’t they leave home? Why didn’t they report the abuse? If any of their relatives were aware of what was going on why didn’t they step in?

There shouldn’t have been any fear of retaliation because once they had reported the abuse and their fear of retaliation, I think they may have been placed in safe houses. I don’t understand how the laws work, but I have heard that in these types of cases, the police will place the alleged victims in safe homes.

These two boys could have beat the heck out of their dad and that would have raised a lot of questions.

Did anyone stand up for Jose?
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A cousin of the brothers testified in court that he had been told about the sexual abuse when it was happening.
 
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Kadee said:
Along with the documentary on Netflix there is a mini series of 9 episodes, it’s title is Monsters
Ive watched 4 episodes and they had not been arrested at that stage
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I watched that one first and based on it, was uncertain about the whole thing, their defence and the presented outcome. But after listening to the documentary that went over the trials that took place, I kind of changed my mind about them and what they did. And for anyone who wants to accuse me of condoning murder, I most certainly don't, but I can understand better how the whole situation developed and how they could finally snap and how the last trial wasn't fair. Even how it was shocking to hear that men generally speaking, didn't think boys/teens could be sexually abused at that time and so didn't want to countenance any suggestion of 'understanding'.
 
Olivia said:
A cousin of the brothers testified in court that he had been told about the sexual abuse when it was happening.
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And one female cousin has also said that Lyle told her when he was about 8 and she was sleeping over, that his father was touching him 'down there' and she went and told her aunt, who simply dragged the poor kid back upstairs to wait for his father.
 
Olivia said:
A cousin of the brothers testified in court that he had been told about the sexual abuse when it was happening.
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That is hearsay , at best . If I am expected to forgive them, understand their actions/crime ? I need something of evidence .
 
Olivia said:
l'm not going by my opinion but by those who know them and the case way better than l do.
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OK, I understand that , but what do they know ? What evidence/proof do they have ?

Just as strongly as you and a few others feel about their so-called horrific life, I feel that they have been up to no good ,all along.

In any case, it is just so easy too accuse anyone of anything. Particularly if financial gain is at the end of the rainbow .

For now, I'll continue to stand by my opinion , and hope they never harm anyone else.
 

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